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Trolls.. wonder why they call them like that (Original Post) Peacetrain Jul 2019 OP
I relate it to a fishing term lunasun Jul 2019 #1
ahhh that makes sense.. Peacetrain Jul 2019 #3
Yes it could refer to the mythical creatures but there is another definition that I always thought lunasun Jul 2019 #6
I'm pretty sure it's supposed to be number 3 ProudLib72 Jul 2019 #8
That is its actual source. nt tblue37 Jul 2019 #18
I think some trolls are sweet. madaboutharry Jul 2019 #2
so ugly they are cute Peacetrain Jul 2019 #4
they look like an old friend of mine Bill scarytomcat Jul 2019 #20
I never even heard the word used for anything BigmanPigman Jul 2019 #5
Wow. Now you can't ask someone if they are trolling. LakeArenal Jul 2019 #13
This was only about 2 1/2 years ago too! BigmanPigman Jul 2019 #14
It's the fishing reference, not the mythical creature jberryhill Jul 2019 #7
Yup, and we used to say "tick, tick, tick" when we spotted them. Iggo Jul 2019 #15
from the jargon file Hermit-The-Prog Jul 2019 #17
Trolling (looking for) has been used for a long time tymorial Jul 2019 #9
You are exactly right. Lucid Dreamer Jul 2019 #16
They also used to use it for what pimps or pedophiles or any predator does in scanning for victims pecosbob Jul 2019 #10
From "It's Always Sunny..."? Dennis Donovan Jul 2019 #11
Charlie's autobiographical musical wasn't it meant to impress the waitress so he could propose? lunasun Jul 2019 #12
Oh my God that is one of the funniest episodes tymorial Jul 2019 #19

Peacetrain

(22,877 posts)
3. ahhh that makes sense..
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 08:08 PM
Jul 2019

we are having a discussion here.. and one side is saying it is because trolls hide under bridges..they are hiding.. and I thought it was because trolls are ugly, and the things they post are ugly.. but I like yours a whole lot better!!

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
6. Yes it could refer to the mythical creatures but there is another definition that I always thought
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 08:16 PM
Jul 2019

Internet troll came from- the fishing term

troll2
/trōl/
noun
noun: troll; plural noun: trolls
1.
a person who makes a deliberately offensive or provocative online post.
a deliberately offensive or provocative online post.
2.
a line or bait used in trolling for fish.
verb
1.
make a deliberately offensive or provocative online post with the aim of upsetting someone or eliciting an angry response from them.
"if people are obviously trolling then I'll delete your posts and do my best to ban you"
2.
carefully and systematically search an area for something.
"a group of companies trolling for partnership opportunities"
3.
fish by trailing a baited line along behind a boat.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
8. I'm pretty sure it's supposed to be number 3
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 08:20 PM
Jul 2019

A troll puts bait into the thread and just waits for someone to come along and bite.

But then you have some who say "Don't feed the trolls," which is weird because that implies the kind of trolls that live under bridges.

BigmanPigman

(51,611 posts)
5. I never even heard the word used for anything
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 08:16 PM
Jul 2019

except ugly, little ogres and my "wishnik" troll dolls that I used to give haircuts when I was a kid in the 60s. When I joined DU someone accused me of being a troll since I asked a question about Bernie. I had no idea what it meant and if it was an insult.

Iggo

(47,558 posts)
15. Yup, and we used to say "tick, tick, tick" when we spotted them.
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 10:55 PM
Jul 2019

Not the sound of a timer, but the sound of a fishing reel.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,355 posts)
17. from the jargon file
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 03:48 AM
Jul 2019

troll

1. v.,n. [From the Usenet group alt.folklore.urban] To utter a posting on Usenet designed to attract predictable responses or flames; or, the post itself. Derives from the phrase “trolling for newbies” which in turn comes from mainstream “trolling”, a style of fishing in which one trails bait through a likely spot hoping for a bite. The well-constructed troll is a post that induces lots of newbies and flamers to make themselves look even more clueless than they already do, while subtly conveying to the more savvy and experienced that it is in fact a deliberate troll. If you don't fall for the joke, you get to be in on it. See also YHBT.

2. n. An individual who chronically trolls in sense 1; regularly posts specious arguments, flames or personal attacks to a newsgroup, discussion list, or in email for no other purpose than to annoy someone or disrupt a discussion. Trolls are recognizable by the fact that they have no real interest in learning about the topic at hand - they simply want to utter flame bait. Like the ugly creatures they are named after, they exhibit no redeeming characteristics, and as such, they are recognized as a lower form of life on the net, as in, “Oh, ignore him, he's just a troll.” Compare kook.

3. n. [Berkeley] Computer lab monitor. A popular campus job for CS students. Duties include helping newbies and ensuring that lab policies are followed. Probably so-called because it involves lurking in dark cavelike corners.

Some people claim that the troll (sense 1) is properly a narrower category than flame bait, that a troll is categorized by containing some assertion that is wrong but not overtly controversial. See also Troll-O-Meter.

The use of ‘troll’ in any of these senses is a live metaphor that readily produces elaborations and combining forms. For example, one not infrequently sees the warning “Do not feed the troll” as part of a followup to troll postings.

http://catb.org/jargon/html/T/troll.html


Note that the popular depiction of an Internet troll as the mythical creature comes from definition 2, while the fishing reference comes from definition 1.

(Please accept as fact my assertion that I did not post this from under a bridge).

tymorial

(3,433 posts)
9. Trolling (looking for) has been used for a long time
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 08:25 PM
Jul 2019

In the early days of the internet trolling was about looking for some information. I remember this on early BBS and Newsgroups. It was later when forums, comment threads and social media developed that trolling meant "looking for trouble/to harrass" the original looking for information or seeking was dropped in general and trolling became a negative act with troll a pejorative.

My earliest recollection of "trolling" as harrassment was when Yahoo had their news discussion boards which was one gigantic harassment board. It was closed somewhere around 2005 or 2006.

Lucid Dreamer

(584 posts)
16. You are exactly right.
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 11:25 PM
Jul 2019

I was on some old BBS starting back about '78. I ran one from my house at 300 baud dial-up.
Even back then conversations, which, for me, were mostly about modifying electronics and automobiles had some users that posted intentionally "provocative" comments just to cause trouble or start fights. The word "troll" was used back then.

BBS admins had their own groups that discussed best ways to handle the disturbers of the peace. I was never fair. I just removed accounts w/o notice or explanation. Some got back on after face-to-face lecture. Can't do that w/ millions of users tho'.

pecosbob

(7,541 posts)
10. They also used to use it for what pimps or pedophiles or any predator does in scanning for victims
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 08:32 PM
Jul 2019

which is tangential, but it is ironic as well as it's homonymic similarity to the mythical creature.

tymorial

(3,433 posts)
19. Oh my God that is one of the funniest episodes
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 06:28 AM
Jul 2019

I saw that live when the cast toured. Rhea Perlman played Esther on the piano

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