Rikers Island awaits him.

His lawyers will insist that any prison time at all would be a death sentence for health reasons.

By far the most likely best outcome is he settles for cash, admitting no wrongdoing.

Maybe, maybe there's an outside chance there's house arrest in one of his luxury properties.

You may be right. He might just walk.

for that very purpose.

Not that it matters much. I really can't see donald fraud going to prison. At worst he'll settle for an undisclosed amount, admitting no wrongdoing, as he has done some many times in the past....

It's a good point ... if anything, they get rid of a negative and replace him with (from the GOP point of view) at worst a neutral.

Actually, I am sure there are some back channel conversations going on right now between Team Pence and Team Impeach, and Team Trump is deliberately kept out of the loop.

Given the choice of being Trump's footstool or being Jerry Ford, who wouldn't rather be Jerry Ford?

a vice president who took over for a president who left office wouldn't have been from the same party (in fact, the founding fathers and Washington didn't think there should be political parties at all). Originally, the vice president would have been the person who received the second most electoral college votes for president, so the VP would be from the opposite party. However, in 1800 there was a tie in the electoral college between Jefferson and Burr, so the president had to be selected by the House. To prevent that from happening again, the 12th Amendment was added to the Constitution in 1804, creating the current system where electors cast a separate ballot for the vice presidency.

It would be understandable if impeaching Donald fraud meant handing the White House to a Democrat.

But two centuries later, they are acting as if there's far more to it than replacing one republican with another.

I get that it wouldn't be a boon to their electoral chance in 2020, but surely it's better to have it be old news already dealt with....

Should we allow his behavior, his complete disregard for the Constitution to continue because impeaching would put Pence in? Personally, using this as an excuse is cold comfort. I would rather we damn him and his flaunting of the oath of president in full view of the American people.

I'm more baffled by republicans' behavior than democrats'.

against others. Remember the complete 180 Lindsey Graham did after one golf game alone with Trump? Wanna get he learned what dirt Trump has on him?

Besides, most Republicans are up to their elbows in rubles.

Pence in many ways is more dangerous than Trump, simply because he seems sane and sensible and will continue to do all of the awful things Trump has done, only with a noticeable right-wing religious fanatic aspect to everything.

Another reason why republicans may come to regret sticking by Donald fraud.

Pelosi is smart. I'm in favor of impeachment hearings, and surely we've already seen more than enough to justify actual impeachment. But timing is everything, and this needs to reach a crescendo late next year....

with him the problem is he is a batshit religious freak and the bigger problem is that he is smart. He is more dangerous than trump.

But yeah, we may one day look back and be happy that Donald fraud was so damn obvious.

Well, to most of us, anyway.

Pence is certainly scary. All republicans are these days.

...maybe someone can clarify this for me. I get constant negative BS from family 99% of which is crap you hear everyday. I got one about impeachment that threw me a little. It made the point that trump gets to 'mount a vigorous defense' of impeachment charges brought by the House which includes subpoena power to question basically anyone he wants under oath

If a House Democrat is subpoenaed and refuses to testify charges against trump could be dropped. If this is true it's very easy to understand Pelosi's reticence in pursuing impeachment. The email is written by some 'expert' and lists a bunch of procedural crap most of which e hear about all the time. I had just never heard this stuff before and it seems very dangerous!

Up to senate rules I guess.

There's precedent, not just in bill Clinton's and Andrew Johnson's trials, but also in impeachment trials of other officials.

That said, the senaturtle would likely give Donald fraud special concessions....