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Urged to Launch an Attack, Trump Listened to the Skeptics Who Said It Would Be a Costly Mistake
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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/21/us/politics/trump-iran-strike.html
WASHINGTON He heard from his generals and his diplomats. Lawmakers weighed in and so did his advisers. But among the voices that rang powerfully for President Trump was that of one of his favorite Fox News hosts: Tucker Carlson.
While national security advisers were urging a military strike against Iran, Mr. Carlson in recent days had told Mr. Trump that responding to Tehrans provocations with force was crazy. The hawks did not have the presidents best interests at heart, he said. And if Mr. Trump got into a war with Iran, he could kiss his chances of re-election goodbye.
The full story of how Mr. Trump set in motion an attack on another country and then canceled it remained to some extent shrouded in mystery even to some of those involved, according to interviews with administration officials, military officers and lawmakers, many of whom asked not to be named. On the day after the aborted strike, multiple, seemingly conflicting accounts emerged and the White House made no effort to reconcile them, choosing to stay silent about the deliberations. A spokeswoman for Fox News declined to comment.
But an administration official informed about the discussions privately disputed that account. The 150-dead casualty estimate came not from a general but from a lawyer, according to the official. The estimate was developed by Pentagon lawyers drafting worst-case scenarios that, the official said, did not account for whether the strike was carried out during daytime, when more people might be present at the targets, or in the dark hours before sunrise, as the military planned.
tanyev
(42,610 posts)Heh.
justhanginon
(3,290 posts)That would help the world situation immensely.
NBachers
(17,136 posts)justhanginon
(3,290 posts)tblue37
(65,487 posts)Firestorm49
(4,037 posts)Instead of thinking that he made himself look compassionate and caring (Im sitting here laughing my ass off at that one) he chose to make himself look stupid again. Its called planning, and in a good administrations, it works.
Eyeball_Kid
(7,434 posts)Collateral damage assessments typically reference CIVILIAN DEATHS, not overall deaths. There was no accounting of overall deaths as an estimate. Besides, the estimate doesn't include any subsequent events in an undeniable escalation to all-out war.
Trying to isolate collateral damage in this situation is irresponsible, naive and nonsensical. All hell will break loose if Trumpy attacks Iran.
C_U_L8R
(45,020 posts)What incompetent nincompoops
nolabear
(41,991 posts)Seriously, you dont say a number like that unless you plan to bomb a specific place with 150 inhabitants, and you still dont. The one time he makes a specific statement and its either ridiculous or gives something away.
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)Once Iran's Missile's went hot,those Numbers would be closer to a thousand on the low end.
All Oil going out of or through the Straight would have come to a halt for months until the Wrecked Tankers could be removed .
Why is it that our Military and Politicians thing they are dealing with a Nation that has only sticks and stones for military hardware.
Iran has been planning for this event since 1979 and Reagan gave them the most modern short range Missile's available at that time. Reverse Engineering works. Just ask the Chinese and India.
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)And the media fell for it hard in the first 24 hours. By the time they get the story right, the bullshit story has once again already set in the public mind. But so many reporters and their editors don't have a nose and can't smell bullshit, they have no cynicism even after all the cries of wolf this administration has put out in the last two and a half years.
underpants
(182,878 posts)I dont watch much coverage so Ill trust your account. I think they can cover all they want but it blows his image out of the water. The press seems to be trying to split this into him being STRONG but yet isolationist/weary of war. Bullshit. Hes bullshit. That Split spin exposes how full of shit he is let alone this pumpfake (with a warning thru Oman). Geesh what a Clustertrump
Vegas Roller
(704 posts)always be prepared to see the unexpected.
Trump admin is nothing but a 4th rate circus.