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Atticus

(15,124 posts)
Fri Jul 5, 2019, 08:31 AM Jul 2019

Deep breath----take a step back----"ungrit" your teeth and relax those shoulder muscles.

There are more us than them.

We have over a dozen qualified, intelligent, decent people seeking our party's nomination.

We---and the above-referenced Democratic hopefuls---actually agree on most of what we want for our nation.

While the PTB have made it inconvenient for many of us, we are still able to vote for our leaders.

We are smarter than we realize and have resources---courage, tenacity and common sense---that we have overlooked for too long.

WE. ARE. RIGHT!

Vote for the Democrat!

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Deep breath----take a step back----"ungrit" your teeth and relax those shoulder muscles. (Original Post) Atticus Jul 2019 OP
Unfortunately, none of that matters if our votes aren't secured and counted Siwsan Jul 2019 #1
"The system is rigged" is Trump's line and is meant to discourage us. The more who adopt the Atticus Jul 2019 #2
Thank you. defacto7 Jul 2019 #5
I don't have a "what's the use" attitude. I am a fighter but I am also realistic. Siwsan Jul 2019 #6
We can overwhelm the cheat machine Farmer-Rick Jul 2019 #9
It's said that it is beyond difficult to steal an election when the turn out is high. Siwsan Jul 2019 #10
Good points all. Farmer-Rick Jul 2019 #11
I know it's hard to keep that positve attitude Butterflylady Jul 2019 #12
all the more reason bdamomma Jul 2019 #3
And drag people out there, with us! Siwsan Jul 2019 #7
It all matters. There is no "nothing matters" in the equation. defacto7 Jul 2019 #4
We all have our own way of stating things Siwsan Jul 2019 #8
IHA...........................................................I Hate Acronyms Firestorm49 Jul 2019 #13
Doesn't feel like there are more of us. OliverQ Jul 2019 #14
40% of them means 60% of us. Therefore, there are more of us. lagomorph777 Jul 2019 #15
Most of those 60% don't vote, whereas probably all the 40% do. OliverQ Jul 2019 #16
You think the 60% aren't well and truly terrified and motivated now? lagomorph777 Jul 2019 #19
I hope they are, but 2018 OliverQ Jul 2019 #20
The 27% number is a hypothetical mathematical possibility. lagomorph777 Jul 2019 #21
I see more people who care about Stranger Things than they do about voting Skittles Jul 2019 #22
VOTE FOR BLUE, NO MATTER WHO! nt Baltimike Jul 2019 #17
But who counts the votes [and how do they count]. usaf-vet Jul 2019 #18

Siwsan

(26,288 posts)
1. Unfortunately, none of that matters if our votes aren't secured and counted
Fri Jul 5, 2019, 08:41 AM
Jul 2019

And I have no reason to believe anything will change, from 2016. In fact, my fear is the suppression and interference will be increased.

Atticus

(15,124 posts)
2. "The system is rigged" is Trump's line and is meant to discourage us. The more who adopt the
Fri Jul 5, 2019, 08:49 AM
Jul 2019

"What's the use?" attitude, the lower the election day turnout.

Let's acknowledge the argument, but not allow it to become a self-fulfilling prophesy.

Siwsan

(26,288 posts)
6. I don't have a "what's the use" attitude. I am a fighter but I am also realistic.
Fri Jul 5, 2019, 09:02 AM
Jul 2019

Unless more people start pushing HARD for voter turn out, available and conveniently located polling places, and vote security, we will be in a worse position, come 2020. Hopefully that fulfills acknowledging the argument.

And pardon my grumpiness. High heat and humidity, a whonky knee and broken toes has me wincing and snarling, today.

Farmer-Rick

(10,199 posts)
9. We can overwhelm the cheat machine
Fri Jul 5, 2019, 09:04 AM
Jul 2019

That is how Obama did it. That is how we got the House back.

More and More and more and more voters need to come out.

Siwsan

(26,288 posts)
10. It's said that it is beyond difficult to steal an election when the turn out is high.
Fri Jul 5, 2019, 09:07 AM
Jul 2019

And wasn't it Bill Clinton who said, when the turn out is high, Democrats win. Or something like that.

Butterflylady

(3,546 posts)
12. I know it's hard to keep that positve attitude
Fri Jul 5, 2019, 09:19 AM
Jul 2019

But we can't afford another 4 years of the anal idiot. We have to make sure everyone knows what he's doing to this country. If we don't it will become the USR instead of the USA and that should be enough to scare anyone, well most of us, the magats are beyond our help. So, hang in because there is light at the end this long dark tunnel.

bdamomma

(63,917 posts)
3. all the more reason
Fri Jul 5, 2019, 08:58 AM
Jul 2019

why we need to get out there. No sitting home this time around. This is what the right is hoping for.

Vote them out!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

OliverQ

(3,363 posts)
14. Doesn't feel like there are more of us.
Fri Jul 5, 2019, 10:25 AM
Jul 2019

The amount of people that worship this man is terrifying. The fact that his approval never drops much below 40% is scary. I think this country is is a lost cause.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
19. You think the 60% aren't well and truly terrified and motivated now?
Fri Jul 5, 2019, 11:52 AM
Jul 2019

Did you see what we did in 2018?

 

OliverQ

(3,363 posts)
20. I hope they are, but 2018
Fri Jul 5, 2019, 12:57 PM
Jul 2019

didn't involve the electoral college. Only takes 27% of voters in the right places to re-elect him.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
21. The 27% number is a hypothetical mathematical possibility.
Fri Jul 5, 2019, 02:31 PM
Jul 2019

In real life, it's not achievable, not even close. Don't believe the hucksters of hopelessness.

usaf-vet

(6,194 posts)
18. But who counts the votes [and how do they count].
Fri Jul 5, 2019, 11:10 AM
Jul 2019

Remember it's not who votes that counts it's who count the votes, [and how they count]?

Here is a more detailed version and explanation.

In short: it is apocryphal quote, i.e. not from some published texts of Stalin but from memoirs of some person who claims to be Stalin secretary for some time in 1920s (unconfirmed). It says (apply correction for several translations back and forth):“I consider it completely unimportant who in the party will vote, or how; but what is extraordinarily important is this — who will count the votes, and how.”. It was not about voting in general, but about one specific vote of Central Committee of Communist Party. Stalin was chairman of Central Committee and was responsible for the organization of its meetings.

https://www.quora.com/What-did-Stalin-mean-when-he-said-Those-who-vote-decide-nothing-Those-who-count-the-vote-decide-everything
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