Seeing Trump get dragged out of the White House in chains.

can rip off the campaign funds...nothing concrete, but just that he is in the worst shape of anyone I know for his age and he's a pig, doesn't take care of himself, and throw temper fits all of the time. He's going to stroke out or something else, being in such poor shape.

Your reason is one of them. I don't think he likes the criticism, and although he is a "world leader" I do not think he likes being a "world leader." He wants to go off and play golf everyday and not be followed around all the time. Yes, he could stoke out any time. If he does, he will not be able to run again.

He can be indicted and arrested after January 20, 2021. He may run just to try and avoid that

If he gets away with his crimes the next Republican president will just push the envelope further. Nixon, Reagan, Bush I, and Bush Ii each one worst than the one before because they knew there were no real consequences.

I remember people here saying he would never serve if elected last time, or he would resign in six months, or in a year...yada yada yada.

That asshat is a narcissist. He will run again.

again, sans something really bizarre having happened. Yes, even with this SCOTUS...

Once EC meets and certifies, he no longer has that kind of power except in the ceremonial sense pending the inauguration.

All of his supporters will be throwing temper tantrums in their mother’s basements.

I don't think that would be a good image for improving his brand.

his "brand" will be destroyed. Yes, you got it. !!!!

In the House of Representatives or the Supreme Court. It does not have to be a big public event, just one tv camera broadcast out to the world.

attempt to pardon himself using language similar to Nixon, only for himself. Pretty sure he'd lose that case before SCOTUS, but I think he'd try it.

No one would have standing to challenge the self-pardon, it could not be litigated until he attempted to use it to dismiss a federal charge.

I’m also rather skeptical SCOTUS would strike it down, the text is clear that the only limit to the pardon power are cases of impeachment.

for crimes "he may have committed"

Just pointing out that no one would have standing to challenge the validity of the pardon until and unless DOJ decides to ignore it and charges him anyway.

He could self-pardon himself on the way out the door, but it could then take years to actually see any fights over it in court, if ever.

As it is tradition when the baton is handed over. He will refuse to show up. Nor would Melania for that matter because that would signal to the world that TRUMP IS A LOSER!.

Like I really care.

under all the beds and chairs he sits in.

until it could be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt the entire building was bug free.

I would not put it past turdface to have allowed it to happen. Hell, Putin's cronies were in the Oval Office, alone with turdface, for an extended period of time. Recording devices can be EXTREMELY small. And Putin surely has all the latest in undetectable bugs.

It could actually be the people's house, only used for official social functions, and another more secure place built for Joe, Pete, Elizabeth, Kamala, Cory, Bernie (or whomever).

And I am NOT being sarcastic.

so much is going to happen and change-- we can only imagine - that there is no guarantee 'the military,' secret service, or whomever, actually WILL 'carry him out.'

Study history....

Is the real issue. In the nine or ten weeks of the transition, Trump and his mob can carry out all sorts of mischief.

pardoned by rump by the hundreds...and writing executive orders right and left to enact his pet peeves...

difficult yet rewarding, I'll be damned if I let that moron occupy any space between my ears. Back to the Hunter S. Thompson article in an old Rolling Stone edition.

where if he sees that he can not win, no way, now how, even with putins help, he would come up with some reason next year to step down. There is no way he want's to be seen as a loser.

If he does hang in and still loses, he will claim the election was rigged so he would lose, he will blame the Democrats, and he will continue to rant and rave about every day on twitter, until he is either put in jail for all the crimes he committed, or kicks the bucket.

months to think about it. The writing will be on the wall and after running his mouth he will be out.

n/t

That would be too dangerous to his own perfect orange skin. Instead he will insist he was robbed or the Republican party betrayed him while simultaneously saying he made America great and his work is done. Then he'll steal the White House silver, break all the dishes and go out for a round of golf.

Everyone needs to stop tip-toeing areound trump like he's untouchable. He's not. And Congress should enforce non-compliance to their subpoena's with jailings. This guy and the rest of these repugs are not above the law.

...actually walking out of the WH. He has to do that on a daily basis as part of Presidenting anyway. If he loses the election he will have several months before the inauguration to cast doubt on the election results, declare some sort of emergency, and try to convince as much of the power structure as he can to stand by him instead of admitting the authority of the new President. I can imagine some arms of authority sticking with Trump for various self-serving ends, and others definitely not doing so. Actually keeping possession of the WH is relatively minor; it really comes down to who is willing to take your orders when you call them on the phone, and what you are willing to ask them to do on your behalf.

It's not certain that they would try this but it's by no means certain they won't, and if they do it's not at al certain how it would unfold. It would get ugly quick, and we're talking not watergate but 1860's levels of ugly.

...negating the results of the election. I really can. Don't forget, he'll have over two months to think about it.

to support him. And those folks have 2 months to bring in their loyal lieutenants and so on.

Actually it's not even 2 months. He has 4 years.

With no chance of success, and with the fact it would do nothing but possibly get him arrested, it seems a little far-fetched.

1) because he's a drama queen and
2) because he actually hates being president (work!) and would prefer to be (UNFAIR-ly!) ousted to losing an election. Then he can go back to doing what he likes: playing golf and the victim.

You are talking about a coup.

Here's the thing. They only happen when things are fully corrupt and that senior figures are not loyal to who they are supposed to be loyal to. Coup's don't happen in a vacuum when just the insurgent (in this case Trump) decides that he wants power. They happen when they have followers and followers of followers etc.

And who pays? We all do. Civil war. Destruction of the economy and country and lives upon lives.

I don't think such a thing will happen. Trump will leave quietly just like all his predecessors (and each side every 4 years predicts the current president won't leave).

But Trump does have followers. Millions of them and he placed some of them in powerful positions.

Let's hope this simple stay idle discussion.

Besides, he has had a taste of the entire world hanging on his every word. (The Apprentice on mega steroids.) He will not give that up quietly.

THAT is what this has all been about. Celebrity. AND the hundreds of millions he has raked in by forcing the taxpayers to pay for all the security at all his properties, the entire floor of turdface tower occupied by the secret service, all the RNC functions at his properties, all the visiting dignitaries trying to curry favor by staying at his properties, not to mention the Saudis bailing out Jar-head for satan's address, and I could go on... (Hopefully we can get as much as possible back through RICO.)

No, this has all been about money, branding (too bad "trump" now = shit), and being Putin's whore (no offense to any Lady of the Evening, EXCEPT Melania) and doing every thing possible to destroy the basic foundations of our democracy.

And he is still a PATHETIC LOSER.

So Sad.

and if he did not leave we would see an Assange-type of departure

He'd be "controlled" by "regular" Republicans. And if he actually did [insert crime of choice] he'd be impeached. He'd be crazy to screw around with healthcare. He'd be gone by Christmas 2017. He's breaking this law and that law, and he's going to jail for sure, now. Wait until the full Russia conspiracy comes out. Wait until the Muller report comes out. Trump is toast!
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And here we are, 45 still in office, still saying/doing completely insane shit. The single constant that runs from November 2016 to the present moment is: When it comes to 45, NOTHING is certain. Nothing.

it doesn't make a difference. The winner will be sworn in and have the power, Trump would have NO power, he'd be ignored and end up slinking away into oblivion.

I want to see this Cheeto-faced jackass perp walked out of the White House and into an awaiting police escort taking him to jail.