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"House Democratic leaders emerged from a closed-door caucus meeting Tuesday confident that they had secured the votes for a contentious border funding bill despite lingering ire from some progressives.
Speaker Nancy Pelosi made a final pitch to the caucus on Tuesday, arguing that Democrats needed to swiftly act on the humanitarian crisis, rather than squabbling over the White House's broader border policies.
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Its for the children, the children, the children, Pelosi told reporters after the meeting, echoing her message to members. This is a very strong first step for us, for the children. Its very exciting.
Added Pelosi, It will pass when we bring it to the floor.
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"High-profile progressives, including Ocasio-Cortez, gave impassioned speeches Monday night about how the bill didnt go far enough to ensure the administration was addressing basic humanitarian needs for migrant children who are being held at the border."
https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEEzdBdezqRiKzkfTKLhbppAqGQgEKhAIACoHCAow4Zn5CjCu8uACMNSiwQU?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen
So - what the fuck just happened?
"Liberal grumbling"?
WTAF!!!
Baclava
(12,047 posts)Is anybody ever happy anything gets done at all anymore?
orangecrush
(19,616 posts)for the wall in the bill?
Did Trump get away with holding children hostage for his wall?
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)I ran HHS...theres nothing more central to why I came here than protecting children, she said. And thats what that bills about, its about kids.
Midnightwalk
(3,131 posts)One way or the other. At least, I didnt see it. Even if there is no explicit funding for the wall there should be something to prevent the funds being diverted by executive order.
Whatever is in the house bill will likely be watered down if and when a compromise bill is worked out with the senate.
That said, legislatively, our choice is accepting a compromise that improves the conditions the children are kept in or withholding help in the attempt to get something better worked out with the senate.
I support a compromise.
We should still be looking at other legislation to ban family separation and looking for an injunction. That said what happened to the injunction last summer that banned family separation for the mist part. Did that get over turned or are they just violating it?
Trump is responsible for these crimes and so are the people all the way down to the guards. There needs to be consequences.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)I said to the members, we have to have a country where every child knows that they are in their parents arms, literally or figuratively, Pelosi told reporters Tuesday.
This isn't an immigration bill," she said. "This is an appropriations bill to meet the needs of our children so we can remove the needs that they have, but also the shame that we should have if they don't have diapers and toothbrushes and care.
She warned that the Senate version of the bill doesn't provide as many protections for migrants as the House bill, a warning to hesitant members that if they don't support the House bill, they may end up with a measure that provides fewer safeguards for humanitarian treatment - or no bill at all.
Understand what were up against in the White House. The president would love for this bill to go down today," Pelosi hold her members in a closed-door meeting Tuesday, according to a senior Democratic aide. A vote against this bill is a vote for Donald Trump and his inhumane, outside-the-circle of civilized attitude toward the children.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/house-democrats-try-rally-progressive-support-emergency-border-bill-n1021421
Midnightwalk
(3,131 posts)it does mention the additional safeguards that money will go towards humanitarian treatment.
Im sure the details are in the house bill but even that will change in reconciliation.
Just so its crystal clear. I support the bill. It will be better than just starting with the senate bill.
It would be unfair to hold immigrants hostage to getting a better bill. Also, politically how foolish would it be to allow us to be framed as the hostage takers by holding out. Take care of the kids first and continue to hammer on the inhumanity of separations and the current conditions and abuses
bdamomma
(63,919 posts)that someone is profiting off these kids in cages.
Please refer to:
https://upload.democraticunderground.com/100212220898
Baclava
(12,047 posts)I'm sure of that
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Do you not trust AOC, who apparently put tweaks in the bill, rather than simply denounce it whole? Is that money in "her pocket" as well?
That's in the article, if you bothered to read it.
Baclava
(12,047 posts)That's the tell
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Did that include AOC - who worked with Pelosi to tweak the bill?
So, you're saying if it passes the Senate, that means it's bad?
Can you clarify?
Baclava
(12,047 posts)I don't know why anyone would be against it
JHB
(37,161 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)indicate responsible journalism or editing.
Sarah Farris is known for her screeds on "centrist Democrats."
spanone
(135,867 posts)shanny
(6,709 posts)at a minimum
orangecrush
(19,616 posts)I thank her for standing up unafraid.
shanny
(6,709 posts)You don't have to shout; I agree with you.
uponit7771
(90,359 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)If you read the article, you would know that quote not anywhere in the article other than the headline.
You don't need to bang your head any more.
You're welcome.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Because unless we pat ourselves on the back over and over and over, the world rarely notices our genius and clever responses (or as they put it, our "consistently annoying pouting" .
Thank you, regardless of what you need to bang.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)It helps to read something through before sharing it and ranting about content that's not even in it.
Author Sarah Farris is known for her screeds on "centrist Democrats," so you can judge the journalistic intent from that.
Turin_C3PO
(14,040 posts)So sick of this type of reporting
orangecrush
(19,616 posts)Appeasing Donald Trump.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Turin_C3PO
(14,040 posts)Me.
(35,454 posts)as to anyone who is opposed to the bill as it is, the other option is to allow those children to continue to live in squalor and dire circumstances. Is that the hill progressives want to stand on?
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)orangecrush
(19,616 posts)that has AOC resisting it's passage?
Looks like this is being pushed through before anyone finds out.
Wall funding?
More ICE raids?
Trump has successfully held children hostage.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)tazkcmo
(7,300 posts)orangecrush
(19,616 posts)I trust her that there are very good reasons.
And she is every bit as much a democrat as any others in the house.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)You seem loaded for bear about Democratic leaders....
orangecrush
(19,616 posts)I think AOC is a great democratic leader.
In fact, I believe right now that she is the BEST democratic leader.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)You are still avoiding the question in fulfilling a need to insult other Democratic leaders.
Not surprised.
orangecrush
(19,616 posts)We both want Trump stopped.
Right?
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)helping Trump?
No, I don't agree with you. Especially when you post a headline that is a lie, and meant to smear Pelosi.
I hope that makes sense.
orangecrush
(19,616 posts)unless you are a Trump supporter.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)When you post a misleading headline that attributes a quote to Pelosi that's a lie, as though it's a fact, that isn't "disagreeing," especially from an author that is known for hating on the Democratic Party on Democratic Underground, that's a smear.
Can we agree on that?
orangecrush
(19,616 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)We're at that now?
bdamomma
(63,919 posts)She doesn't hold anything back. Nothing wrong to speaking truth to Power.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)tazkcmo
(7,300 posts)I said nothing remotely involving AOC.
George II
(67,782 posts)....because she didn't want to fund ICE. The bill she voted against didn't have funding for ICE. So sometimes the good reasons aren't necessarily reasons at all.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Insisting on putting an amendment on it before one will approve it, bypassing all the hard work of actually crafting the bill. After all the teamwork has been accomplished, going straight to the media to say that one doesn't approve unless one gets one's own addition.
It does give on an opening to say that they singlehandedly "saved us" from a "centrist, compromised, corporate, flawed" bill with their amendment that preserved a semblance of progressive morality..
Who does that remind me of?
Kaleva
(36,340 posts)"Some Democrats said they were persuaded to support the emergency aid after speaking with nonprofits and nongovernment organizations, or NGOs, that are caring for migrants on the border and are saying they are running out of money to do so. The House bill includes $60 million for these groups."
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/house-democrats-try-rally-progressive-support-emergency-border-bill-n1021421
orangecrush
(19,616 posts)"Im not interested in making sure that caged children are getting warmer burritos. Im interested in making sure that theyre not getting caged in the first place, Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y., said. We need to stop funding the detention of children under any and all circumstances.
Thanks!
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)And why did AOC decide to tweak it if it was so unacceptable?
George II
(67,782 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)a political bargaining chip.
SMH...
Kaleva
(36,340 posts)Given that there are enough votes to pass the bill in the House, Pelosi can afford to let the few, such as AOC, make a statement by abstaining or voting against.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)and would stop calling them "detention centers."
Link to tweet
uponit7771
(90,359 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)So if she does nothing, does that make her more progressive? It's called an emergency funding bill for a reason. Does holding back humanitarian aid help anything?
Understand what were up against in the White House. The president would love for this bill to go down today," Pelosi hold her members in a closed-door meeting Tuesday, according to a senior Democratic aide. A vote against this bill is a vote for Donald Trump and his inhumane, outside-the-circle of civilized attitude toward the children.
Some Democrats said they were persuaded to support the emergency aid after speaking with nonprofits and nongovernment organizations, or NGOs, that are caring for migrants on the border and are saying they are running out of money to do so. The House bill includes $60 million for these groups.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/house-democrats-try-rally-progressive-support-emergency-border-bill-n1021421
Infants and toddlers need immediate assistance, and that's what's being addressed.
uponit7771
(90,359 posts)... get people through asylum process faster and stop being inhumane.
That could be Red Don's choice, he doesn't take it up the rhetoric against him but make him fucking own it ... PERIOD.
"I did it for the children" isn't going to be a good answer when these people have to run for office again on why the voted to fund shit that they knew was hurting people.
There are other options
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Apparently not.
But a reason to hate on Pelosi is always appealing, isn't it? False dichotomy noted that states that there is one clear "pure" option that makes everyone happy, and the rest are "shit that hurts people."
There are other options
Why don't you tell us what the "other options" are? You know, that won't "fund shit that democrats know will hurt people?" that will satisy those that seem to think that any action that isn't impeachment is somehow "against" impeachment"
Because emergency funding bill to provide humanitarian aid to the southern border, is such a distraction....
What is the alternative to an emergency funding bill to fund getting kids out of there?
uponit7771
(90,359 posts)... in your reply title to me.
Why don't you tell us what the "other options" are? ...
I did, please take time to read post thoroughly before sardonic retorts that progress nothing.
Because emergency funding bill to provide humanitarian aid to the southern border, is such a distraction....
No one but Red Don's sycophants believe his admin will use the funds properly and we know we shouldn't run concentration camps.
That's not an argument
What is the alternative to an emergency funding bill to fund getting kids out of there?
An emergency fund explicitly to get kids out of there, end concentration camps and end the inhumane treatment of migrants.
how bout we try that?
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)He thinks they should stay open... and stop calling them "detention centers."
Link to tweet
and of course these other "sycophants..."
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If enacted, the legislation would set new minimum standards of medical procedures by Customs and Border Protection (CBP), the Homeland Security agency which oversees Border Patrol agents. The agency hires medical practitioners to conduct health screening on migrants and is also responsible for transporting sick people in its custody to nearby hospitals.
Under the bill, U.S. border authorities would need to ensure that migrants in high-risk populations like pregnant women, children, the elderly and those with serious medical conditions like HIV receive a health screening within three hours of their apprehension. All other migrants would need to receive a screening within 12 hours of their detention.
The screening would include an interview with the migrant, a psychological exam and screenings for vital signs like pulse, temperature, blood pressure and oxygen levels. The proposal also demands CBP ensure an interpreter is available during screenings if needed.
Currently, detained migrants usually receive these examinations, but not necessarily in these timeframes
Border officials would also need to have a licensed emergency care professional on call in case migrants need urgent medical attention, as well as emergency transportation in detention facilities or located within 30 minutes of the detention facility.
In addition to its provisions outlining medical care standards, the bill also calls for CBP to have sufficient drinking water, food, hygiene products and working and clean bathrooms for migrants in its custody. For migrants who are 12 years or older, border officials must be able to offer a daily diet consisting of three meals that together amount to no less than 2,000 calories.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/democrats-unveil-bill-to-bolster-medical-care-of-migrants-in-border-patrol-custody/
orangecrush
(19,616 posts)leftstreet
(36,112 posts)Your post says it all
atreides1
(16,093 posts)The House version is not the one that Trump is willing to sign...he's all for the Senate version, which doesn't have the parts that will ensure that the detained children are taken care of!
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/06/24/white-house-threatens-veto-of-house-border-bill-financial-services-spending-bill-1380264
uponit7771
(90,359 posts)... pols who do vote for it have some cover
George II
(67,782 posts)uponit7771
(90,359 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)Let alone pass? And the Dotard sign? What is the point of complaining that it does not go far enough unless senate passage and presidential signing are likely?
mcar
(42,372 posts)This is what I see when I click on the link:
Pelosi whips border package: Don't vote with Trump
Politico must have changed the headline to better reflect reality.
orangecrush
(19,616 posts)from someone in this thread.
Oh - and don't forget this part -
["Progressives like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez had expressed unease with the emergency spending bill."]
"how can we tear families apart and cage children in a kinder, gentler fashion" is not a question democrats should be asking.
George II
(67,782 posts)And THAT is why Nancy Pelosi is Speaker of the House and our leader!