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ck4829

(35,077 posts)
Mon Jun 17, 2019, 05:50 PM Jun 2019

"But That's Socialism!" Today's episode... Statehood for Puerto Rico

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*Cue images of Republicans calling various things "socialism"... like vaccinations, buying food before a potential blizzard, and, of course, not wanting to get shot in school.*

*Musical jingle*

But That's Socialism!

Today's episode... Statehood for Puerto Rico

U.S. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell went full-fledged off-the-wall red-baiting in a Fox News interview on Friday’s “Ingraham Angle.” The Republican from Kentucky told host Laura Ingraham that allowing Puerto Rico and Washington, D.C. to become states – which would mean full representation in the U.S. House and Senate along with voting rights, would be “FULL BORE SOCIALISM.”

Democrats “plan to make the District of Columbia a state and give them two Democratic Senators,” Leader McConnell said, adding they would also make Puerto Rico a state which “would give them two more Democratic Senators. They plan to expand the Supreme Court. So this is FULL BORE SOCIALISM on the march in the House, and, yeah, as long as I am Majority Leader in the Senate none of that stuff is going anywhere.”

McConnell, who proudly posted the video clip (below) to his Twitter account, was not asked to defend his remarks, nor to explain how basic values of American democracy that 50 states currently enjoy and have since the founding of the Republic, are SOCIALISM.

https://www.alternet.org/2019/06/mcconnell-goes-berserk-claims-granting-puerto-rico-statehood-voting-rights-and-representation-is-full-bore-socialism/
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dchill

(38,505 posts)
2. Toilet paper! And the way those people are...
Mon Jun 17, 2019, 05:56 PM
Jun 2019

They probably want clean drinking water! Then what? I ask you, then what?

tritsofme

(17,380 posts)
5. Support for Puerto Rican statehood was in the 2016 GOP Platform...
Mon Jun 17, 2019, 06:19 PM
Jun 2019

I guess they too are socialists...

Caliman73

(11,738 posts)
4. An idiot speaking to another idiot designed to rile up still more idiots.
Mon Jun 17, 2019, 06:17 PM
Jun 2019

My only question to McConnell would be, "Are you stupid or are you that cynical and contemptuous of people that you would say that?"

Socialism is a social and economic system whereby laborers on the means of production (I.E. collectivism or cooperative structures). It is about who owns capital and how the benefits of labor are distributed.

Socialism has nothing to do with statehood or representation in a congressional body although I am sure that it encompasses governing structures. McConnell is ridiculous and only said that on Ingraham's show because he knew he wouldn't get ANY kind of pushback.

Sadly, the aforementioned "idiots" who watch Ingraham's show will just nod in agreement to the spectacularly stupid comment.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
6. I'm not sure
Mon Jun 17, 2019, 06:23 PM
Jun 2019

does it take merely a majority in one or both houses of Congress to admit a territory to statehood? I was a wee lad when Alaska and Hawaii became full states.

Both of those places suffered the brunt of Japanese attacks in WWII, and statehood was probably seen as a recognition of that. I can't say for certain whether or not Puerto Rico would enjoy that kind of favor.

Shouldn't it at least be put to a vote there?

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
14. It has a few times but congress hasn't acted. The latest
Tue Jun 18, 2019, 07:53 AM
Jun 2019

referendum, in 2017, showed the largest number by far, an overwhelming majority, supporting statehood. PR hasn't been able to stand on its own. Later that year Hurricane Maria and massive betrayal by the government and many mainlanders.

Interesting thought about HI and AK. Wartime gratitude and sympathy are lacking for PR, of course, but it also has some strategic value.

procon

(15,805 posts)
7. It's stupifying to listen to his twisted logic.
Mon Jun 17, 2019, 06:27 PM
Jun 2019

Don't give people who trend to vote for Democrats statehood, let them suffer as limited citizens rather than change the Republican platform to include everyone.

They'll keep their "socialism" for the wealth few, and use it in reverse to handout perks and tax breaks to the richest corporations, but no funding for programs that assist the little guy.

McConnell is the poster child for everything that's wrong with the GOP. Like every other Republican, he has never put the country before his own enrichment and advancement. He has set the example and lowered the bar for his party by denying or ignoring his oath of office to safeguard our founding principles over his own greed and quest for power.

TheRealNorth

(9,481 posts)
8. More Republican disenfranchisement
Mon Jun 17, 2019, 06:27 PM
Jun 2019

DC has more people than Wyoming or Vermont, and barely less than Alaska or the Dakota's.

Puerto Rico would rank 29th in state populations if it were a state.

At the very least, they should wrap up DC with the other long-standing territories (Guam, Puerto Rico, American Samoa) and give them 2 senators and Representatives proportional to their combined population.

Archae

(46,337 posts)
9. From the article about not wanting to get shot at school...
Mon Jun 17, 2019, 06:34 PM
Jun 2019

"A vocal supporter of President Trump and the National Rifle Association, Beaty cannot own a gun himself because of his 14-month conviction for threatening to kill former President George H.W. Bush in the early 1990s."

pampango

(24,692 posts)
11. For conservatives, accusing someone of 'socialism' is an argument-winning tactic.
Tue Jun 18, 2019, 06:58 AM
Jun 2019

Evidence, logic or reasonable explanation are not required.

Was admitting Hawaii as a state in 1959 “socialism”? Using Mitch’s ‘reasoning’ it was?

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
13. Thanks for links to those other idiocies, CK. Dark humor, maybe, but funny.
Tue Jun 18, 2019, 07:34 AM
Jun 2019

(Might as well laugh.) Stocking up in case the roads aren't passable proves lack of self reliance because of nonexistent socialism. Uhuh.

Hopefully, McConnell's cynical manipulation of the worst of the right is continually offending many others. We're already a majority, so we don't need them all to finally break away, just for those who already have to be joined by others.

More, Mitch, more!

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