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hlthe2b

(102,373 posts)
Sat Jul 6, 2019, 08:23 PM Jul 2019

**BREAKING** Jeffrey Epstein Arrested For Sex Trafficking of Minors

Last edited Sat Jul 6, 2019, 09:05 PM - Edit history (3)

While this is all over twitter, so far Daily Beast has the scoop it appears. DB is typically a good source, so I'm posting it but hope to see other MSM sources confirm soon

Updated with additional MSM sources including NBC and Miami-Herald:

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Jeffrey-Epstein-Arrest-Sources-Upper-East-Side-Mansion--512309731.html

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/state/florida/article232374872.html#storylink=mainstage_lead

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/jeffrey-epstein-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-of-minors-in-florida-and-new-york-report

The billionaire pedophile was reportedly arrested on Saturday night and will appear in New York court on Monday to be charged with sex trafficking, according to law enforcement.



https://www.thedailybeast.com/jeffrey-epstein-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-of-minors-source

Billionaire pedophile Jeffrey Epstein was arrested for allegedly sex trafficking dozens of minors in New York and Florida between 2002 and 2005, and will appear in court in New York on Monday, according to three law enforcement sources. The arrest comes about 12 years after the 66-year-old financier essentially got a slap on the wrist for allegedly molesting dozens of underage girls in Florida.

For more than a decade, Epstein’s alleged abuse of minors has been the subject of lawsuits brought by victims, investigations by local and federal authorities, and exposés in the press. But despite the attention cast on his alleged sex crimes, the hedge-funder has managed to avoid any meaningful jail time, let alone federal charges.

The new charges allege that Epstein sexually exploited dozens of underage girls in a now-familiar scheme: paying them cash for "massages" and then molesting or sexually abusing them in his Upper East Side mansion or his palatial residence in Palm Beach. Several employees and associates allegedly recruited the girls for Epstein's abuse, and some victims eventually became recruiters themselves, according to law enforcment. The girls were as young as 14, and Epstein knew they were underage, according to police.

Epstein's attorney, Martin Weinberg, declined to comment when reached by The Daily Beast on Saturday night.

In an era where #MeToo has toppled powerful men, Epstein’s name was largely absent from the national conversation, until the Miami Herald published a three-part series on how his wealth, power and influence shielded him from federal prosecution. For years, The Daily Beast reported on Epstein’s easy jail sentence and soft treatment by the U.S. Attorney’s Office, which ultimately scrapped a 53-page indictment against Epstein. An earlier version of Epstein’s plea deal included a 10-year federal sentence—before his star-studded lawyers threatened to go to trial in a case prosecutors feared was unwinnable, in part because Epstein’s team dredged up dirt on the victims, including social media posts indicating drug use.


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**BREAKING** Jeffrey Epstein Arrested For Sex Trafficking of Minors (Original Post) hlthe2b Jul 2019 OP
Interesting that he's getting arraigned in a New York court FakeNoose Jul 2019 #1
Yes leftieNanner Jul 2019 #6
In this administration Scarsdale Jul 2019 #124
Dirty Bits!!! leftieNanner Jul 2019 #125
Shady criminal behavior is a job requirement in this administration IronLionZion Jul 2019 #135
Jeffrey Epstein Arrested in NYC on Sex Trafficking-Related Charges: Sources LiberalArkie Jul 2019 #24
The case is in the Southern District of New York. I hope NYS can get him on something too. George II Jul 2019 #25
He was returning to the US from Paris. Was arrested when he arrived in NY! Roland99 Jul 2019 #92
He shouldn't be allowed to travel internationally. LuvNewcastle Jul 2019 #121
Hopefully justice is working. Iliyah Jul 2019 #2
If this is true it could be bad for Trump? doc03 Jul 2019 #3
Maybe.. I don't think it is good for Dershowitz who has escalated his meltdown response to hlthe2b Jul 2019 #5
Post removed Post removed Jul 2019 #8
Alex Acosta Sec. of Labor cut Epstein a sweet deal when he was lead prosecuter MadLinguist Jul 2019 #19
That ferret-faced scumbucket was right behind LOSER45 as he recounted the taking of the airports Leghorn21 Jul 2019 #47
Are there new photos showing them together? pecosbob Jul 2019 #114
Could be ck4829 Jul 2019 #149
Show no mercy for at140 Jul 2019 #4
ABSOLUTELY!!! leftieNanner Jul 2019 #9
I have never understood why adults do that. Blue_true Jul 2019 #26
Their brains are in their zippers. BigmanPigman Jul 2019 #74
No-it's power and abuse. 58Sunliner Jul 2019 #102
Sick means it's not their fault customerserviceguy Jul 2019 #80
It has to be sickness of brain at140 Jul 2019 #99
Yeah, that reason seem to define their problem and society's problem controlling them. nt Blue_true Jul 2019 #100
May this lead to many more arrests. MineralMan Jul 2019 #7
Many more arrests of men leftieNanner Jul 2019 #10
I don't know who will be swept up MineralMan Jul 2019 #12
I read more of the article leftieNanner Jul 2019 #15
truthfully barbtries Jul 2019 #77
Is he out on bail or are they holding him over the weekend in jail? leftieNanner Jul 2019 #11
If he goes to his island he is most certainly gldstwmn Jul 2019 #103
We can only hope leftieNanner Jul 2019 #104
The thing is he traffics girls there too. gldstwmn Jul 2019 #108
The article in the Miami Herald cites a source that says they want to deny him bail pecosbob Jul 2019 #115
He's remanded over the weekend to Manhattan Correctional Center (MCC) hlthe2b Jul 2019 #146
Thanks leftieNanner Jul 2019 #147
This is a Federal indictment--SDNY hlthe2b Jul 2019 #13
SDNY is sniffing around in a lot of stuff. And all of it has some connection to Trump. Blue_true Jul 2019 #33
Yeah, that's what I'm afraid of. Barr is over the SDNY. He can squash everything. Too bad it... brush Jul 2019 #52
Conviction rate in the high 90s grantcart Jul 2019 #55
can Trump pardon him ? JI7 Jul 2019 #14
Not until he's convicted leftieNanner Jul 2019 #16
They can be pardoned for Federal crimes at any juncture, including prior to trial/conviction hlthe2b Jul 2019 #21
Thank you for this excellent explanation leftieNanner Jul 2019 #27
Frankly, I think DUers in general have learned more about law, especially Constitutional law in past hlthe2b Jul 2019 #28
If only we could get more of that con law leftieNanner Jul 2019 #29
Our governor pardoned 29 witnesses to the governor's crimes. alfredo Jul 2019 #131
Probably cost him his reelection though--inadequate consequence though that might be... hlthe2b Jul 2019 #132
It sunk his hopes of reelection, even though he was supported by the Christian right. alfredo Jul 2019 #134
Also DallasNE Jul 2019 #62
If Trump does pardon Epstein, that would surely be enough to change opinions/loyalty of even the Frustratedlady Jul 2019 #63
Maybe that's what called Mike Pants leftieNanner Jul 2019 #65
Possibly Bill Clinton as well RVN VET71 Jul 2019 #89
Show us evidence Clinton was ever with Epstein. Nt Nuggets Jul 2019 #151
I looked for photos and all I found were obvious fakes, stupid fakes, and side-by-side photos RVN VET71 Jul 2019 #152
Can NYS Bring Him To Trial If There Is A Pardon Me. Jul 2019 #86
If there are NY State-specific crimes for which they can charge, yes. hlthe2b Jul 2019 #90
This Is Why I Ask Me. Jul 2019 #93
I'd be surprised if NYS was not fully apprised, well along in their own investigation(s) or pouring hlthe2b Jul 2019 #95
+ Me. Jul 2019 #98
elderBush pardoned Casper Weinberger without a conviction. keithbvadu2 Jul 2019 #101
It is a Federal indictment, so possible. Not without an explosive aftermath, though hlthe2b Jul 2019 #17
Maybe Dershowitz can be his lawyer Voltaire2 Jul 2019 #18
That's a good one. Dershie is already f'd and he'd just be f'ing himself even more. erronis Jul 2019 #53
I Don't Think Dershowitz CAN Be His Lawyer ChoppinBroccoli Jul 2019 #91
Court to unseal up to 2,000 pages of Jeffrey Epstein-related documents blaze Jul 2019 #20
NBC 4, New York is reporting it teach1st Jul 2019 #22
Additional MSM sources confirming including NBC affiliate. Updated OP hlthe2b Jul 2019 #23
Miami Herald has it now (they've been the real "vanguard" of this for some time--great reporting) hlthe2b Jul 2019 #30
Yep malaise Jul 2019 #54
I'll drink to that...... Hotler Jul 2019 #31
Perversion of justice struggle4progress Jul 2019 #32
ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME???!?!????!?!??!???!?!! Leghorn21 Jul 2019 #34
I second your reaction! leftieNanner Jul 2019 #94
I just wanted to tell you that your post tickled the hell out of me renate Jul 2019 #97
Add in Raw Story LiberalArkie Jul 2019 #35
I think you are excited... Funny how even the suggestion of Justice actually being delivered hlthe2b Jul 2019 #42
Being federal, I don't expect any justice as he will flip on "The Don" LiberalArkie Jul 2019 #46
"Let us realize the arc of the moral universe is long... jmbar2 Jul 2019 #67
I bet a lot of rich perverts are shitting bricks Skittles Jul 2019 #36
As an artist I naturally visualize a lot BigmanPigman Jul 2019 #76
"Epstein" trending at #5!!! Leghorn21 Jul 2019 #37
Comrade benedict donald tiptonic Jul 2019 #38
Epstein was flying from Paris to New York and was arrested Saturday, the sources said. LiberalArkie Jul 2019 #39
NYT grandpamike1 Jul 2019 #40
Add in Huffpost LiberalArkie Jul 2019 #41
Dump will pardon him SHRED Jul 2019 #43
He could.. Just add it to his impeachable offenses, if so and if he ends up being implicated. hlthe2b Jul 2019 #45
That's what friends are for... Scurrilous Jul 2019 #57
That one should be framed and mounted in the White House as his formal portrait. Judi Lynn Jul 2019 #84
I was thinking she looked high ... mr_lebowski Jul 2019 #116
That's what she looks like to me. LuvNewcastle Jul 2019 #122
Everybody wants to know . . . is His Royal Highness King Bonespurs involved??? Vinca Jul 2019 #44
This message was self-deleted by its author Leghorn21 Jul 2019 #48
im sick and tired of some of these rich people getting away with crimes and being let off the hook. AllaN01Bear Jul 2019 #49
Protestor at MF45 pep rally June 20 2018 Leghorn21 Jul 2019 #50
Looks like a MAGAt made an attempt to crumple his pic. oasis Jul 2019 #60
Wonderful news! SharonAnn Jul 2019 #51
So is this the super secret underground elite pedophile ring??? Initech Jul 2019 #56
yup, and this one was real Hermit-The-Prog Jul 2019 #113
What Dirty Donnie said about his pal Jeff. Kid Berwyn Jul 2019 #58
And Rapist45 likes 'em "on the younger side", too. He bragged that he Tanuki Jul 2019 #66
How an imbecilic, demented pervert became President only Putin knows. Kid Berwyn Jul 2019 #73
He was credibly accused of barging into the teen pageant dressing room by 4 girls ... mr_lebowski Jul 2019 #118
good Demovictory9 Jul 2019 #59
It's workin for John Dean!: Leghorn21 Jul 2019 #61
goes to show that money doesn't make your life happy uptrumps_but Jul 2019 #64
This sick pedo may take down politicians that the DU likes as well as Trump and Dersh Tarc Jul 2019 #68
I don't like anyone who diddles children. gldstwmn Jul 2019 #105
This message was self-deleted by its author Mister Ed Jul 2019 #126
The truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. Mister Ed Jul 2019 #127
+1 ck4829 Jul 2019 #150
It's all over everywhere now - Miami Herald, NBC, CNN, NY Times, even Washington Examiner! George II Jul 2019 #69
From the Miami Herald article pecosbob Jul 2019 #117
They were discussing this on MSNBC a few minutes ago - there probably is a good chance.... George II Jul 2019 #128
Great news that this pervert is off the streets. nt iluvtennis Jul 2019 #70
About time!! nt Duppers Jul 2019 #71
Interesting photo surfaced when a protester held it up in front of Trump: Judi Lynn Jul 2019 #72
Let's see Epstein and his friends go down in flames. Aaron Pereira Jul 2019 #75
Great! It'd be better if it was state court where Shitler can't pardon him, but this is still good! SunSeeker Jul 2019 #78
Several prosecutors commenting on the fact it is PUBLIC CORRUPTION prosecutors handling hlthe2b Jul 2019 #79
Yes, if you get a link to the filing, please post it. Thanks! nt SunSeeker Jul 2019 #109
I hope he rats out Trump's pedophilia vlyons Jul 2019 #81
What's funny is if you go to FreeState Jul 2019 #85
Update from Julie K Brown: Leghorn21 Jul 2019 #82
This News Just Knocks Me Out Me. Jul 2019 #83
My weekend just got better... llmart Jul 2019 #87
You know he's going to say he didn't know him. gldstwmn Jul 2019 #107
Finally. dalton99a Jul 2019 #88
Where's Pence? moondust Jul 2019 #96
This could get interesting still_one Jul 2019 #106
Maybe finally justice Hekate Jul 2019 #110
This message was self-deleted by its author Duppers Jul 2019 #111
this is enormous breakthrough, bigger than Mueller, IMO AlexSFCA Jul 2019 #112
Can't wait to see his new pruson hair cut. He's come soooo close to getting ... marble falls Jul 2019 #119
More from Daily Beast: Dershowtiz' reaction.....(!!!) hlthe2b Jul 2019 #120
Here's the WAPO in case you want another really vettted source lindysalsagal Jul 2019 #123
Bravo Miami Herald for dogged pursuit of this slime ball, and his friends. FailureToCommunicate Jul 2019 #129
Absolutely. demmiblue Jul 2019 #130
Maurene Comey (one of the SDNY prosecutors) and her father, Jim Comey.... hlthe2b Jul 2019 #133
More implications: Did M. Cohen tip off SDNY? Does he know why then 13 yo victim dropped her suit hlthe2b Jul 2019 #136
This Twitter account links it ALL together bucolic_frolic Jul 2019 #137
More tming of Epstein's arrest: FBI notified of his flight and were waiting at ariport to arrest. hlthe2b Jul 2019 #138
Seth Abramson has it right on this: Epstein trafficking case must be allowed to lead where it leads. hlthe2b Jul 2019 #139
BTW - I forgot to congratulate you for making the best breaking news ... marble falls Jul 2019 #140
How nice, marble falls! hlthe2b Jul 2019 #143
G.O.P. Dream Ticket: Judge Roy Moore and Jeff Epstein 2020 MikeJelf Jul 2019 #141
May he go down in flames and take Trumpenstein with him. ariadne0614 Jul 2019 #142
Amazing post. A thousand thanks. It IS more important than the Mueller report. AND if Nancy ancianita Jul 2019 #144
Why Barr may not be able to intervene on Epstein--something he said before Congress: hlthe2b Jul 2019 #145
Kick ck4829 Jul 2019 #148

FakeNoose

(32,767 posts)
1. Interesting that he's getting arraigned in a New York court
Sat Jul 6, 2019, 08:25 PM
Jul 2019

His other trial and hearings were in Florida, am I right?
This is awesome news if it's true!

leftieNanner

(15,152 posts)
6. Yes
Sat Jul 6, 2019, 08:28 PM
Jul 2019

Alex Acosta was the US Atty in that Florida jurisdiction who let Epstein off the hook. Too bad Acosta was punished for that.... wait... what? He's a Cabinet Secretary in Washington DC right now? Really? Gee, you would think that would be a BAD thing to have on your resume.

Anyway - hope Epstein gets some hard time in a real prison.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
124. In this administration
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 09:04 AM
Jul 2019

the fact that he helped Epstein avoid the law is a good thing. Probably that is what endeared him to the orange anus in the WH. I bet Allan Dirty Bits is upset about this, too.

IronLionZion

(45,530 posts)
135. Shady criminal behavior is a job requirement in this administration
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 01:54 PM
Jul 2019

and yes, Alex Acosta is the US Secretary of Labor.

LiberalArkie

(15,728 posts)
24. Jeffrey Epstein Arrested in NYC on Sex Trafficking-Related Charges: Sources
Sat Jul 6, 2019, 08:54 PM
Jul 2019
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Jeffrey-Epstein-Arrest-Sources-Upper-East-Side-Mansion--512309731.html


Jeffrey Epstein, a wealthy, politically connected Florida financier, was arrested in New York on Saturday evening on sex trafficking-related charges, sources tell NBC 4 New York.
Epstein is expected to appear in federal court in Manhattan on Monday, two law enforcement officials said on a condition of anonymity.
Spokesmen for the FBI and the U.S. Attorney Southern District of New York declined to comment.
A 2008 deal ended a federal investigation that could have landed Epstein, now 66, in prison for life. Instead, he was allowed to plead guilty to lesser state charges that resulted in a 13-month jail sentence and required financial settlements to dozens of his victims. He also had to register as a sex offender.

LuvNewcastle

(16,856 posts)
121. He shouldn't be allowed to travel internationally.
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 08:08 AM
Jul 2019

He's a sex trafficker. One would think he wouldn't even be allowed in other countries, but there are different rules for billionaires.

hlthe2b

(102,373 posts)
5. Maybe.. I don't think it is good for Dershowitz who has escalated his meltdown response to
Sat Jul 6, 2019, 08:28 PM
Jul 2019

the "girl" victim who is suing him and who is represented by the very well regarded David Boies (and who has "defeated" Dersh on related litigation three times before).

Response to doc03 (Reply #3)

MadLinguist

(790 posts)
19. Alex Acosta Sec. of Labor cut Epstein a sweet deal when he was lead prosecuter
Sat Jul 6, 2019, 08:42 PM
Jul 2019

This could stink him (Acosta) out of office. It's be just one more of "the best people' by the wayside

Leghorn21

(13,526 posts)
47. That ferret-faced scumbucket was right behind LOSER45 as he recounted the taking of the airports
Sat Jul 6, 2019, 09:29 PM
Jul 2019

the other night

I said, I SEE YOU MOTHERFUCKER

my joy quotient is currently OFF THE CHARTS!!!

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
26. I have never understood why adults do that.
Sat Jul 6, 2019, 08:56 PM
Jul 2019

What is wrong with them? Were they all abused as children, or do they have a sickness?

leftieNanner

(15,152 posts)
10. Many more arrests of men
Sat Jul 6, 2019, 08:30 PM
Jul 2019

in very high places.

Question - what if The Orange One is credibly implicated in this? Can the State of New York indict a sitting President?

MineralMan

(146,331 posts)
12. I don't know who will be swept up
Sat Jul 6, 2019, 08:34 PM
Jul 2019

in this. Who will he rat on? He knows a great deal, I'm certain. Will he provide evidence? In exchange for...?

leftieNanner

(15,152 posts)
15. I read more of the article
Sat Jul 6, 2019, 08:38 PM
Jul 2019

And it's SDNY (Federal) not state prosecutors, so that answers my indictment question. If he's implicated though, it could be really ugly. Wouldn't it be interesting if this proves to be the "downward spiral" that the British Ambassador referenced?

leftieNanner

(15,152 posts)
11. Is he out on bail or are they holding him over the weekend in jail?
Sat Jul 6, 2019, 08:31 PM
Jul 2019

I would consider him to be a serious flight risk.

hlthe2b

(102,373 posts)
146. He's remanded over the weekend to Manhattan Correctional Center (MCC)
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 06:52 PM
Jul 2019
Name: JEFFREY EDWARD EPSTEIN Register Number: 76318-054 Age: 66 Race: White Sex: Male Release Date: UNKNOWN Located At: MCC New York



Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
33. SDNY is sniffing around in a lot of stuff. And all of it has some connection to Trump.
Sat Jul 6, 2019, 09:09 PM
Jul 2019

I wonder whether they are sharing information with New York State prosecutors on the downlow. Looks like something from New York may eventually level that grotesque person.

brush

(53,871 posts)
52. Yeah, that's what I'm afraid of. Barr is over the SDNY. He can squash everything. Too bad it...
Sat Jul 6, 2019, 09:41 PM
Jul 2019

not New York State.

leftieNanner

(15,152 posts)
16. Not until he's convicted
Sat Jul 6, 2019, 08:39 PM
Jul 2019

Because to accept a pardon means to accept guilt. Which would open the floodgates of civil lawsuits from the women.

At least, that's my understanding.

hlthe2b

(102,373 posts)
21. They can be pardoned for Federal crimes at any juncture, including prior to trial/conviction
Sat Jul 6, 2019, 08:46 PM
Jul 2019

Five myths about presidential pardons

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/five-myths/five-myths-about-presidential-pardons/2018/06/06/18447f84-69ba-11e8-bf8c-f9ed2e672adf_story.html?utm_term=.8f0cf6f2edf3

Myth No. 1
You must be charged and convicted before you can be pardoned.

Social media discussions about Trump and his pardons are rife with errors, with hundreds of commenters believing that only people convicted of a crime can be pardoned. “Must go to trial & *be convicted* before pardon can be offered,” reads one such tweet. Another taunts, “@realDonaldTrump hey dummy, you have to be CONVICTED OF A CRIME before you can pardon...yourself.” After all, some state governors are limited in this way.

Presidents are not. Most pardons are funneled to the president through the Justice Department’s Office of the Pardon Attorney, which considers applications only from people who have already served their sentences. But presidents can, and do, bypass that process. In Ex parte Garland , the Supreme Court settled the question of preemptive pardons. The justices in that 1866 case decided that while pardons could reach only past acts, the pardon “may be exercised at any time after [the act’s] commission, either before legal proceedings are taken or during their pendency or after conviction and judgment.”

Even before Garland, President Abraham Lincoln (among others) pardoned dozens of people — including alleged traitors — preemptively. More recently, President Jimmy Carter pardoned hundreds of thousands of Vietnam draft evaders, including those who had not been charged or convicted. And, most famously, President Gerald Ford pardoned President Richard Nixon, who had not yet been charged with anything.

hlthe2b

(102,373 posts)
28. Frankly, I think DUers in general have learned more about law, especially Constitutional law in past
Sat Jul 6, 2019, 09:02 PM
Jul 2019

few years, than about any other place.

leftieNanner

(15,152 posts)
29. If only we could get more of that con law
Sat Jul 6, 2019, 09:04 PM
Jul 2019

To WORK!

I'm thinking of a certain Orange person right now.

alfredo

(60,077 posts)
131. Our governor pardoned 29 witnesses to the governor's crimes.
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 12:29 PM
Jul 2019

Ernie Fletcher, R Ky. He had a secret door in his office installed to escape reporter or constituent questions.

DallasNE

(7,403 posts)
62. Also
Sat Jul 6, 2019, 09:53 PM
Jul 2019

A pardon only applies to past acts. It also removes 5th Amendment protections for the pardoned crime so he could be compelled to testify under oath, subject to perjury.

Frustratedlady

(16,254 posts)
63. If Trump does pardon Epstein, that would surely be enough to change opinions/loyalty of even the
Sat Jul 6, 2019, 09:59 PM
Jul 2019

staunchest of Repukes.

Just got a thought...what if Trump's name is on the list of clients that used Epstein's sex ring? That might throw a wrench into any possibility of a pardon for Epstein.


I'd bet a dime to a donut that Trump was one of his clients.

RVN VET71

(2,698 posts)
89. Possibly Bill Clinton as well
Sat Jul 6, 2019, 10:55 PM
Jul 2019

Both he and Trump were known to associate with this man, attend functions on his private island, that sort of things. It doesn't mean that either of them partook of the underage masseuses, but Trump, you will recall, said he like Epstein and that Epsteins parties included beautiful women, some of whom were on the young side.

If either Clinton or Trump actually made use of the "services" of underage girls at any of Epstein's functions, they may well be in deep, deep do-do. Although Derschowitz to have gotten "massages" from women in Epsteins' pay, there was never a report that any were underage or that anything sexual occurred during them. So maybe Trump and Clinton only went to the parties for a back rub?

RVN VET71

(2,698 posts)
152. I looked for photos and all I found were obvious fakes, stupid fakes, and side-by-side photos
Tue Jul 16, 2019, 09:20 AM
Jul 2019

The right wing done did me in, Nuggets. I have no idea whether Clinton and Epstein ever got together and partied, but I do know that right wingers like Breitbart are supportive of the fabricated stories that they did.

None of the so-called "evidence" I found would persuade any but the lost souls, sadists, and POS's of the American conservative movement. It's dumb, it's obviously false, it's shameful.

But then I thought to myself, wait a minute, I didn't get this "news" from anti-intellectual organs like Breitbart. It must have drifted into my consciousness from innuendos on the "liberal" media. So my cynicism directed me at the wrong target. These days, there's so much to be cynical about that it's inevitable the cynics gun will mis-fire and hit the wrong target occasionally. In this case it did. So screw the so called "liberal" media for the low-life pandering bastards they frequently are.

So I stand (sit, actually) admonished before the world,Nugget. Whatever else might be said about Bill Clinton, his association with Jeffrey Epstein -- especially the issue of whether he ever had a massage from a teenager (perhaps one resembling a middle-aged Russian, like the one who gave Dershowitz a rub-a-dub?) with or without underpants -- clearly lacks any serious evidence.

hlthe2b

(102,373 posts)
90. If there are NY State-specific crimes for which they can charge, yes.
Sat Jul 6, 2019, 10:59 PM
Jul 2019

Sex-trafficking involves interstate movement, so it makes sense this is a Federal indictment. We'll see when the actual charges are made public, but the fact that the Federal prosecutors are with SDNY-Public Corruption, may suggest a very wide scope of illegal activity.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
93. This Is Why I Ask
Sat Jul 6, 2019, 11:04 PM
Jul 2019

"paying them cash for "massages" and then molesting or sexually abusing them in his Upper East Side mansion"

hlthe2b

(102,373 posts)
95. I'd be surprised if NYS was not fully apprised, well along in their own investigation(s) or pouring
Sat Jul 6, 2019, 11:09 PM
Jul 2019

through those piles of documents released with the intent to do so. If SDNY has concerns over Barr's potential interference, Federal Prosecutors know they can share with NYS to help those potential cases proceed. Sometimes past "turf" issues can be swept to the wayside for a "greater good".

hlthe2b

(102,373 posts)
17. It is a Federal indictment, so possible. Not without an explosive aftermath, though
Sat Jul 6, 2019, 08:39 PM
Jul 2019

after it was swept under the rug at least once.

erronis

(15,335 posts)
53. That's a good one. Dershie is already f'd and he'd just be f'ing himself even more.
Sat Jul 6, 2019, 09:44 PM
Jul 2019

I'm guessing any friend of Alan or Jeff will be slimed in this. Guessing the dump's mushroom may have been present too.

Come on guys - remember all that good times you had? It's just going to get a hell of a lot more climactic.

ChoppinBroccoli

(3,784 posts)
91. I Don't Think Dershowitz CAN Be His Lawyer
Sat Jul 6, 2019, 11:03 PM
Jul 2019

Since Dershowitz might have information about Epstein, he could potentially be called as a witness against him. Therefore, that counts as a conflict of interest. Dershowitz might also become Epstein's co-defendant, which is also disqualifying.

blaze

(6,373 posts)
20. Court to unseal up to 2,000 pages of Jeffrey Epstein-related documents
Sat Jul 6, 2019, 08:46 PM
Jul 2019

This article is from 7/3/19

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/state/florida/article232251212.html

"A New York federal appeals court on Wednesday ordered the unsealing of up to 2,000 pages of judicial documents that are expected to show evidence relating to whether New York financier Jeffrey Epstein and his partner, Ghislaine Maxwell, were recruiting underage girls and young women as part of an international sex trafficking operation.

The decision comes two days after the Miami Herald urged the court to issue a ruling in the civil case in the wake of last week’s Justice Department announcement in the federal criminal case that it would not void Epstein’s controversial 2008 non-prosecution agreement."

teach1st

(5,935 posts)
22. NBC 4, New York is reporting it
Sat Jul 6, 2019, 08:51 PM
Jul 2019
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Jeffrey-Epstein-Arrest-Sources-Upper-East-Side-Mansion--512309731.html

Jeffrey Epstein, a wealthy, politically connected Florida financier, was arrested in New York on Saturday evening on sex-trafficking related charges, sources tell NBC 4 New York.

Epstein is expected to appear in federal court in Manhattan on Monday, two law enforcement officials said on a condition of anonymity.

Spokesmen for the FBI and the U.S. Attorney Southern District of New York declined to comment.

struggle4progress

(118,349 posts)
32. Perversion of justice
Sat Jul 6, 2019, 09:08 PM
Jul 2019

BY JULIE K. BROWN AND AARON ALBRIGHT
NOV. 28, 2018

in 2007, despite substantial evidence that corroborated the girls’ stories of abuse by Epstein, the U.S. attorney in Miami, Alexander Acosta, signed off on a secret deal for the multimillionaire, one that ensured he would never spend a day in prison.

Acosta, now President Donald Trump’s secretary of labor, agreed to seal the agreement so that no one — not even Epstein’s victims — would know the full extent of his crimes or who was involved.

This is the story of that deal — and how his victims, more than a decade later, are still fighting a criminal justice system that has stubbornly failed to hold wealthy, powerful men accountable for sexual abuse.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/article221897990.html

Leghorn21

(13,526 posts)
34. ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME???!?!????!?!??!???!?!!
Sat Jul 6, 2019, 09:11 PM
Jul 2019

HOLY MOTHER OF GOD IN HEAVEN WITH THE CHERUBS AND THE PUPPY DOGS

ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS

I am the HAPPIEST PERSON YOU EVER MET

whassuppp LOSER45 how’s your Saturday night coming along???!?

MINE is fuckin PERFECT THANKS FOR ASKING



JULIE K BROWN and the MIAMI HERALD:

RESPECT

LiberalArkie

(15,728 posts)
35. Add in Raw Story
Sat Jul 6, 2019, 09:12 PM
Jul 2019
https://www.rawstory.com/2019/07/trump-pal-jeffrey-epstein-arrested-for-sex-trafficking-dozens-of-minors-report/

A notorious friend of President Donald Trump has reportedly been arrested.

“Billionaire pedophile Jeffrey Epstein was arrested for allegedly sex trafficking dozens of minors in New York and Florida between 2002 and 2005, and will appear in court in New York on Monday, according to three law enforcement sources,” The Daily Beast reported Saturday. “The arrest comes about 12 years after the 66-year-old financier essentially got a slap on the wrist for allegedly molesting dozens of underage girls in Florida.”


hlthe2b

(102,373 posts)
42. I think you are excited... Funny how even the suggestion of Justice actually being delivered
Sat Jul 6, 2019, 09:23 PM
Jul 2019

is no longer taken for granted. BTW, I thought I was replying to Leghorn above you, but maybe you are equally relieved to see this.

LiberalArkie

(15,728 posts)
46. Being federal, I don't expect any justice as he will flip on "The Don"
Sat Jul 6, 2019, 09:28 PM
Jul 2019

But that may be why Pence had to stay in Washington.

Question is What will Trump do to divert attention? It scares me to think about it.

jmbar2

(4,906 posts)
67. "Let us realize the arc of the moral universe is long...
Sat Jul 6, 2019, 10:15 PM
Jul 2019

...but it bends toward justice.”

-Martin Luther King

-James Comey

tiptonic

(765 posts)
38. Comrade benedict donald
Sat Jul 6, 2019, 09:16 PM
Jul 2019

Isn't he buddies, with our own 'comrade Benedict donald'? Seems like i read that somewhere.

Judi Lynn

(160,630 posts)
84. That one should be framed and mounted in the White House as his formal portrait.
Sat Jul 6, 2019, 10:48 PM
Jul 2019

It looks as if he has shamed and compromised her to the point she can't ever look anyone in the eye again. She looks totally demoralized.

That photograph actually tells a lot about the evil inside those guys.

Vinca

(50,304 posts)
44. Everybody wants to know . . . is His Royal Highness King Bonespurs involved???
Sat Jul 6, 2019, 09:25 PM
Jul 2019

Sunday's tweets will be interesting.

Response to hlthe2b (Original post)

Kid Berwyn

(14,964 posts)
58. What Dirty Donnie said about his pal Jeff.
Sat Jul 6, 2019, 09:48 PM
Jul 2019

“I've known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy. He's a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it, Jeffrey enjoys his social life.”

Source: https://www.foxbusiness.com/features/jeffrey-epstein-was-said-to-be-a-witness-against-wall-street-a-fbn-investigation-suggests-otherwise

Tanuki

(14,921 posts)
66. And Rapist45 likes 'em "on the younger side", too. He bragged that he
Sat Jul 6, 2019, 10:10 PM
Jul 2019

abused his position as owner of teen beauty pageants to barge into the contestants' dressing rooms to ogle them when he knew they would be undressed. God only knows what else.

Kid Berwyn

(14,964 posts)
73. How an imbecilic, demented pervert became President only Putin knows.
Sat Jul 6, 2019, 10:22 PM
Jul 2019

And AG Bill Barr is paid by the US taxpayer to keep it that way.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
118. He was credibly accused of barging into the teen pageant dressing room by 4 girls ...
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 03:03 AM
Jul 2019

But he actually bragged (on Stern) about barging into the adult pageant dressing room.

Just providing the facts as a PSA, so you don't lose an argument later with a wingnut

Leghorn21

(13,526 posts)
61. It's workin for John Dean!:
Sat Jul 6, 2019, 09:51 PM
Jul 2019
Jeffrey Epstein Arrested By Feds For Sex Trafficking of Minors.
Keep Labor Secretary Alexander Acosta Away From This
Case, Which It Looked Liked He’d Once Fixed. And Watch
Trump, Jeffrey’s His Friend!






 

uptrumps_but

(14 posts)
64. goes to show that money doesn't make your life happy
Sat Jul 6, 2019, 10:02 PM
Jul 2019

i am sure that a vast majority of us are far happier with less wealth... i am

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
68. This sick pedo may take down politicians that the DU likes as well as Trump and Dersh
Sat Jul 6, 2019, 10:15 PM
Jul 2019

This is great news, I just hope that DU'ers won't equivocate if some of his connections turn out to be to people that we around here like.

Response to Tarc (Reply #68)

Mister Ed

(5,944 posts)
127. The truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 09:27 AM
Jul 2019

That's all I want. Let the chips fall where they may.

George II

(67,782 posts)
69. It's all over everywhere now - Miami Herald, NBC, CNN, NY Times, even Washington Examiner!
Sat Jul 6, 2019, 10:16 PM
Jul 2019

He'll be held at least until Monday morning when the indictment against him is unsealed. Depending on the contents of that and the specific charges, hopefully he won't be released on bail. Maybe he can bunk with Manafort.

pecosbob

(7,543 posts)
117. From the Miami Herald article
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 03:01 AM
Jul 2019

“That bail hearing will be critical because if they grant him bail, he has enough money that he will disappear and they will never get him,’’ a source in New York told the Herald.

George II

(67,782 posts)
128. They were discussing this on MSNBC a few minutes ago - there probably is a good chance....
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 09:47 AM
Jul 2019

....they there will be no bail. He has a private plane and owns an island that he can flee too.

He's probably going to rot in jail until his trial.

hlthe2b

(102,373 posts)
79. Several prosecutors commenting on the fact it is PUBLIC CORRUPTION prosecutors handling
Sat Jul 6, 2019, 10:40 PM
Jul 2019

I hope all the charges are made public Monday. We shall see...


vlyons

(10,252 posts)
81. I hope he rats out Trump's pedophilia
Sat Jul 6, 2019, 10:46 PM
Jul 2019

You know he was one of Trump's pals. They probably attended orgies together

FreeState

(10,584 posts)
85. What's funny is if you go to
Sat Jul 6, 2019, 10:50 PM
Jul 2019

Twitter the MAGAts are saying the exact same thing - only they are tying it to Clinton. So weird too see
The support for different reasons.


Leghorn21

(13,526 posts)
82. Update from Julie K Brown:
Sat Jul 6, 2019, 10:46 PM
Jul 2019
It appears that Epstein was arrested upon his arrival
at Teterboro airport today. His plane records show
he flew into Teterboro from Paris, were he had been
vacationing since June 14.






(had to google! - Teterboro is in NJ)

Me.

(35,454 posts)
83. This News Just Knocks Me Out
Sat Jul 6, 2019, 10:46 PM
Jul 2019

Can Acosta also be arrested for perversion of Justice...and was he an Epstein client?

llmart

(15,553 posts)
87. My weekend just got better...
Sat Jul 6, 2019, 10:52 PM
Jul 2019

and Trumpety Dumpety's just got a whole lot worse. How long until he tweets he never heard of the guy?

This is great news. Let's hope the mainstream media emphasizes the fact that this guy is palsy walsy with Trump. I won't hold my breath.

moondust

(20,006 posts)
96. Where's Pence?
Sat Jul 6, 2019, 11:18 PM
Jul 2019

Maybe Dotard is going to be rounded up so Toady Mike had to rush back to fill his tiny shoes.

Response to hlthe2b (Original post)

AlexSFCA

(6,139 posts)
112. this is enormous breakthrough, bigger than Mueller, IMO
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 01:18 AM
Jul 2019

imagine if discovery reveals photos of trump with...
Independent voters may not like trump’s connection to underage sex trafficking king. I wonder if any of the detained kids were sold into trafficking, no record no proof.

marble falls

(57,236 posts)
119. Can't wait to see his new pruson hair cut. He's come soooo close to getting ...
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 07:21 AM
Jul 2019

away with this stuff.

I hope cheeto is involved with in the muck and mire, too.

hlthe2b

(102,373 posts)
120. More from Daily Beast: Dershowtiz' reaction.....(!!!)
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 08:06 AM
Jul 2019

Alan Dershowitz on Jeffrey Epstein Charges: ‘I’ll Wait to See What the Evidence Is’
https://www.thedailybeast.com/alan-dershowitz-on-jeffrey-epstein-sex-trafficking-charges-ill-wait-to-see-what-the-evidence-is?ref=home

Attorney Alan Dershowitz, who has been caught up in the scandal around Jeffrey Epstein, is taking a wait-and-see stance toward new allegations of sex trafficking against the billionaire. “I’ll wait to see what the evidence is,” Dershowitz told The Daily Beast on Saturday, when asked to comment on Epstein’s arrest. “All I know is what I’ve read on The Daily Beast’s website,” the Harvard Law professor added. “I haven’t been in touch with Epstein for a long time.” Two of Epstein’s accusers have alleged that Dershowitz was either present for or took part in Epstein’s alleged sex ring—accusations that he has vigorously denied. He claims that sealed court documents will prove his innocence.

lindysalsagal

(20,733 posts)
123. Here's the WAPO in case you want another really vettted source
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 08:56 AM
Jul 2019
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/jeffrey-epstein-taken-into-custody-in-new-york-on-new-charges-relating-to-sex-crimes-involving-minors/2019/07/06/06b86ed0-a058-11e9-9ed4-c9089972ad5a_story.html?utm_term=.f2821bf48a11


Bottom line: Trump's Labor Sec Acosta covered up for him 11 years ago......


By Devlin Barrett and Matt Zapotosky July 6 at 10:49 PM

Jeffrey Epstein, the well-connected multimillionaire who was sentenced to just more than a year in jail to resolve allegations that he molested dozens of young girls, has been taken into custody in New York on new charges having to do with sex crimes involving minors, a person familiar with the matter said.

The precise nature of the charges — and how they differ from the previous allegations to which Epstein, now 66, pleaded guilty in 2008 — could not immediately be learned. Epstein attorney Martin Weinberg did not respond to a request for comment late Saturday. A spokesman for the U.S. attorney’s office in Manhattan, where Epstein is expected to appear in federal court this week, declined to comment.

His case was the subject of an investigation by the Miami Herald, which detailed how then-U.S. Attorney Alexander Acosta, now Trump’s labor secretary, shelved a 53-page federal indictment that could have put Epstein behind bars for life. The arrangement is now being investigated by the Justice Department’s Office of Professional Responsibility, which is seeking to determine whether the attorneys involved committed “professional misconduct” in bringing about its close.

The person familiar with the matter said the new charges against Epstein are for conduct similar to those that brought about his plea deal. The person spoke on the condition of anonymity because the specific counts remain under seal.

FailureToCommunicate

(14,022 posts)
129. Bravo Miami Herald for dogged pursuit of this slime ball, and his friends.
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 10:40 AM
Jul 2019

May justice (finally) lead to guilty convictions and jail time.

hlthe2b

(102,373 posts)
136. More implications: Did M. Cohen tip off SDNY? Does he know why then 13 yo victim dropped her suit
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 02:08 PM
Jul 2019

just prior to the election?

Please ask Michael Cohen if he knows why Katie Johnson (13 at the time of the attack in 1994) dropped her rape lawsuit against Donald Trump & Codefendant Jefferey Epstein, 4 days before the 2016 election. Was she threatened? Trump supporters own this, too.

5 What to watch for: -Why did Katie Johnson drop her lawsuit against Trump & Epstein right before the election? -Did Michael Cohen assist the SDNY on this? I was hoping Cohen would be asked this during his congressional testimony. Check out her filing...



hlthe2b

(102,373 posts)
138. More tming of Epstein's arrest: FBI notified of his flight and were waiting at ariport to arrest.
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 04:17 PM
Jul 2019

Thus, it is likely AG Barr may not have been notified prior, thus preventing any heads up with Trump (and thus potentially a similar "heads up" to Epstein, which well have had him turning is plane around.


hlthe2b

(102,373 posts)
139. Seth Abramson has it right on this: Epstein trafficking case must be allowed to lead where it leads.
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 04:38 PM
Jul 2019

No matter who it "scoops" up.... Kids *must* be protected.


marble falls

(57,236 posts)
140. BTW - I forgot to congratulate you for making the best breaking news ...
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 05:26 PM
Jul 2019

piece here I've seen here in a long time. Great catch!

MikeJelf

(37 posts)
141. G.O.P. Dream Ticket: Judge Roy Moore and Jeff Epstein 2020
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 05:48 PM
Jul 2019

If for any cause Trump can't run for reelection, that would be an ideal team to preserve his legacy, after A.G. Barr arranges another pardon, as he did to make the Iran-Contra scandal go away.
Trump could be a drooling vegetable; the pen still could be fitted into his hand to mark an "X" on the document.

ancianita

(36,137 posts)
144. Amazing post. A thousand thanks. It IS more important than the Mueller report. AND if Nancy
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 06:07 PM
Jul 2019

Pelosi knew this was going down, the whole country will know she's the most brilliant politician in history, not just the Democratic Party.

She might just end up president, if only for a month before the general election and the inauguration day. Still. What a thing.

This atheist is praying for no bail this week.



hlthe2b

(102,373 posts)
145. Why Barr may not be able to intervene on Epstein--something he said before Congress:
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 06:42 PM
Jul 2019
A flaw in Barr's obstruction strategy may have left the door open for SDNY to charge Epstein. Barr when asked a/b Epstein's light sentence, said he may recuse on Kirkland & Ellis matters. One of Epstein's attys was K&E partner Jay Lefkowitz. Thx @JumzyRau



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