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annabanana

(52,791 posts)
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 08:46 AM Aug 2012

New Details in Obama assassination plot:

(now's THERE'S a subject line for Agent Mike!)

Soldiers in anti-Obama plot wanted to 'give the government back to the people'
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2012/08/us-soldiers-anti-obama-plot-wanted-give-government-back-people/56286/

The bizarre story began unfurling on Monday after Pfc. Michael Burnett, dressed in his Army uniform, testified in a southeast Georgia court against his fellow militia members. Prosecutors accused the group F.E.A.R. (Forever Enduring Always Ready) of buying $87,000 worth of assault rifles, bomb materials, and semiautomatic weapons in a plot to bomb a park in nearby Savannah, poison apple orchards in Washington state and blow up a dam with the ultimate goal of overthrowing the government and killing Barack Obama. The group also stands accused of murdering former U.S. soldier Michael Roark and his girlfriend Tiffany York after they learned of the group's plans. In a plea bargain, Burnett plead guilty to manslaughter and illegal gang activity on Monday in connection with Roark and York's murder. Here's what we've learned about the group so far.

The Group

The four U.S. soldiers implicated in the crimes, Pvt. Isaac Aguigui, Sgt. Anthony Peden, Pvt. Christopher Salmon and Burnett, are all active members of the U.S. Army. According to Burnett, the group's rationale behind killing the president was "to give the government back to the people," according to CNN. "The government needed a change, Burnett told the court. 'I thought we were the people who would be able to change it.'" According to Long County Prosecutor Isabel Pauley, “This domestic terrorist organization did not simply plan and talk. Prior to the murders in this case, the group took action” and had the “knowledge, means and motive to carry out their plans.” The Associated Press reports that the group courted current and former soldiers "who were in trouble or disillusioned." Prosecutors said they had no idea of the size of F.E.A.R.'s membership.

Leadership

The alleged ringleader of F.E.A.R. is Pvt. Aguigui, who funded the militia with $500,000 in insurance and benefit payments from the death of his wife just one year ago. Aguigui called himself "the nicest coldblooded murderer you will ever meet," according to a video interview with military investigators. The AP notes, "he used the Army to recruit militia members, who wore distinctive tattoos that resemble an anarchy symbol."



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New Details in Obama assassination plot: (Original Post) annabanana Aug 2012 OP
Hope investigators are looking into the financially convenient demise of the wife. n/t gkhouston Aug 2012 #1
I was thinking the same thing as soon as I read it. n/t woodsprite Aug 2012 #2
Ah, Oafkeepers. HughBeaumont Aug 2012 #3
They aren't Oathkeepers, they're anarchists. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2012 #5
I doubt these people have anything to do with the Anarchist movement. yardwork Aug 2012 #6
They seem to think so. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2012 #8
Did they call themselves anarchists? Or is that just the label some members of the media used? JDPriestly Aug 2012 #9
They sound like people who wanted to overthrow the government. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2012 #14
I don't think that you know what the Anarchist movement is about. Google it. yardwork Aug 2012 #20
I found Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2012 #21
Doesn't matter what they & other fuckwits think. They're not anarchists. DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2012 #15
Are they true Scotsmen, though? Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2012 #16
anarchistIC maybe? . . . n/t annabanana Aug 2012 #10
Um, everything in this article describes these nutters to a tee: HughBeaumont Aug 2012 #22
Oathkeepers don't sound like anarachists. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2012 #23
Look...It's the face of terrorism jorno67 Aug 2012 #4
SPLC warned us all. I'd not be surprised if there were more. nt nc4bo Aug 2012 #7
"he used the Army to recruit militia members" annabanana Aug 2012 #11
This needs to really be sent to everyone you know. Military men plotting overthrow of the mfcorey1 Aug 2012 #12
And it is CLEARLY treason.. annabanana Aug 2012 #13
An example needs to be made, if the charges are proven. Hubert Flottz Aug 2012 #17
$500,000usd life insurance for the wife of a miliatry pvt?! Not even PFC?! Ummm ...yeah... uponit7771 Aug 2012 #18
Put them in hoodies with Iced tea bottles and Skittles and - wait, they aren't black. HopeHoops Aug 2012 #19

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
8. They seem to think so.
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 09:36 AM
Aug 2012
Four army soldiers killed a former comrade and his girlfriend to protect an anarchist militia group they formed that stockpiled assault weapons and plotted a range of anti-government attacks, prosecutors told a judge Monday.


http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/28/justice/georgia-soldiers-plot/index.html

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
9. Did they call themselves anarchists? Or is that just the label some members of the media used?
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 09:47 AM
Aug 2012

In the first half of the 20th century, European assassins and violent troublemakers were called anarchists. The term can mean a lot of things.

By definition, I suppose, anarchy is not a well organized movement.

Is anyone arguing that these guys were mentally ill? Most right-wing assassinations are attributed to mental illness not political fanaticism. Who first called them anarchists?

I'm asking because these guys sound like right-wing-nuts, not anarchists.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
14. They sound like people who wanted to overthrow the government.
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 10:02 AM
Aug 2012

As the media is reporting they wanted to overthrow the government and kill the president I can only assume the same media is accurately reporting their motives.

Lots of people, sadly, are assigning motives without any basis, i.e. they're white so they must be racist. Except one of the accused appears to be South Pacific Islander.

Unless folks slow down and stop trying to drive a narrative then only thing that is going to happen is a bunch of nasty, hateful slurs are going to be tossed around on the presumption that nasty, hateful slurs are what prompted the plotters. If people are so convinced that nasty, hateful slurs can lead to violence they should take their own advice -- unless violence is what they're hoping for.

The last thing we need is for reckless talk making statements that may very well be proven untrue as the reporting uncovers more details. "Fools rush-in," and all that.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
21. I found
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 11:24 AM
Aug 2012

an article about those 5 chuckleheads in Cleveland and a bunch of stuff about the Black Bloc starting a bunch of riots.

How'd I do?

annabanana

(52,791 posts)
11. "he used the Army to recruit militia members"
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 09:50 AM
Aug 2012

(Exactly what the DHS report said.)

This may be just the most active cell. . . Or maybe not...

The Secret Service had damn well better be on point.

mfcorey1

(11,001 posts)
12. This needs to really be sent to everyone you know. Military men plotting overthrow of the
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 09:57 AM
Aug 2012

government and assassination of the President has moved from third-world countries to the streets of America.

Hubert Flottz

(37,726 posts)
17. An example needs to be made, if the charges are proven.
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 10:27 AM
Aug 2012

Are these just a "Few Bad Apples," or does this go on up the chain of command too, like Abu Ghraib?

Edit...better check Pvt. Pyle there on the right side, top row or your picture and see if that's a jelly donut in his foot locker.

uponit7771

(90,359 posts)
18. $500,000usd life insurance for the wife of a miliatry pvt?! Not even PFC?! Ummm ...yeah...
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 10:32 AM
Aug 2012

..these people have some real issues.

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