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brettdale

(12,382 posts)
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 06:01 AM Jul 2019

Trump poll numbers prove one thing

41% of people are jerks.

His numbers wont change.

No matter what he does or say, no matter what happens, those 41% of people
will love him no matter what.

Just get a strong democratic candidate and rip him to shreds during the debate.

It wont stop 41% of people voting for him. But it may increase the
number of people who werent going to vote, into voting for the dems.

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Trump poll numbers prove one thing (Original Post) brettdale Jul 2019 OP
I saw a number at dinner last night at 44% underpants Jul 2019 #1
'The only constant is change' - Heraclitus empedocles Jul 2019 #2
Nixon had huge majority, before Watergate hearings... Kid Berwyn Jul 2019 #3
but that was when the media reported the news scarytomcat Jul 2019 #6
The Fairness Doctrine made a big difference. Kid Berwyn Jul 2019 #17
... "you can fool some of the people all the time... " eom Tanuki Jul 2019 #4
Anyone who supports Trump is a jerk PJMcK Jul 2019 #5
Not to mention MFM008 Jul 2019 #12
Polls are used for propaganda, watoos Jul 2019 #7
Here is the thing Cosmocat Jul 2019 #10
I get that watoos Jul 2019 #15
Ha Cosmocat Jul 2019 #19
You make a key point: for 2020 woo the low motivation and undecided voters. Lots of votes. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2019 #8
to which I say CDerekGo Jul 2019 #9
45 plays dirty Martin Eden Jul 2019 #13
The thing is watoos Jul 2019 #18
There are intelligent ways to ridicule Trump without trading juvenile insults Martin Eden Jul 2019 #33
We had a strong candidate who ripped him to shreds in the debate treestar Jul 2019 #11
Yep DownriverDem Jul 2019 #16
What percent of Americans will support our President no matter who it is? tecelote Jul 2019 #14
YEP Cosmocat Jul 2019 #20
not many that would support someone of either party no matter what JI7 Jul 2019 #21
I find it interesting to slice his support into sectors... KY_EnviroGuy Jul 2019 #22
And a lot of this are never Trumper too uponit7771 Jul 2019 #23
I think the poll numbers are BS... 2naSalit Jul 2019 #24
I think you are correct, 2na Cousin Dupree Jul 2019 #27
I think that 41 percent of the people who still have land lines Meadowoak Jul 2019 #34
Among that group 41% sounds 30% too low for comfort? Brainfodder Jul 2019 #39
We really do have two distinctly different tribes of Americans... VOX Jul 2019 #25
You've hit on part of the problem Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2019 #36
Nicely thought out, and much appreciated. VOX Jul 2019 #41
Amen Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2019 #42
Turnout is key... Wounded Bear Jul 2019 #26
Absolutely. dalton99a Jul 2019 #28
It's the only way to overcome the cheating... Wounded Bear Jul 2019 #29
Agreed. You won't get 100% of the 41% to vote for Trump. no_hypocrisy Jul 2019 #30
i imagine it depends on how the polls asked the question. there are fleeting seconds of lucidity... samnsara Jul 2019 #31
Trump can't win it. Cyrano Jul 2019 #32
and those self-identified progressives that voted for Jill Stein aren't any better still_one Jul 2019 #35
It proves that attacking Trump is a lost cause. Yavin4 Jul 2019 #37
Robert Mueller will sway a lot of votes to the Dems I think.... ProudMNDemocrat Jul 2019 #38
The thing about personality cults is that they're very hard to leave. GuyNamedNathan Jul 2019 #40

underpants

(182,829 posts)
1. I saw a number at dinner last night at 44%
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 06:14 AM
Jul 2019

We were in a restaurant with TVs all over. 44% is weak at this stage of any first term. With the economy going as it is (of course he takes credit) it should be much higher. Frankly he's a jerk and it shows in his numbers.

Kid Berwyn

(14,909 posts)
3. Nixon had huge majority, before Watergate hearings...
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 06:50 AM
Jul 2019

As nation watched on TV, support plummeted.

Bet Donnie Peebrain’s will too — to about 22% before he’s removed from office.

Kid Berwyn

(14,909 posts)
17. The Fairness Doctrine made a big difference.
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 08:14 AM
Jul 2019

Two sides to every and all that.

But, today, there’s the profit motive and zero else.

PJMcK

(22,037 posts)
5. Anyone who supports Trump is a jerk
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 07:10 AM
Jul 2019

The man has zero redeeming qualities. He lies like I breathe. He treats other people like dirt. His policies are consistently awful as if he thinks, "What's the worst thing I could do?"

Anyone who supports him is un-American and sub-human. Period.

Cosmocat

(14,566 posts)
10. Here is the thing
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 08:04 AM
Jul 2019

it isn't just HIM that these people support.

This country has had decades, I am talking over a quarter century, of extreme brainwashing by right wing media to make the brains of about half the country shut off over "liberal."

His "support" is not just for him.

It is against the evil liberal boogyman.

That 44% number is probably closest, cause end of the day, a near plurality of the country would vote for, well Donald Trump, 100 out of a 100 times over ANYONE with a D behind their names.

As horrible as he is, at their very core, these people believe any D is infinitely worse.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
15. I get that
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 08:12 AM
Jul 2019

I live among them in central Pa. and to a person they tell me they didn't vote for Trump they voted against Hillary.

This poll was supposed to be about Trump and although people will vote for him no way 44% of the country approves of him personally. I refuse to believe that nearly 50% of our country is racist. bigoted, misogynist, ok with sexual assault, ok with pedophilia, ok with habitual lying, fuck, maybe I'm wrong.

Cosmocat

(14,566 posts)
19. Ha
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 08:28 AM
Jul 2019

I am here with you, my friend (in central Pa).

I have always wretched at the thought that it was based in racism, been VERY reluctant to give in to that.

SO many around me are otherwise decent, reasonable people, caring and giving, who are liberal hating "conservatives" (LONG before 45 came along, too).

But, things are at such a state now, just can't deny it, as painful as it is for me to accept.

It all comes down to people of color and gays, and these people have been so systematically distanced from reality, decency and civility for so long, there is nothing that anyone on their team can do that is worse than being liberal/demorcrat who fights on behalf of the POC and gays.

CDerekGo

(507 posts)
9. to which I say
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 07:56 AM
Jul 2019

Watch the Dem Debates. The Dem who handles any question, any off the cuff remark from one of the other Candidates is going to be the one to take on the orangesicle. 45 plays dirty, like any 3rd grader would. Not that the Dem would have to be on his level, but be able to spin him right back on his merry-go-round

Martin Eden

(12,870 posts)
13. 45 plays dirty
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 08:07 AM
Jul 2019

Trump wants his opponent to get down in the dirt with him. The key is finding a way to get the better of Trump without lowering oneself onto his playing field.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
18. The thing is
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 08:17 AM
Jul 2019

you can't beat Trump using sane logical rebuttals, he will eat you up.

I'm sad to say this, but our candidate is going to have to beat Trump in a debate by ridiculing him, making fun of him, laughing at him. A Narcissist cannot take ridicule.

Martin Eden

(12,870 posts)
33. There are intelligent ways to ridicule Trump without trading juvenile insults
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 10:12 AM
Jul 2019

Speak to the voters we need to persuade.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
11. We had a strong candidate who ripped him to shreds in the debate
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 08:05 AM
Jul 2019

We have to figure out the swing states. He got every single one, even PA.

DownriverDem

(6,229 posts)
16. Yep
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 08:12 AM
Jul 2019

Biden running with a strong progressive Dem woman will beat trump. It's who can take it to trump and that is Biden.

tecelote

(5,122 posts)
14. What percent of Americans will support our President no matter who it is?
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 08:11 AM
Jul 2019

A lot of people don't pay attention.

They just hear "Do you support our President". They don't hear "Do you support Trump".

Cosmocat

(14,566 posts)
20. YEP
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 08:30 AM
Jul 2019

and who tend to lean toward whatever bullshit republicans scream so passionately because Ds are so passive.

They just hear the screaming and think there is something to it - not to mention their tendency to believe "both are the same" so not matter how horrible Rs are, they reflexively view Ds similarly.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,492 posts)
22. I find it interesting to slice his support into sectors...
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 09:14 AM
Jul 2019

One, we know many wealthy and business-oriented people will vote GOP regardless, or at least until GOP market and tax policy no longer delivers high margins or we slide into deep recession.

Two, many evangelical Christians (?) consumed and brainwashed by the mega-church business will vote for whomever their preacher instruct them to. That could change to a limited degree when he's hauled into impeachment or federal court with some seriously damaging testimony.

Three, their special motive voting groups they've nurtured for years (guns, veterans, healthcare, etc.) could come unglued if he continues to fail to deliver on campaign promises and rally statements. He is failing in many areas in that regard.

Four - those totally brainwashed by right-wing media for decades who are hopeless but might stay home on election day if things get bad enough.

That's highly simplified list but they have an insanely diverse group that's difficult to predict and we're not even into the GOP's expensive, vitriolic media blitz for every campaign I've witnessed since Goldwater.

I feel it will take much more than good debate results in insure we defeat tRump. We need a non-stop media campaign that effectively points out his lies, deceptions, failures and excesses nearly every day until time to vote.

KY.......

Meadowoak

(5,551 posts)
34. I think that 41 percent of the people who still have land lines
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 10:23 AM
Jul 2019

And are home between the hours of 9am and 5pm, approve of Trump!

Brainfodder

(6,423 posts)
39. Among that group 41% sounds 30% too low for comfort?
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 03:11 PM
Jul 2019


There is just no way he's gained any voters since last election, right?

He only needs to lose 5% in turn out and/or votes and he's toast, because Democrats and Independents enthusiasm definitely will be HEARD!?!

VOX

(22,976 posts)
25. We really do have two distinctly different tribes of Americans...
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 09:33 AM
Jul 2019

And the differences grow greater and more extreme with every passing day. Two different tribes of Americans, who differ like night and day on numerous issues.

What’s most sobering is that bipartisanship is, for the most part, futile. The right-wing has ZERO interest in doing anything that would curb their desire to privatize every system and organization in existence. They’ll continue to persecute POC and LGBTQ folks, target women’s rights, and keep the U.S. stuck in permanent warfare.

What is the ultimate answer here? Caving in to Putin’s goal of breaking up the U.S. into fragments?
Meanwhile, the Trump administration openly and brazenly flouts the law. How does this dystopian mess shake out?

A 2020 Democratic sweep would be a start, but will there be a free and fair election? And that stubborn 40% of unreconstructed yahoos will still be around, with Fox, et al, instructing them where to lay blame for their every woe and fear on “socialist” Democrats. I’ve had it with right-wing bullshit, and this has been coming on for years.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,414 posts)
36. You've hit on part of the problem
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 10:39 AM
Jul 2019

It will not be as big of a struggle to get rid of Trump as it will be to get rid of Trumpism, Birtherism, Tea Partyism. Not only will we need control of both chambers of Congress and the Presidency but we will absolutely need Democratic leaders whom won't constantly wring their hands at the slings and arrows the Republican leftovers will send our way while trying to fix/improve things. Getting rid of massive obstructionists like Mitch McConnell would go a LONG way towards getting things done. I'm not saying that we shouldn't expect to have to compromise along the edges to get things through- because there are still going to be different factions of Democrats to have to work with too, but we have to be prepared to reject and fight efforts to derail us. Oh, and keeping up the work to fight voter suppression/electoral shenanigans and just voting every two years is going to be hella important too. Otherwise, the right will take on a new form and rebound and start obstructing and/or taking us backwards again in a few years time. We MUST break the cycle we seem to be stuck in.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
41. Nicely thought out, and much appreciated.
Tue Jul 9, 2019, 06:58 AM
Jul 2019

Even with Trump out of the White House, that obviously won’t stop him from opining away on the “socialists, they’re bad people” theme for years to come. His base (and his low-profile enablers) will never tire of trotting him out to rouse the rabble. If support for this sad act sticks at 40% and spreads no further, whatever toxic offshoots that Trumpism has spawned can be held in check, and with some serious hard effort, outmaneuvered with the scenario you present.

And I absolutely agree about breaking up every dirty Republican tactic of voter suppression/vote stealing/“ballot irregularities,” etc. And YES, as you point out, the local/state elections are vital. This is how Republicans got where they are, and that’s why they control 22 states top-to-bottom.

Strange and crazy days ahead. Many other countries are now under nationalist rule, or have a strong nationalist presence in their governments. Let’s get the U.S. the hell off that list, and keep it off!

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,414 posts)
42. Amen
Tue Jul 9, 2019, 01:05 PM
Jul 2019

I remember how many years it took for the media to get tired of Sarah Palin after her and McCain's losing campaign and we *still* have to hear from Dick Cheney and Newt Gingrich from time to time. Assuming he loses in 2020 (which he rightfully should), it's quite likely we'll have to still be tormented by him in the media.

Wounded Bear

(58,670 posts)
26. Turnout is key...
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 09:35 AM
Jul 2019

Trump "won" with some of the lowest turnout in history. Cons can't win if we turn out the vote. High turnout means Dem wins, that's been true for decades.

The real problem is not Trump voters, they're lost. The real problem is non-voters.

no_hypocrisy

(46,128 posts)
30. Agreed. You won't get 100% of the 41% to vote for Trump.
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 09:57 AM
Jul 2019

That means getting up, leaving FOX News, going out to vote, and going crazy when they return with regard to what they missed.

Or OTOH, they may be too lazy and too complacent to vote. They believe that Trump's going to win with or without their vote.

samnsara

(17,622 posts)
31. i imagine it depends on how the polls asked the question. there are fleeting seconds of lucidity...
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 09:59 AM
Jul 2019

...with trump that may translate into fleeting approval. Perhaps these extra points are from folks who didnt approve before and they wont approve again when their crumbs of accolades are tossed under the trump train. The numbers will go down again when these folks awake from their turkey coma.

Cyrano

(15,041 posts)
32. Trump can't win it.
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 10:02 AM
Jul 2019

But he can steal it. Again.

In 2000, The Supreme Court appointed Bush Jr.

In 2004, Ohio was stolen.

In 2016, Russian interference, gerrymandering, "lost" ballots and voter suppression did the job.

The Republicans haven't won an election in the 21st Century. Why would 2020 be any different.

Yavin4

(35,442 posts)
37. It proves that attacking Trump is a lost cause.
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 10:41 AM
Jul 2019

The key to victory is spelling out what the Democrats, the entire party, will do for the American people. The other 59%. Trump's numbers won't ever move regardless of how many scandals are uncovered.

ProudMNDemocrat

(16,786 posts)
38. Robert Mueller will sway a lot of votes to the Dems I think....
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 10:41 AM
Jul 2019

Because he is someone you do not rattle or intimidate. He will be cool under immense pressure. He knows that there are trip wires out there laid out for him. He faced that as a Marine Captain in Vietnam, facing an enemy with more integrity and honor than the Republicans who will try to rip him apart, only to fail before millions of people watching the hearings.

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