Lesson learned.

by now and it will be even more so next year. we may find that we show up but it is never quite enough.

The Russian involvement has to move into mainstream of our national debate-if it is not fully acknowledged it will not be debated and we will be making electiondecisions based upon ignorance.

We got the numbers.

As always, if we turn out they can't beat our numbers.

Assuming that the only way he can win is if there is interference or fraud is a losing proposition. We on the left, and particularly here on DU, continually underestimate his level of support and insist that it can't be as high as it is. Denial doesn't help.

One thing that is often missed: people who do not like Donald Trump and do not approve of Donald Trump can - and will - still vote for him simply because he will be the Republican nominee. Approval ratings do not equate directly to electoral support. We can't assume that because people dislike him, they won't vote for him.

I do agree that the key is turnout. We need to show up in numbers that make it much harder for the other factors to come into play.

As an aside, gerrymandering has little to do with the presidential race, outside of the indirect effect of inducing voter apathy.

Democrats lose because people stay home

... and the president has already welcome more of thier hacking

I don't think that he has a good chance in 2020. I think that a lot of people are worn out and fed up with his bad behavior and Democrats and progressives are highly energized to vote against him and his enablers. Plus, his support has been consistently middling/weak. These are good signs but we cannot let our guard down and assume that it's in the bag. We still need to select a top notch candidate for 2020 who can present a competent, well-qualified, and rational alternative to Trump, which *should* be easy, but we also need to be unified and have their backs 24/7/365 until Election Day against the right-wing Trump smear machine.

But I am angry at the notion that we have accepted that we must win by 5% or more just to overcome cheating.

This is wrong and needs to be fixed.
We lost Georgia and Florida in 2018 to this shit.

Only sheer numbers can ensure a victory, given the forces aligned against us.

Everyone must vote against Trump and other Republicans. Nothing else matters. That is the choice we will have in 2020, regardless of who the Democratic presidential candidate turns out to be. The opponent is what matters, and it matters enormously.

Children in cages. Starvation. No Hygene. No beds. Now warmth. Deaths.

Children separated from their families, perhaps never to be seen again.

And where are the girls?. Can anyone deny they're being abused, tortured, raped.

This is Donald Trump's America. And if we do nothing, it's also our America.

What do we do? Surround the concentration camps by the thousands. Sneak out photos. Beat every Republican up for election. And lock them, and Trump up for life, for crimes against humanity.

from the most deplorable people in this country, but also plenty of others who think they benefit somehow.

We have to do more than show up. We have to fight the voter suppression tactics, encourage turnout on our side, elect downticket Dems to win the Senate, and make sure our margin of victory is too big to steal. (like "too big to fail&quot

the votes in places where there is NO WAY tRump could lose, and make the Dem win by a landslide in those states.
The election tampering will be so massive and so obvious that tRump will call the election null and void, remain in office, let there be hundreds of cases logjammed in courts for years, and continue on his merry way.
Dems will of course get total blame for it.