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Peacetrain

(22,877 posts)
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 09:12 PM Jul 2019

Does anyone else think epstein could have a sudden accident before

arraignment... just saying.. it looks like there are a LOT of powerful people caught up with him.. they better have 24 hour guards watching him so something strange does not happen... I hope they have him in the pits of the jail for the next 25 years .. but not before he spills all he knows.. karma has knocked on some really big doors I think..

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Does anyone else think epstein could have a sudden accident before (Original Post) Peacetrain Jul 2019 OP
Russkies? elleng Jul 2019 #1
I think there are a lot of people Peacetrain Jul 2019 #3
Ve haf manyne vays to fix broken tongue, yes?..............nt mitch96 Jul 2019 #8
His only "accident" will be a presidential pardon FakeNoose Jul 2019 #2
If Trump gives him a pardon.. he might as well have signed a confession Peacetrain Jul 2019 #4
Yep FakeNoose Jul 2019 #10
Wondering..if crimes committed in NY by Epstein and others..could the NYAG bring state asiliveandbreathe Jul 2019 #5
You would think so.. You can have Fed charges and state charges at the same time Peacetrain Jul 2019 #6
Yes. Details would be slightly different, but yes... RHMerriman Jul 2019 #9
conspiracy BS IMO nt USALiberal Jul 2019 #7
If friends of Putin are involved, Ilsa Jul 2019 #12
Oh come on. People who cause Putin problems die of natural causes. LisaL Jul 2019 #15
Lots of powerful people are linked to Epstein Polybius Jul 2019 #11
Uh--you remember he's a billionaire, right? librechik Jul 2019 #13
Or, he could mysteriously "DIE" Ferrets are Cool Jul 2019 #14
William Casey. Mme. Defarge Jul 2019 #17
You know it. Laffy Kat Jul 2019 #16

Peacetrain

(22,877 posts)
3. I think there are a lot of people
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 09:17 PM
Jul 2019

powerful people.. people who got him off in the first place in Florida.. crossing their fingers he has a heart attack this weekend.. it is so creepy..to read about what he did..

Peacetrain

(22,877 posts)
4. If Trump gives him a pardon.. he might as well have signed a confession
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 09:18 PM
Jul 2019

that he was part of that... and I think he was..

FakeNoose

(32,645 posts)
10. Yep
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 09:40 PM
Jul 2019

As I understand it, if Epstein accepts a pardon then he can no longer plead the 5th amendment. (It's the same thing as pleading guilty to the charges.) He must testify to all the stuff he's done, plus the stuff he is aware of other people doing. That would mean the many celebrities who have attended his parties over the years.

We talked about the repercussions of presidential pardons whenever it came up for Flynn, Cohen, Stone, Manafort, etc. Anybody who gets a pardon could turn state's evidence in other investigations or trials.

I'm not a lawyer, so I'm only saying stuff I learned from other posters on DU. Please set me straight if this is incorrect.


RHMerriman

(1,376 posts)
9. Yes. Details would be slightly different, but yes...
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 09:29 PM
Jul 2019

SDNY is Southern (federal court) District of New York, so they've filed under federal law.

The New York STATE Attorney General can file charges under state law, and given the apparent involvement of NYPD in the raid on Epstein's home (based on the press photos), presumably the Manhattan District Attorney could file state charges as well.

And of course, the federal pardon power doesn't reach to state or local cases.

And there's also the obvious issue of political fallout, if Barr tries to gum up the works, or Trump is deluded enough to pardon his good buddy Jeff; even as depraved as the majority of GOP lawmakers are these days, they're not going to go on the record of favoring easy treatment for pimps.

Good bet that Acosta resigns to spend more time with his family sooner, rather than later.

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
12. If friends of Putin are involved,
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 09:53 PM
Jul 2019

would it still be "conspiracy BS" to you? People who cause Putin problems tend to be found on the sidewalk, dead from defenestration, or even shot in cold blood in front of witnesses.

There are people leading our government that are either Putin's friends or his useful idiots.

Polybius

(15,437 posts)
11. Lots of powerful people are linked to Epstein
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 09:52 PM
Jul 2019

Not just Trump, but many others. Federal judges, states judges, and very high-level politicians.

Even if Trump never bought girls from him, what if he knew about it and didn't say anything to the police? He had to have at least known. That goes for Epstein's other friend too. They knew.

Ferrets are Cool

(21,107 posts)
14. Or, he could mysteriously "DIE"
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 10:38 PM
Jul 2019

and live comfortably in another country for the rest of his life. It works both ways.

Laffy Kat

(16,383 posts)
16. You know it.
Sun Jul 7, 2019, 11:06 PM
Jul 2019

Smells like mob business to me. Hope he stays away from open windows, helicopters, etc. I want to see his ass in prison for the rest of his life.

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