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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe gerrymandering ruling suggests that some academic work might be needed
The decision essentially says that they have no way to draw a line and say that a result is too partisan. It might be that work should be done to look at how various principles could be used to drive a computer process that could draw the lines based on agreed upon rules.
It would be great if there were federal guidelines that called for states to use bipartisan panels and that they would use agreed upon goals. A computer could maximize the stated goals. Currently, computers are already using computers to maximize an unacceptable goal of having the most seats likely to go to the majority party. Selecting the goal or set of goals would be an interesting.
For instance, here are two obvious goals:
1) Keep communities of interest within the same district - maximizing the homogeneity of the voters meaning they likely have similar interests.
2) Make the percent of seats that favor a party is as close as possible to the percent of voters in the state that favor that party.
Consider a fictitious state that has one large urban area surrounded by a rural area. Further assume that a third of the state lives in the urban area which is 90% Democratic and the rural are is 60% Republican/40% Democrat. This made up state is 56.1 percent Democratic and 42.9 percent Republican.
Using each of the two goals, you get different roles. If the districts are designed by communities of interest, you would end up splitting the urban area over 1/3 of the districts and the remaining 2/3 over the rural areas. Meaning the Republicans get 2/3 rds of the seats even as 56.1% of the state is Democratic.
The second way, would create districts that end up with as close as possible to 56.1 percent of the seats being Democratic.
My fear is that the Republicans COULD use the first goal stated as I stated it to 'pack' the district. They might also argue that this will help minorities have minority majority districts. ( something that was argued in the past) It should be noted that because of the concentration of Democrats in cities, this is easier for Republicans to do. Both of these reasons sound reasonable and in fact, laudable, when the real impact is that they get extra seats.
Caveat - My example was designed to demonstrate the problem mentioned. 60/40 makes the rural area hard to win. In reality, there is likely urban, suburban, and rural.
gopiscrap
(23,765 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,713 posts)it comprises about 30 states nation wide. That's an internet stat, I made it up. But I bet I'm close to right. It defines a lot of red states. Big swaths of red with small pockets of blue. It even happens in blue states.
The real split is largely urban/rural. Gerrymandering has always existed. Since 2000, Repubs have put computers to use and put the system on steroids. There are programs out there, available to anyone, to do the calculations you propose.
karynnj
(59,504 posts)The purpose was to argue how potential decision rules could have different impacts.
Wounded Bear
(58,713 posts)far from it. You were spot on. I was just pointing out that your scenario is far from hypothetical.
Scoopster
(423 posts)There's a very simple way to resolve this - mandate that congressional and state legislative districts be drawn based SOLELY on municipal and geographical boundaries. Town, city, and village borders, main roads, rivers, mountains. No more of this bullshit where they literally draw lines between houses just to dilute the vote of people in a given community based on political leanings.
FBaggins
(26,760 posts)Kennedy was willing to say that overt-partisan lines were possibly unconstitutional... but that there wasnt a clear standard that could be applied.
A number of studies and proposed standards were what led to the current set of cases... but Kennedy is gone and Kavanaugh doesnt have the same view.