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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Tue Jun 25, 2019, 08:32 AM Jun 2019

Economic Trade Wind May Soon Become a Head Wind for Trump


We are sometimes leery when it comes to items about the economy and where it is headed. There are so many tea leaves to read, and nobody seems to have figured out exactly which ones are the right ones. That said, what is knowable is how people are feeling about the economy. And many farmers, at very least, are feeling the pinch from Donald Trump's wars, and are not happy.

The reasons for their unhappiness are easy enough to discern. Many of them have crops they cannot sell, because their usual business partners (e.g., China) are currently not buying. They also don't know what to plant, if anything, in anticipation of the next growing season. Income is down 50% in just six years, and debt is way up. In fact, as many of them take out loans to make ends meet, the total debt held by farmers will exceed $427 billion, which is the highest figure in nearly 40 years.

There is both polling and anecdotal evidence of the farmers' growing discontent. In terms of the former, numerous polls have shown growing skepticism about the trade war in general, and about the possibility of a quick resolution, in particular. Note that the farmers are still with the President for now (nearly 60% approve of the job he is doing), but the trendlines have to be worrisome for the administration. For example, a poll from Purdue University reveals that in just one month, the percentage of farmers who think the trade war will be resolved in favor of the U.S. has dropped by 6 points, from 71% to 65%. Anecdotally, meanwhile, quite a few outlets have recently done pieces like this one from the Washington Post, featuring interviews with cranky farmers. "This trade thing is going to kill us," says one. "People are starting to say, 'I don't know how we're going to survive this,'" says another.

This is a potential double whammy for Trump. First, if he loses even a fraction of the farming vote that he got in 2016 (say, 5%), he's in deep trouble, given that he won by razor thin margins in several states that have lots of farmers. On top of that, if the farming economy gets dragged into the mud by Trump's policies, it could send the economy into a recession. As we noted, we're a little leery of folks who claim they can read the tea leaves, but it is the case that many of those folks are saying that we're awash in indicators of a looming recession. And even if one does not buy into the economists' woo, there's this basic logic: In just one week, the current economic expansion will become the longest in U.S. history, at 10 years and counting. The party can't last forever. It never does.

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Economic Trade Wind May Soon Become a Head Wind for Trump (Original Post) DonViejo Jun 2019 OP
The folly of bending over backwards to appease "farmers" Cosmocat Jun 2019 #1
We only subsidize rich farmers... Farmer-Rick Jun 2019 #2
Your points could be useful as an article. It is a topic delisen Jun 2019 #3
thank you Cosmocat Jun 2019 #5
we will all suffer from Trumps Ego trips!! riversedge Jun 2019 #4

Cosmocat

(14,572 posts)
1. The folly of bending over backwards to appease "farmers"
Tue Jun 25, 2019, 08:38 AM
Jun 2019

First, it is a wildly subsidized industry. For all the bemoaning of "socialism" there is a endless array of ways that our collective tax dollars go toward keeping them afloat in the first place.

But, 71% of these "sage" people thought that a trade war initiated by this simpleton was going to end up resolved in favor of the US?

At what point does the media and country stop genuflecting at the feet of people THAT naive?

Farmer-Rick

(10,207 posts)
2. We only subsidize rich farmers...
Tue Jun 25, 2019, 08:47 AM
Jun 2019

I know, I've applied for those subsidies but never qualified for being too small a farm. So, if you can pull yourself up by your own bootstraps, then they maybe willing to give you a subsidy but only if you grow and raise produce the way they want.

Many of the produce requirements require you to use chemicals to get the results they are looking for. Even their organic label has huge holes for using chemicals.

delisen

(6,044 posts)
3. Your points could be useful as an article. It is a topic
Tue Jun 25, 2019, 09:26 AM
Jun 2019

that needs more written and distributed because so many of us don't have the facts we need to understand what actually is happening in agriculture.

I would like to be able to listen to your experience and perspective on NPR for example or as a podcast.

Cosmocat

(14,572 posts)
5. thank you
Tue Jun 25, 2019, 11:12 AM
Jun 2019

I do realize that as with anything else the big fish get the love.

Also, I do not mean to disparage farmers generally, just those who will allow it all to burn down around them in their prideful support of all things GOP.

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