General Discussion
Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsNew Details in Obama assassination plot:
(now's THERE'S a subject line for Agent Mike!)
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2012/08/us-soldiers-anti-obama-plot-wanted-give-government-back-people/56286/
The bizarre story began unfurling on Monday after Pfc. Michael Burnett, dressed in his Army uniform, testified in a southeast Georgia court against his fellow militia members. Prosecutors accused the group F.E.A.R. (Forever Enduring Always Ready) of buying $87,000 worth of assault rifles, bomb materials, and semiautomatic weapons in a plot to bomb a park in nearby Savannah, poison apple orchards in Washington state and blow up a dam with the ultimate goal of overthrowing the government and killing Barack Obama. The group also stands accused of murdering former U.S. soldier Michael Roark and his girlfriend Tiffany York after they learned of the group's plans. In a plea bargain, Burnett plead guilty to manslaughter and illegal gang activity on Monday in connection with Roark and York's murder. Here's what we've learned about the group so far.
The Group
The four U.S. soldiers implicated in the crimes, Pvt. Isaac Aguigui, Sgt. Anthony Peden, Pvt. Christopher Salmon and Burnett, are all active members of the U.S. Army. According to Burnett, the group's rationale behind killing the president was "to give the government back to the people," according to CNN. "The government needed a change, Burnett told the court. 'I thought we were the people who would be able to change it.'" According to Long County Prosecutor Isabel Pauley, This domestic terrorist organization did not simply plan and talk. Prior to the murders in this case, the group took action and had the knowledge, means and motive to carry out their plans. The Associated Press reports that the group courted current and former soldiers "who were in trouble or disillusioned." Prosecutors said they had no idea of the size of F.E.A.R.'s membership.
Leadership
The alleged ringleader of F.E.A.R. is Pvt. Aguigui, who funded the militia with $500,000 in insurance and benefit payments from the death of his wife just one year ago. Aguigui called himself "the nicest coldblooded murderer you will ever meet," according to a video interview with military investigators. The AP notes, "he used the Army to recruit militia members, who wore distinctive tattoos that resemble an anarchy symbol."
gkhouston
(21,642 posts)woodsprite
(11,923 posts)HughBeaumont
(24,461 posts)Fuck these treasonous disgraces. Let them never see the light of day.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)yardwork
(61,700 posts)Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/28/justice/georgia-soldiers-plot/index.html
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)In the first half of the 20th century, European assassins and violent troublemakers were called anarchists. The term can mean a lot of things.
By definition, I suppose, anarchy is not a well organized movement.
Is anyone arguing that these guys were mentally ill? Most right-wing assassinations are attributed to mental illness not political fanaticism. Who first called them anarchists?
I'm asking because these guys sound like right-wing-nuts, not anarchists.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)As the media is reporting they wanted to overthrow the government and kill the president I can only assume the same media is accurately reporting their motives.
Lots of people, sadly, are assigning motives without any basis, i.e. they're white so they must be racist. Except one of the accused appears to be South Pacific Islander.
Unless folks slow down and stop trying to drive a narrative then only thing that is going to happen is a bunch of nasty, hateful slurs are going to be tossed around on the presumption that nasty, hateful slurs are what prompted the plotters. If people are so convinced that nasty, hateful slurs can lead to violence they should take their own advice -- unless violence is what they're hoping for.
The last thing we need is for reckless talk making statements that may very well be proven untrue as the reporting uncovers more details. "Fools rush-in," and all that.
yardwork
(61,700 posts)Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)an article about those 5 chuckleheads in Cleveland and a bunch of stuff about the Black Bloc starting a bunch of riots.
How'd I do?
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)annabanana
(52,791 posts)HughBeaumont
(24,461 posts)Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)jorno67
(1,986 posts)I wonder if Fox news will declare war on angry white guys.
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)annabanana
(52,791 posts)(Exactly what the DHS report said.)
This may be just the most active cell. . . Or maybe not...
The Secret Service had damn well better be on point.
mfcorey1
(11,001 posts)government and assassination of the President has moved from third-world countries to the streets of America.
annabanana
(52,791 posts)in the very real definition of the word.
With VERY clear penalties.
Hubert Flottz
(37,726 posts)Are these just a "Few Bad Apples," or does this go on up the chain of command too, like Abu Ghraib?
Edit...better check Pvt. Pyle there on the right side, top row or your picture and see if that's a jelly donut in his foot locker.
uponit7771
(90,359 posts)..these people have some real issues.