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Recursion

(56,582 posts)
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 10:43 AM Jul 2019

They're going for the headshot on Epstein

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/07/08/us/jeffrey-epstein-monday-court-appearance/index.html

Federal prosecutors in New York unsealed a criminal indictment Monday charging billionaire Jeffrey Epstein with having operated a sex trafficking ring in which he sexually abused dozens of underage girls, allegations that have circulated around the politically connected businessman for years.

According to the indictment, between 2002 and 2005, Epstein ran a trafficking enterprise in which he paid hundreds of dollars in cash to girls as young as 14 to have sex with him at his Upper East Side home and his estate in Palm Beach, worked with employees and associates who would lure the girls to his residences and paid some of his victims to recruit other girls for him to abuse.
"In this way, Epstein created a vast network of underage victims for him to sexually exploit, often on a daily basis," the US Attorney's office said in a press release.

Epstein, 66, was arrested Saturday and is expected to appear in Manhattan federal court on Monday. He is charged with one count of sex trafficking of minors and one count of conspiracy to engage in sex trafficking of minors.


So, trafficking of minors, and the concomitant bank and wire fraud charges. That's 200 years per count.

Remember: this is just one of the 12 cases Mueller left to SDNY. And Maurene Comey (guess, by her last name, whose daughter she is. Go on. Guess.) is leading the prosecution.
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They're going for the headshot on Epstein (Original Post) Recursion Jul 2019 OP
Was he out on probation when arrested? BSdetect Jul 2019 #1
No bail hearing today. titaniumsalute Jul 2019 #9
No. He was arrested when arriving back in the US from Paris Roland99 Jul 2019 #42
Sex Trafflicking dba Iliyah Jul 2019 #2
just got on computer - this is from the Mueller investgation???!!! Kali Jul 2019 #3
They were almost certainly the referring investigation (nt) Recursion Jul 2019 #4
oh my Kali Jul 2019 #6
I don't think they are connected. Make7 Jul 2019 #12
that was what I thought it was coming from, but... Kali Jul 2019 #15
The Miami Herald should get a Pulitzer for this researched reporting whether he goes down or not. ancianita Jul 2019 #24
Link? What is your basis for this? 11cents Jul 2019 #17
Basis? Basis? jberryhill Jul 2019 #20
Or simply ask a question. LanternWaste Jul 2019 #22
One thing I don't get about this... Takket Jul 2019 #5
Every count of sexual abuse is a separate charge, even with same victim. In addition, every victim hlthe2b Jul 2019 #7
I think I heard that the Miami Herald found dozens of NEW victims lagomorph777 Jul 2019 #14
true... any not considered/covered in the original plea deal are open to charging. hlthe2b Jul 2019 #16
New, True Blue American Jul 2019 #8
Didn't a judge also rule that Acosta and other DOJ officials broke the law titaniumsalute Jul 2019 #10
Crossing state lines is a separate charge (nt) Recursion Jul 2019 #11
He only pleaded guilty to a Florida state crime.. Princess Turandot Jul 2019 #18
Understood. Thank you! Takket Jul 2019 #19
those were different charges. This is sex trafficking of minors WhiteTara Jul 2019 #41
For context of how this became an active case again. House of Roberts Jul 2019 #13
Yeah, one article said there were over 80 victims in Florida Farmer-Rick Jul 2019 #33
Wow. This is for real. honest.abe Jul 2019 #21
This has no connection with Meuller's investigations Fiendish Thingy Jul 2019 #23
"This has no connection with Meuller's investigations" mitch96 Jul 2019 #36
And would Barr have the authority Mr.Bill Jul 2019 #25
Don't give the man a name. saidsimplesimon Jul 2019 #26
The media is pussyfooting around noting Trump's connections to a fellow criminal. Karadeniz Jul 2019 #27
We know tRump wasn't involved, because there were actual payments made. BamaRefugee Jul 2019 #28
Right, paid at time of service, Captain Zero Jul 2019 #32
not so fast lapfog_1 Jul 2019 #37
Guess I should have included the "sarcasm" gif BamaRefugee Jul 2019 #38
It is hard for me to find any humor in the story lapfog_1 Jul 2019 #39
when it comes to tRump, it's all "gallows humor", not LOL stuff sadly BamaRefugee Jul 2019 #40
And these charges don't say anything about the child porn prosecution... B Stieg Jul 2019 #29
Every day I love my pets more than I love most people... Amimnoch Jul 2019 #30
I hope he is shackled and in xxqqqzme Jul 2019 #31
They are asking for forfeiture of his properties! jmbar2 Jul 2019 #34
Bail memo jmbar2 Jul 2019 #35

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
2. Sex Trafflicking dba
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 10:54 AM
Jul 2019

Prostitution.

Underage victims dba exploitation to make profit.

Both major crimes. There is a list of patrons. These men knew what they were doing was wrong and still participated.

Kali

(55,014 posts)
6. oh my
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 11:05 AM
Jul 2019

I thought it was just something else that was going on, that they are connected is...I don't know...encouraging? interesting as hell, anyway!

Make7

(8,543 posts)
12. I don't think they are connected.
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 11:25 AM
Jul 2019
...

The Lead-Up to a Long-Overdue Indictment

Epstein’s arrest came as a welcome surprise to many, but the momentum for new charges against him has been building since last year. In November, the Miami Herald published an explosive investigative report that revealed horrifying new details about Epstein’s crimes and their effects on his many victims. The report included on-the-record, firsthand accounts from four of those victims and exposed the secret plea deal Epstein’s lawyers negotiated with former prosecutor and current Department of Labor secretary Alexander Acosta.

The Miami Herald report prompted Nebraska senator Ben Sasse to prod the Justice Department to investigate the plea deal negotiated by Acosta. The deal, in which Epstein pleaded guilty to two state charges of soliciting prostitution from a minor, granted him and his potential accomplices immunity from federal charges. In February, the DOJ announced its inquiry into “allegations that Department attorneys may have committed professional misconduct in the manner in which the Epstein criminal matter was resolved.” Also in February, a U.S. district judge ruled that because prosecutors did not inform victims of the plea or provide the opportunity to testify about it, the deal violated the Crime Victims’ Rights Act.

...

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/07/all-we-know-about-the-new-case-against-jeffrey-epstein.html

Lots of background info in that piece. The recent DOJ investigation seems to have been precipitated by the reporting in the Miami Herald.

Kali

(55,014 posts)
15. that was what I thought it was coming from, but...
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 11:29 AM
Jul 2019

it would be so interesting if there were a legal connection to the M investigation, though. either way I hope the orange asshole is sweating about it, even in the smallest way.

ancianita

(36,095 posts)
24. The Miami Herald should get a Pulitzer for this researched reporting whether he goes down or not.
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 12:47 PM
Jul 2019

It's as if journalism does all the leg work, THEN law enforcement, made to pay attention and prosecute, takes the credit.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
20. Basis? Basis?
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 12:14 PM
Jul 2019

We don't have no basis.

We don't need no steenking basis!

People just make shit up and post it to DU.

"200 years per count", lol. Yeah.
 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
22. Or simply ask a question.
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 12:40 PM
Jul 2019

"People just make shit up and post it to DU"

Or simply ask a question... which is often misinterpreted as the above, allowing us a golden opportunity to maintain a pretense of cleverness at the expense of others that may not otherwise exist.


"Yeah" indeed.

Takket

(21,578 posts)
5. One thing I don't get about this...
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 11:02 AM
Jul 2019

He was already charged and got the plea deal from Acosta. So what are they charging him with now? Are these new charges from new victims that cane after the Acosta deal?

hlthe2b

(102,293 posts)
7. Every count of sexual abuse is a separate charge, even with same victim. In addition, every victim
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 11:07 AM
Jul 2019

reflect separate new charges. And even if a victim for which he was charged for assaulting in Florida reflects a count in the SDNY indictment, if it was an uncharged incident from Florida OR more importantly, if it occurred in NY, it is a distinctly separate charge and NO double jeopardy.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
14. I think I heard that the Miami Herald found dozens of NEW victims
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 11:28 AM
Jul 2019

("New" meaning previously unrecognized). I would assume any plea deal couldn't include those separate crimes, since they were unknown to the prosecution/prostitution at the time.

True Blue American

(17,986 posts)
8. New,
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 11:10 AM
Jul 2019

And the Prosecutor is showing his picture, asking others if the recognize this man to come forward.

Princess Turandot

(4,787 posts)
18. He only pleaded guilty to a Florida state crime..
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 11:48 AM
Jul 2019

The feds didn't bring him to trial or enter into an actual plea bargain with him (where he would have pleaded guilty to a federal crime). They entered into a 'non-prosecution agreement' with him, in exchange for his state plea. The 'non-prosecution agreement' is only binding with the office that made it, the US southern district of Florida. So, they're saying that jeopardy didn't attach.

House of Roberts

(5,177 posts)
13. For context of how this became an active case again.
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 11:26 AM
Jul 2019
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/article221957120.html

In the 10 years since Epstein’s case was closed by the FBI, about two dozen civil court cases had been filed, often alleging that Epstein’s sex crimes with underage victims were far more serious than prosecutors led the public to believe. The vast trove of litigation included tens of thousands of pages of court pleadings, motions, appeals, depositions, hearing transcripts, judges’ decisions, witness and victim statements, as well as emails and letters between federal prosecutors and Epstein’s defense lawyers.

Farmer-Rick

(10,185 posts)
33. Yeah, one article said there were over 80 victims in Florida
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 01:33 PM
Jul 2019

Then there evidence he was bringing on little girls from other countries. The Guardian is calling what he did pedosadism. So there was torture involved.

Epstein is a piece of work. He's got money enough for anything. He's not bad looking for an old white guy, certainly he's better looking than the orange president. And he decides to traffic in little girls. What an absolute waste of an existence.

mitch96

(13,912 posts)
36. "This has no connection with Meuller's investigations"
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 01:55 PM
Jul 2019

I read it was one of the things turned up in his investigations and turned over to NY. He did not investigate Epstein.
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Mr.Bill

(24,303 posts)
25. And would Barr have the authority
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 12:53 PM
Jul 2019

to shut this down? And if these are federal charges could Trump pardon Epstein?

I'm not getting my hopes up.

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
26. Don't give the man a name.
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 12:58 PM
Jul 2019

Last edited Mon Jul 8, 2019, 01:56 PM - Edit history (1)

His head is at the end of a child size penis, those he and his pals pray on.

lapfog_1

(29,205 posts)
37. not so fast
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 01:57 PM
Jul 2019

Epstein was well known for passing his "lolitas" around to his pals or as "party favors".

He also had hidden cameras installed all over his house to capture the people in the act of having sex with underage girls to use as blackmail material.

lapfog_1

(29,205 posts)
39. It is hard for me to find any humor in the story
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 02:02 PM
Jul 2019

my niece was sexually molested by her grandfather when she was 12 (other side of the family thank god).

ok... now I get you... (ha...very small ha)

B Stieg

(2,410 posts)
29. And these charges don't say anything about the child porn prosecution...
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 01:10 PM
Jul 2019

surely about to emerge. These creeps keep trophies, and, apparently, Epstein liked to take pictures.

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