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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTrump poll numbers prove one thing
41% of people are jerks.
His numbers wont change.
No matter what he does or say, no matter what happens, those 41% of people
will love him no matter what.
Just get a strong democratic candidate and rip him to shreds during the debate.
It wont stop 41% of people voting for him. But it may increase the
number of people who werent going to vote, into voting for the dems.
underpants
(182,829 posts)We were in a restaurant with TVs all over. 44% is weak at this stage of any first term. With the economy going as it is (of course he takes credit) it should be much higher. Frankly he's a jerk and it shows in his numbers.
empedocles
(15,751 posts)Kid Berwyn
(14,909 posts)As nation watched on TV, support plummeted.
Bet Donnie Peebrains will too to about 22% before hes removed from office.
scarytomcat
(1,706 posts)people are getting little to no facts
Kid Berwyn
(14,909 posts)Two sides to every and all that.
But, today, theres the profit motive and zero else.
Tanuki
(14,918 posts)PJMcK
(22,037 posts)The man has zero redeeming qualities. He lies like I breathe. He treats other people like dirt. His policies are consistently awful as if he thinks, "What's the worst thing I could do?"
Anyone who supports him is un-American and sub-human. Period.
MFM008
(19,816 posts)The rape and molestation thing....
watoos
(7,142 posts)I believe that Trump may be at 35% but that's my limit.
Cosmocat
(14,566 posts)it isn't just HIM that these people support.
This country has had decades, I am talking over a quarter century, of extreme brainwashing by right wing media to make the brains of about half the country shut off over "liberal."
His "support" is not just for him.
It is against the evil liberal boogyman.
That 44% number is probably closest, cause end of the day, a near plurality of the country would vote for, well Donald Trump, 100 out of a 100 times over ANYONE with a D behind their names.
As horrible as he is, at their very core, these people believe any D is infinitely worse.
watoos
(7,142 posts)I live among them in central Pa. and to a person they tell me they didn't vote for Trump they voted against Hillary.
This poll was supposed to be about Trump and although people will vote for him no way 44% of the country approves of him personally. I refuse to believe that nearly 50% of our country is racist. bigoted, misogynist, ok with sexual assault, ok with pedophilia, ok with habitual lying, fuck, maybe I'm wrong.
I am here with you, my friend (in central Pa).
I have always wretched at the thought that it was based in racism, been VERY reluctant to give in to that.
SO many around me are otherwise decent, reasonable people, caring and giving, who are liberal hating "conservatives" (LONG before 45 came along, too).
But, things are at such a state now, just can't deny it, as painful as it is for me to accept.
It all comes down to people of color and gays, and these people have been so systematically distanced from reality, decency and civility for so long, there is nothing that anyone on their team can do that is worse than being liberal/demorcrat who fights on behalf of the POC and gays.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,007 posts)CDerekGo
(507 posts)Watch the Dem Debates. The Dem who handles any question, any off the cuff remark from one of the other Candidates is going to be the one to take on the orangesicle. 45 plays dirty, like any 3rd grader would. Not that the Dem would have to be on his level, but be able to spin him right back on his merry-go-round
Martin Eden
(12,870 posts)Trump wants his opponent to get down in the dirt with him. The key is finding a way to get the better of Trump without lowering oneself onto his playing field.
watoos
(7,142 posts)you can't beat Trump using sane logical rebuttals, he will eat you up.
I'm sad to say this, but our candidate is going to have to beat Trump in a debate by ridiculing him, making fun of him, laughing at him. A Narcissist cannot take ridicule.
Martin Eden
(12,870 posts)Speak to the voters we need to persuade.
treestar
(82,383 posts)We have to figure out the swing states. He got every single one, even PA.
Biden running with a strong progressive Dem woman will beat trump. It's who can take it to trump and that is Biden.
tecelote
(5,122 posts)A lot of people don't pay attention.
They just hear "Do you support our President". They don't hear "Do you support Trump".
and who tend to lean toward whatever bullshit republicans scream so passionately because Ds are so passive.
They just hear the screaming and think there is something to it - not to mention their tendency to believe "both are the same" so not matter how horrible Rs are, they reflexively view Ds similarly.
JI7
(89,252 posts)KY_EnviroGuy
(14,492 posts)One, we know many wealthy and business-oriented people will vote GOP regardless, or at least until GOP market and tax policy no longer delivers high margins or we slide into deep recession.
Two, many evangelical Christians (?) consumed and brainwashed by the mega-church business will vote for whomever their preacher instruct them to. That could change to a limited degree when he's hauled into impeachment or federal court with some seriously damaging testimony.
Three, their special motive voting groups they've nurtured for years (guns, veterans, healthcare, etc.) could come unglued if he continues to fail to deliver on campaign promises and rally statements. He is failing in many areas in that regard.
Four - those totally brainwashed by right-wing media for decades who are hopeless but might stay home on election day if things get bad enough.
That's highly simplified list but they have an insanely diverse group that's difficult to predict and we're not even into the GOP's expensive, vitriolic media blitz for every campaign I've witnessed since Goldwater.
I feel it will take much more than good debate results in insure we defeat tRump. We need a non-stop media campaign that effectively points out his lies, deceptions, failures and excesses nearly every day until time to vote.
KY.......
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)2naSalit
(86,647 posts)and I think they are manipulated.
Cousin Dupree
(1,866 posts)Meadowoak
(5,551 posts)And are home between the hours of 9am and 5pm, approve of Trump!
Brainfodder
(6,423 posts)There is just no way he's gained any voters since last election, right?
He only needs to lose 5% in turn out and/or votes and he's toast, because Democrats and Independents enthusiasm definitely will be HEARD!?!
VOX
(22,976 posts)And the differences grow greater and more extreme with every passing day. Two different tribes of Americans, who differ like night and day on numerous issues.
Whats most sobering is that bipartisanship is, for the most part, futile. The right-wing has ZERO interest in doing anything that would curb their desire to privatize every system and organization in existence. Theyll continue to persecute POC and LGBTQ folks, target womens rights, and keep the U.S. stuck in permanent warfare.
What is the ultimate answer here? Caving in to Putins goal of breaking up the U.S. into fragments?
Meanwhile, the Trump administration openly and brazenly flouts the law. How does this dystopian mess shake out?
A 2020 Democratic sweep would be a start, but will there be a free and fair election? And that stubborn 40% of unreconstructed yahoos will still be around, with Fox, et al, instructing them where to lay blame for their every woe and fear on socialist Democrats. Ive had it with right-wing bullshit, and this has been coming on for years.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,414 posts)It will not be as big of a struggle to get rid of Trump as it will be to get rid of Trumpism, Birtherism, Tea Partyism. Not only will we need control of both chambers of Congress and the Presidency but we will absolutely need Democratic leaders whom won't constantly wring their hands at the slings and arrows the Republican leftovers will send our way while trying to fix/improve things. Getting rid of massive obstructionists like Mitch McConnell would go a LONG way towards getting things done. I'm not saying that we shouldn't expect to have to compromise along the edges to get things through- because there are still going to be different factions of Democrats to have to work with too, but we have to be prepared to reject and fight efforts to derail us. Oh, and keeping up the work to fight voter suppression/electoral shenanigans and just voting every two years is going to be hella important too. Otherwise, the right will take on a new form and rebound and start obstructing and/or taking us backwards again in a few years time. We MUST break the cycle we seem to be stuck in.
VOX
(22,976 posts)Even with Trump out of the White House, that obviously wont stop him from opining away on the socialists, theyre bad people theme for years to come. His base (and his low-profile enablers) will never tire of trotting him out to rouse the rabble. If support for this sad act sticks at 40% and spreads no further, whatever toxic offshoots that Trumpism has spawned can be held in check, and with some serious hard effort, outmaneuvered with the scenario you present.
And I absolutely agree about breaking up every dirty Republican tactic of voter suppression/vote stealing/ballot irregularities, etc. And YES, as you point out, the local/state elections are vital. This is how Republicans got where they are, and thats why they control 22 states top-to-bottom.
Strange and crazy days ahead. Many other countries are now under nationalist rule, or have a strong nationalist presence in their governments. Lets get the U.S. the hell off that list, and keep it off!
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,414 posts)I remember how many years it took for the media to get tired of Sarah Palin after her and McCain's losing campaign and we *still* have to hear from Dick Cheney and Newt Gingrich from time to time. Assuming he loses in 2020 (which he rightfully should), it's quite likely we'll have to still be tormented by him in the media.
Wounded Bear
(58,670 posts)Trump "won" with some of the lowest turnout in history. Cons can't win if we turn out the vote. High turnout means Dem wins, that's been true for decades.
The real problem is not Trump voters, they're lost. The real problem is non-voters.
dalton99a
(81,516 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,670 posts)no_hypocrisy
(46,128 posts)That means getting up, leaving FOX News, going out to vote, and going crazy when they return with regard to what they missed.
Or OTOH, they may be too lazy and too complacent to vote. They believe that Trump's going to win with or without their vote.
samnsara
(17,622 posts)...with trump that may translate into fleeting approval. Perhaps these extra points are from folks who didnt approve before and they wont approve again when their crumbs of accolades are tossed under the trump train. The numbers will go down again when these folks awake from their turkey coma.
Cyrano
(15,041 posts)But he can steal it. Again.
In 2000, The Supreme Court appointed Bush Jr.
In 2004, Ohio was stolen.
In 2016, Russian interference, gerrymandering, "lost" ballots and voter suppression did the job.
The Republicans haven't won an election in the 21st Century. Why would 2020 be any different.
still_one
(92,219 posts)Yavin4
(35,442 posts)The key to victory is spelling out what the Democrats, the entire party, will do for the American people. The other 59%. Trump's numbers won't ever move regardless of how many scandals are uncovered.
ProudMNDemocrat
(16,786 posts)Because he is someone you do not rattle or intimidate. He will be cool under immense pressure. He knows that there are trip wires out there laid out for him. He faced that as a Marine Captain in Vietnam, facing an enemy with more integrity and honor than the Republicans who will try to rip him apart, only to fail before millions of people watching the hearings.