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LiberalArkie

(15,728 posts)
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 07:35 PM Jul 2019

What Good Does a Pacemaker Do in a Corpse?

Daniel Mascarenhas remembers the exact day he got the idea.

“One of my patients had a pacemaker, and she died,” the Easton, Pennsylvania, cardiologist said, recalling an event in 2002. “I was a little upset. They put in a pacemaker, two days later she was dead, and they buried her with the pacemaker.”

Mascarenhas, 64, is used to his patients being sick, and sometimes dying. But on that day he was troubled by what continued to live on: that peppermint-patty sized device in her chest, which would continue to ping for years to come. That’s a lot of money, he thought, not to mention life-saving technology, buried six feet under.

After seeing this scenario play out over and over, the mild-mannered Indian-American physician came up with a scheme. “I call up the funeral homes. Every week when I have nothing better to do, instead of golfing, I call and find out if they have devices,” he said. If they do, he asks permission from the family to have a mortician remove the device from the body.

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https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/7xga5d/what-good-does-a-pacemaker-do-in-a-corpse

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What Good Does a Pacemaker Do in a Corpse? (Original Post) LiberalArkie Jul 2019 OP
Funeral parlors say the same thing about gold and paladium fillings, right before they take them out TheBlackAdder Jul 2019 #1
They are transplanting these recycled pacemakers in India and have been for some time. hlthe2b Jul 2019 #2
good Demovictory9 Jul 2019 #34
if the device can be reused or recycled for anything by all means rampartc Jul 2019 #3
No more use than a dress Harker Jul 2019 #4
What a fantastic idea! nocoincidences Jul 2019 #5
FDA doesn't allow them to be reimplanted in US, but has protocols for sterilization hlthe2b Jul 2019 #8
Per the article, what he is doing isn't exactly legal. LisaL Jul 2019 #11
I agree with the doctor nini Jul 2019 #6
My Mom was buried with her pacemaker musette_sf Jul 2019 #7
Dogs can used old human pacemakers irisblue Jul 2019 #9
Thanks for that, it's something I did not know Rhiannon12866 Jul 2019 #25
I learn something new almost every time I sign on. ooky Jul 2019 #29
I know! And my puppy just turned 13. Rhiannon12866 Jul 2019 #36
Makes sense, kind of like organ donation... Wounded Bear Jul 2019 #10
Ask Dick Cheney jberryhill Jul 2019 #12
Fuck Cheney! SCVDem Jul 2019 #13
+100...n/t bluecollar2 Jul 2019 #17
You mean he's still alive? smirkymonkey Jul 2019 #31
He has a heart? mwooldri Jul 2019 #20
"Oil" jberryhill Jul 2019 #21
Someone else's heart, since he had a heart transplant. LisaL Jul 2019 #23
Wait, no. Susan Calvin Jul 2019 #26
A worse thought; someone missed out on a transplant because the Dick got it. aidbo Jul 2019 #30
Yep, he had a heart transplant in 2012 at the age of 71. LisaL Jul 2019 #35
My sweet pup Hammy gaiadiversity Jul 2019 #14
+1 !! KT2000 Jul 2019 #15
heh Skittles Jul 2019 #16
what a beautiful furfriend orleans Jul 2019 #18
Adorable pup! Rhiannon12866 Jul 2019 #24
Awww! Hammy is very sweet! smirkymonkey Jul 2019 #32
How ironic, you post a thread telling this story. imanamerican63 Jul 2019 #19
Profit oriented, I would say. Susan Calvin Jul 2019 #27
I've prepaid my cremation left-of-center2012 Jul 2019 #22
I'm glad to hear that. Susan Calvin Jul 2019 #28
I tried to donate my husband's defibrillator... CatMor Jul 2019 #33
According to this site.. Duppers Jul 2019 #39
They never told me it could go to other countries .. CatMor Jul 2019 #40
They probably did. Duppers Jul 2019 #41
the pacemaker belongs to the deceased not the money grubbing doctor wanting to resell it nt msongs Jul 2019 #37
You should actually read the article. Doctor isn't doing it for money. LisaL Jul 2019 #38
And that brings up the point that the govts. of the US & India area51 Jul 2019 #42

TheBlackAdder

(28,214 posts)
1. Funeral parlors say the same thing about gold and paladium fillings, right before they take them out
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 07:42 PM
Jul 2019

.

I wouldn't be surprised if the funeral homes don't pull them out too and sell them on the black market.

They probably get thousands for one.

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hlthe2b

(102,370 posts)
2. They are transplanting these recycled pacemakers in India and have been for some time.
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 07:42 PM
Jul 2019

It is an involved sterilization process with lots of checks along the way if any were curious:

https://www.med.umich.edu/myheartyourheart/pdf/j.jacep.2016.12.007.full%20(1).pdf

rampartc

(5,435 posts)
3. if the device can be reused or recycled for anything by all means
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 07:42 PM
Jul 2019

but this is most important in cases of cremation, where the batteries can damage the chamber or injure the operators.

https://www.neptunesociety.com/cremation-information-articles/why-a-pacemaker-should-be-removed-prior-to-cremation

nocoincidences

(2,230 posts)
5. What a fantastic idea!
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 07:46 PM
Jul 2019

That is technology worth recycling!

Of course, anything this sensible is going to be objectionable to some government body and/or the manufacturer making money off new ones.

This doc is courageous and praise-worthy!!

hlthe2b

(102,370 posts)
8. FDA doesn't allow them to be reimplanted in US, but has protocols for sterilization
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 07:57 PM
Jul 2019

and refurbishing, allowing them to be exported to other countries that request them.

nini

(16,672 posts)
6. I agree with the doctor
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 07:47 PM
Jul 2019

We would have agreed to my dad's being used for another if the option was there.

musette_sf

(10,206 posts)
7. My Mom was buried with her pacemaker
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 07:52 PM
Jul 2019

and I thought, at the time, what a waste, surely they could have taken it and used it for an indigent patient.

irisblue

(33,026 posts)
9. Dogs can used old human pacemakers
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 08:03 PM
Jul 2019

Source--https://www.medicinenet.com/pets/dog-health/human_pacemakers_offer_hope_to_ailing_dogs.htm

Guiedo, a 12-year-old hound mix, recently received a pacemaker after getting diagnosed with heart block, a condition in which the electrical signal that makes the organ contract and pump blood is disrupted.

More at source

ooky

(8,929 posts)
29. I learn something new almost every time I sign on.
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 09:57 PM
Jul 2019

Great stuff, especially to a 9 year old dog owner.

Rhiannon12866

(206,016 posts)
36. I know! And my puppy just turned 13.
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 10:18 PM
Jul 2019

Two of my dogs lived past 18, so I still think of him as a puppy. I'm grateful for all that I've learned here.

Wounded Bear

(58,713 posts)
10. Makes sense, kind of like organ donation...
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 08:09 PM
Jul 2019

Why bury/burn something that could be useful to save another life?

 

gaiadiversity

(60 posts)
14. My sweet pup Hammy
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 08:41 PM
Jul 2019

got an extra 5 healthy happy years of life with a donated, used human pacemaker. I just had to pay for the surgery. A very good way to recycle for both humans and animals.






orleans

(34,073 posts)
18. what a beautiful furfriend
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 09:28 PM
Jul 2019

i'm so glad that you and hammy were able to get a pacemaker.

(stupidly, i didn't realize dogs could have pacemakers)

imanamerican63

(13,815 posts)
19. How ironic, you post a thread telling this story.
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 09:34 PM
Jul 2019

My father died 3 days after they put in a pacemaker in. It was March 2002. I was wondering why, if they knew he wasn't going to make thru the weekend, did they do the procedure. It was not his heart, it was his kidneys that was the cause of his death. All the pacemaker did was complicate things more. I am not a doctor and will never be as smart as some of them, but the doctors who cared for my fathers where incompetent to be said.

Susan Calvin

(1,649 posts)
27. Profit oriented, I would say.
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 09:56 PM
Jul 2019

Or possibly training oriented. My mom had a new central line put in, when they knew perfectly well she was toast. I wasn't in any shape to say no.

CatMor

(6,212 posts)
33. I tried to donate my husband's defibrillator...
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 10:10 PM
Jul 2019

to a person in need but was told they couldn't do that because it was inside his body. I thought they could sterilize it. The cost was 36,000.00. He didn't die of heart failure he had a aneurysm and was brain dead. He was a organ donor and they could put his liver, etc.in someone's body but not the defibrillator. It made no sense to me.

Duppers

(28,127 posts)
39. According to this site..
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 11:18 PM
Jul 2019

They lied to you.

"The sad part,” Mascarenhas said, “is that we could reuse them in this country by re-sterilizing them but nobody wants to do this, because we are a land where we learn to waste.”


Robin Hood-ing cardiologist decided that it was time to salvage the devices that lived beyond their original human hosts.

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/7xga5d/what-good-does-a-pacemaker-do-in-a-corpse



CatMor

(6,212 posts)
40. They never told me it could go to other countries ..
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 11:35 PM
Jul 2019

also, they were removing his organs for donation so it would have been easy to remove the defibrillator. I don't know what happened to it but it's sad if it was thrown away.

LisaL

(44,974 posts)
38. You should actually read the article. Doctor isn't doing it for money.
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 10:55 PM
Jul 2019

He isn't reselling the pacemakers, he is sending them to India to be implanted into patients that can't afford them otherwise.

area51

(11,920 posts)
42. And that brings up the point that the govts. of the US & India
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 08:20 AM
Jul 2019

think their citizens are "useless eaters"; it's why healthcare isn't a human right.

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