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G_j

(40,370 posts)
Sat Jun 22, 2019, 05:46 PM Jun 2019

NC lawmaker says Lincoln 'unjustly invaded' the South, a 'sovereign nation'

https://www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/article231792543.html

NC lawmaker says Lincoln ‘unjustly invaded’ the South, a ‘sovereign nation’

RALEIGH
It started when N.C. legislator Larry Pittman compared Republican U.S. Sen. Thom Tillis to a Democrat.



It escalated after Tillis’ wife responded.

And it boiled over Thursday when Pittman compared President Abraham Lincoln to Nazi leader Adolf Hitler — for the second time since 2017.

“It was only a matter of numbers,” Pittman wrote on Facebook, responding to another Facebook user. “Lincoln was responsible for the unnecessary deaths of 800,000 Americans. Hitler was responsible for millions more. Both unjustly invaded and subjugated sovereign nations.”

N.C. House leaders took a rare public stance against one of their own Thursday as they condemned Pittman, a Republican firebrand from Cabarrus County who has become known for making controversial remarks.

Pittman last year suggested that most school shooters are “communist Democrats” — a comment he apologized for — and earlier this year tried to outlaw same-sex marriage with a bill that called those couples “immoral” and part of the religion of “secular humanism.”

Read more here: https://www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/article231792543.html#storylink=cpy
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NC lawmaker says Lincoln 'unjustly invaded' the South, a 'sovereign nation' (Original Post) G_j Jun 2019 OP
This loon needs four lapel pins to make sure that you know.... RussellCattle Jun 2019 #1
Found a new one just for him! CurtEastPoint Jun 2019 #7
Perfect. Pin three or four on him just to make sure. RussellCattle Jun 2019 #11
The flag is still there ornotna Jun 2019 #15
Germany learned its lesson and made promoting Nazism illegal. How well that's working may... TreasonousBastard Jun 2019 #2
Should've done something about it nearly 150 years ago Spider Jerusalem Jun 2019 #12
Did Trump make it to Germany during his "European Vacation Movie"? RussellCattle Jun 2019 #14
The lunatics are everywhere malaise Jun 2019 #3
i thought these questions were answered at appomattox courthous rampartc Jun 2019 #4
When he apologized for calling shooters "communist Democrats" DFW Jun 2019 #5
Deranged asshole Solly Mack Jun 2019 #6
In the pre-Civil War South, it was illegal to educate African-Americans. Aristus Jun 2019 #8
Anyone care to guess what his day job is? Hmmm??? CurtEastPoint Jun 2019 #9
I was gonna guess Village Idiot struggle4progress Jun 2019 #20
Alex Jones Republicans. blm Jun 2019 #10
They used to avoid much reference to the "Great Emancipator" because of their racist base.... RussellCattle Jun 2019 #13
If the GOP wants to disavow its founder Lincoln, we'd be glad to claim him! dawg day Jun 2019 #16
Fort Bragg is named after Braxton Bragg, a confederate general. Blue_true Jun 2019 #21
"I enjoy baking my brains to steamy mush on hot summer days" struggle4progress Jun 2019 #17
So, Who Then, Fired The First Shot? Me. Jun 2019 #18
It depends on who you ask. Yankees? Dayyam yankees? Gawdayyam yankees? struggle4progress Jun 2019 #19
I'm Sure You're Correct If One Buy The Traitor Trump Version Of History Me. Jun 2019 #22
I'm pretty sure that's in the TL;DR category for Larry and his pals struggle4progress Jun 2019 #23
Thank God you republicans won that war back in the 1860s. keithbvadu2 Jun 2019 #24

RussellCattle

(1,535 posts)
1. This loon needs four lapel pins to make sure that you know....
Sat Jun 22, 2019, 05:54 PM
Jun 2019

that he is sufficiently conservative for the right wing nut jobs of Cabarrus County, North Carolina. Speaking of lapel pins, what ever happened to the American flag pins that used to be required for all republicans? What is the small round pin that they all seem to use today?

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
2. Germany learned its lesson and made promoting Nazism illegal. How well that's working may...
Sat Jun 22, 2019, 05:55 PM
Jun 2019

be debatable, but we really should do something about revisionist history in our own case.

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
12. Should've done something about it nearly 150 years ago
Sat Jun 22, 2019, 06:13 PM
Jun 2019

the "Lost Cause" narrative took over in the South in the wake of Reconstruction and never really went away.

RussellCattle

(1,535 posts)
14. Did Trump make it to Germany during his "European Vacation Movie"?
Sat Jun 22, 2019, 06:23 PM
Jun 2019

A comment about there being "good people on both sides" would have been a nice touch. I would have loved to have seen a leaked memo advising staff (Stephen Miller) to leave all Nazi paraphernalia at home.

rampartc

(5,435 posts)
4. i thought these questions were answered at appomattox courthous
Sat Jun 22, 2019, 05:56 PM
Jun 2019

this same guy would probably say the Nazis were liberals and that the liberal democrats were the slaveowners.

sometimes history is just a little more complicated than 21st century American politics.

DFW

(54,437 posts)
5. When he apologized for calling shooters "communist Democrats"
Sat Jun 22, 2019, 05:57 PM
Jun 2019

Knowing his type, the only thing he meant to apologize about was the "communist" part.

Aristus

(66,462 posts)
8. In the pre-Civil War South, it was illegal to educate African-Americans.
Sat Jun 22, 2019, 06:02 PM
Jun 2019

After the North won the war and set the slaves free, the South said: "FINE! We just won't educate anybody then!"

blm

(113,091 posts)
10. Alex Jones Republicans.
Sat Jun 22, 2019, 06:03 PM
Jun 2019

FOX news Republicans. Today’s GOP, where Abraham Lincoln is actually despised. These are Putin Party loyalists now.

RussellCattle

(1,535 posts)
13. They used to avoid much reference to the "Great Emancipator" because of their racist base....
Sat Jun 22, 2019, 06:16 PM
Jun 2019

....but now they want to attack Honest Abe directly?

dawg day

(7,947 posts)
16. If the GOP wants to disavow its founder Lincoln, we'd be glad to claim him!
Sat Jun 22, 2019, 06:30 PM
Jun 2019

A sovereign nation? I grew up in NC, partly, and there were some who didn't believe the defeat really happened. For them, the war was still going on, and that big army fort, Ft. Bragg, that was an occupying force.

I'm sure this guy thinks he's "patriotic".

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
21. Fort Bragg is named after Braxton Bragg, a confederate general.
Sat Jun 22, 2019, 07:39 PM
Jun 2019

The military should change the name to Fort Thomas, to honor a sourtherner during the civil war who was actually a patriot, fighting as a general for the Union.

struggle4progress

(118,338 posts)
19. It depends on who you ask. Yankees? Dayyam yankees? Gawdayyam yankees?
Sat Jun 22, 2019, 07:33 PM
Jun 2019

If you didn't go to school in the deep south, you may not know the officially story: "We wuz all just peacably mindin our own bidness and then Fort Sumter suddenly surprised us by surrendering without any provocation whatsoever!"

Me.

(35,454 posts)
22. I'm Sure You're Correct If One Buy The Traitor Trump Version Of History
Sat Jun 22, 2019, 07:44 PM
Jun 2019

For everyone else...

In late 1860 and early 1861, South Carolina and other southern states withdrew from the Union. They formed a new nation called the Confederate States of America.

But Abraham Lincoln, the president of the United States, said the southern states did not have right to secede. And he said he would not accept the South’s demand to remove U.S. soldiers from South Carolina. The soldiers defended a base in Charleston Harbor called Fort Sumter.

So, Confederate leaders ordered an attack. Just before sunrise on April 12, 1861, a shell exploded above Fort Sumter. It was the first shot fired in the American Civil War.”

https://learningenglish.voanews.com/a/first-shot-civil-war-fort-sumter/2441338.html

“The Battle of Fort Sumter (April 12–13, 1861) was the bombardment of Fort Sumter near Charleston, South Carolina by the Confederate States Army, and the return gunfire and subsequent surrender by the United States Army, that started the American Civil War. Following the declaration of secession by South Carolina on December 20, 1860, its authorities demanded that the U.S. Army abandon its facilities in Charleston Harbor. On December 26, Major Robert Anderson of the U.S. Army surreptitiously moved his small command from the vulnerable Fort Moultrie on Sullivan's Island to Fort Sumter, a substantial fortress built on an island controlling the entrance of Charleston Harbor. An attempt by U.S. President James Buchanan to reinforce and resupply Anderson using the unarmed merchant ship Star of the West failed when it was fired upon by shore batteries on January 9, 1861. South Carolina authorities then seized all Federal property in the Charleston area except for Fort Sumter.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Fort_Sumter


“Jefferson Davis fired the shot that started the Civil War, not Abraham Lincoln.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/who...shot/.../AF1M5uHD_story.html

keithbvadu2

(36,906 posts)
24. Thank God you republicans won that war back in the 1860s.
Sat Jun 22, 2019, 07:56 PM
Jun 2019

You're a republican, Pittman.

Thank God you republicans won that war back in the 1860s.

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