Expect MAGAts to make reference to the Mile High Club with regard to those airplane trips.

Your online search is as good as mine.

Please share whatever you find.

Do you think I'd be posting this if I hadn't spent some time with google first?

DUH.

Maybe you can find something on Breitbart or Infowars. They love making stuff up.

The funny thing about having principles (principles like don't sex traffic girls) is that they apply to folks you don't like as well as folks you like. If Clinton is shown to have participated in the sex trafficking (rather than simply being friendly with a very wealthy man), I'll gladly see him go down for it. A person has to be a special kind of stupid to think that if Clinton was mixed up in Epstein's sleaziness it somehow lets Trump off the hook for the same thing. I realize that argument will be put forward by some Very Serious People, but it should be called for the bullshit it is each and every time.

As usual

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but why are people already convinced that he's guilty of *something* ?

And you can bet that, if there was even a scintilla, it would have been rubbed in our faces years ago by the people who turned consensual sex, Benghazi and some stray emails into years-long scandals.

Not everybody is who they say they are, by the way.

All around us ALL the time there are PRETEND democrats, PRETEND liberals who are working feverishly to divide us.

The both siders will be all over this one.

and therefore had a duty to say/do something about it.

Everybody knew, Joe? Then why didn't YOU do or say something about it?

Republicans, conservatives, rightwingers have spent decades digging up dirt on the Clinton's. If there was even a whisper of Clinton and underage girls, the Rs would have made it front page news in 2016 and kept it there. Look at Benghazi, Hillary's email, Vince Foster, Juanita Brodderick...I could go on.

But citing Bill Clinton is useful for a media culture of "whataboutism" or "the other side does it, too".

Many of their top guys are linked too. Hell, Epstein even reportedly taped federal judges having sex with his workers to use it against them.

Some here seem more determined to trash Democrats than to fight Republicans.

....Unless of course Kenneth Starr is part of this whole ring and cover up....

Nothing, and I mean nothing shocks or surprises me anymore. And as we live in the age of the Russians having interfered in our election and of Kompromat, and in an era of excessive wealth and plutocrats globally and live by "different rules" than the rest of us (including for example wealthy parents of college students who pay $100,000's to get their kids in through the side door to college), and an America where children are separated from their parents and being imprisoned in unthinkable and inhumane conditions (and who many we probably don't even know where they may be and never will) - why would it be surprising to find out about the existence of a massive sex trafficking ring of underage girls being run by wealthy men , who are protected by all of each other and are everything from wealthy businessmen, Lawyers, Law Enforcement, even Judges - that includes members of both sides of the political spectrum, christians and jews alike, and even women (i.e.. Ghislaine Maxwell)?

Look at this whole story and all the very "coincidental" links and connections to one another..... Alan Dershowitz? Kenneth Starr? William Barr (his father even?). Alex Acosta. Trump. Mar A Lago. Robert Kraft and prostitution and sex trafficking. British fucking family member. MBS was friends with Epstein!!!! I am sure the list of people is very long that we don't know about. Just look at the little black book of Jeffrey Epstein and The Who's who of who is in it and many who were mortified their names appear in it.

All I know is that there is a lot of evil shit going on out there and I think many many people have been covering for each other and it should not shock us who is complicit and how and why.

Silence amongst secret societies and groups often is done because each member has the goods on each other and their is a code of silence to keep them silent.

One should not assume a member would use something if it existed. Because silence is the code to keep all members in check.

And I bet right now there are a lot of nervous members who are praying that code of silence holds.

Good journalism will help make some of it happen.

I completely agree

Julie Brown from the Miami Herald deserves a Pulitzer Prize

dirt on Bill and Hillary for forty years. If there had been a provable connection with Epstein's rape escapades... they would have used it by now. Especially since we know how close Trump and Epstein were.

we wouldn't have heard about it by now, given how he's been investigated obsessively for decades.

Rich folk frequently run together.

Epstein was/is a very wealthy man, who leaned toward Democrats in his political contributions - as did a younger Donald Trump. Very wealthy donors get invited to parties and private events for candidates. This gives them the perception that they have access to the candidate and that they will be listened to - and, in fact, they do have some impact on positions. However, it does not really make them friends.

In Bill Clinton's case, he also raised money for his Foundation, that does good work - which it could not do without the money that he raises. The comments that Epstein provided a plane for a trip to Africa for Clinton and others from the Foundation is no different than this -- and the key is what Clinton did on that trip. He was there supporting and reviewing programs that his Foundation sponsored that did things like fight AIDS.

No one is one dimensional and people do compartmentalize their lives. Epstein clearly wanted to be seen as one of the power elite --and he got some level of that by giving money. I would bet that Epstein was smart enough to know that many of the influential people he gave money to to make himself connected to the rich and powerful, would work to get him charged and end trafficking if they saw anything of that nature. For someone skilled at estimating risk, it is very likely that what he gave for access was legal contributions to campaigns, PACs, and NGOs .. rather than offering something illegal and immoral, which if exposed would destroy their careers?

It is possible that others, who seemed to share the same lack of values were completely aware of everything.

weddings. It's also been reported that Chelsea and Ivanka are/were friendly.

Nice shiv there....

Lighten up Francis.

I’m a longtime Hillary fan and believe the Big Dog was one of our best presidents.

Man. The things people take offense to here. Jesus Christ. Smh.

You're welcome.

What should I have said, “hang out together?”

Guess my mind doesn’t work in ways that makes an innocent expression sound like a “shiv.”

Your concern is duly noted.

..is attached. My brains spiraling downhill thinking what may come out of this. pence resigns and trump makes barr veep..AACCKKK I need a drink....

if public officials are not implicated in this case seeing who is doing the investigation. I am not in the least insinuating that people like Trump or Clinton will be involved.

....just as you must have been upon the dawning realization that Louise Mensch is full of shit, and that Michael Avenatti is a crooked self-promoting blowhard.

Life can be full of one shock after another if one buys into breathless sensational bullshit on social media.

but the criminal indictment was prepared by the office of public corruption in the SDNY AG office, not the sex crimes division.

Which leads people to speculate.

Is Trump the target... or someone else... or maybe Acosta who probably violated the law when he created the NPA without telling any of the victims.

Next thing ya know we will be hearing about that the sex parlor that Hillary ran out of the basement of a pizza joint was funded by Epstein.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/anatomy-of-a-fake-news-scandal-125877/

Pizzagate II.

This was a big thing with them a few years ago. Epstein had a lot of contacts all over the spectrum. Dershowitz among them.

I just wish I could find more facts to help me refute the inevitable bullshit that's going to be thrown out there in defense of tRump.

The impossibility of proving something DIDN’T happen is what Clinton’s enemies bank on...

I admit to being confused.

You don't throw up your hands in despair, you ask for their sources....

Then you shoot the sources down.

Why all the hand wringing???

both as a donor and possibly as one of the co-founders.

So far there has not been an allegation of Bill Clinton having sexual conduct with underage girls from the few who has testified... but then we only have testimony from a very few of the dozens to hundreds of women involved.

Of the women who have come forward with allegations of people other than Epstein they were to engage with sexually include Prince Andrew, Alan Dershowitz, President Trump, and many other current or former world leaders (Bill Richardson). There is also an allegation that these sexual contacts were secretly recorded by Epstein to be used to blackmail the various powerful people involved.

Epstein's lawyers said that Epstein took part in the conception of the Clinton Global Initiative (an annual event) therefore Epstein is a possible co-founder of the Clinton Foundation? Really?



The full paragraph from your out of context Wiki quote:

But it's about someone named Clinton so why not? I await the speculation that this all somehow is Hillary's fault.

to protect Bill from his entanglements" when it was actually installed as a cybersecurity measure on the recommendation and under the supervision of the Secret Service after the 9/11 attacks.

Let's believe the pedophile sex traffickers lawyer.

Care to retract?

Some here seem to jump at the very opportunity to bash a Clinton with impunity, even to the point of spreading untruths.

People paid 10K (pocket change for them) to be a member, and being a member meant going to a few meetings, hobnobbing with other rich guys, and promising to fund some charitable effort directly.

Possibly... I imagine your sources are completely reliable.

other men who may have raped them... nobody has named Bill Clinton.

That said, it's only 4 out of who knows how many have come forward.

Epstein was definitely involved with Clinton, providing the former President with many flights on his private jet. He also donated money to the Clinton foundation.

Does any of that say that Clinton engaged in sex with any of Epstein's underage victims? No.

My guess is that Clinton did not... but he should have chosen the billionaires to be friends with and to take favors from more carefully.

Best to let it rest and let the courts sort it out.

then on it.

It remains to be seen whether or not their relationship went beyond that. Epstein was chummy with LOTS of public figures, male and female. He he's a businessman and does a lot of his business on his private islands. A lot of people rode on his planes. There aren't really any other ways to get there if you don't own a private jet. And, a lot of his friends and associates have their own planes, so not riding on them doesn't absolve those whose names never showed up on the manifests (e.g., Donald J. Trump.)

Just remind your co-workers that Bill Clinton is not the co-defendant on rape charges against Epstein. Trump is.

donations at all.

Not too subtle shiv there.

That's what it is when you can't back up anything you "Imagine."

Didn't you know that Pence was called back to the WH the other day, because Trump and Pence were both going to be arrested for involvement in Eptein's crimes, thus making Nancy Pelosi president?

I learned that right here on DU.

I'm just waiting for confirmation from Louise Mensch and Michael Avenatti.

I thought Trump was brought down by Mueller!

he won’t lose any support. There is only ONE thing he can do to lose support - change his stance on immigration. Nothing else does it for deplorables. But what it would do is energize dem turnout in 2020.

which had been given the mandate for executive branch cybersecurity following the 9/11 attacks.

So much for your theory concerning HRC's "pathology".

Have a donut.

had a new one configured so she could use it for her emails, as the first one (purchased in 2007, used from 2008 onward) was just for Bill (presidentclinton.com and wjcoffice.com).

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-31806907

Shortly before she was sworn in as secretary of state in 2009, Hillary Clinton set up an email server at her home in Chappaqua, New York. She then relied on this server, home to the email address hdr22@clintonemail.com, for all her electronic correspondence - both work-related and personal - during her four years in office.

She also reportedly set up email addresses on the server for her long-time aide, Huma Abedin, and State Department Chief of Staff Cheryl Mills.

She did not use, or even activate, a state.gov email account, which would have been hosted on servers owned and managed by the US government.

Mrs Clinton's email system became a national story the first week of March 2015, when the New York Times ran a front-page article on the subject. The article said that the system "may have violated federal requirements" and was "alarming" to current and former government archive officials.

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All the Clintons’ servers: Hillary first used a Power Mac tower for e-mail
FBI memo details evolution of HRC's private e-mail from basement tower to managed service.

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/09/fbi-clintons-first-e-mail-server-was-a-power-mac-tower/

Step 1: Power Mac

The Power Mac, originally purchased in 2007 by former President Clinton's aide Justin Cooper, had acted as the server for presidentclinton.com and wjcoffice.com. Cooper managed most of the technology support for Bill Clinton and took charge of setting up Hillary Clinton's new personal mail system on the Power Mac, which sat alongside a firewall and network switching hardware in the basement of the Clintons' home. Accounts were set up for Secretary Clinton and her staff by her husband's staff.

But the Power Mac was having difficulty handling the additional load created by Blackberry usage from Secretary Clinton and her staff, so a decision was made quickly to upgrade the server hardware. Secretary Clinton's deputy chief of staff at the State Department, Huma Abedin, connected Cooper with Brian Pagliano, who had worked in IT for the secretary's 2008 presidential campaign. Cooper inquired with Pagliano about getting some of the campaign's computer hardware as a replacement for the Power Mac, and Pagliano was in the process of selling the equipment off.

Step 2: Dude, you’re getting two Dells

It was kismet, and in March of 2009, Pagliano delivered two servers to Chappaqua—a Dell PowerEdge 2900 running Windows Server and Microsoft Exchange and a Dell PowerEdge 1950 running Blackberry Enterprise Server (BES). Cooper and Pagliano together acquired additional network and storage hardware. Initially, Pagliano said, he believed the servers were for President Clinton and not for the Secretary.

Pagliano acquired an SSL certificate for the mail server to provide added security for remote e-mail access at that time, and the whole configuration was set up in the Clintons' basement. The Power Mac was converted into a workstation for use by the Clinton household staff, and its contents were eventually backed up to an iMac.

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Uber-rich, angry fantasy life some people have, expressed in passive agressive "I wonder..." terms.

since important people, including and probably especially politicians, tend to frequently hang out with very rich people. It's not likely that many of Epstein's famous acquaintances also participated in his abuse of underage girls, but a lot of people are going to be embarrassed that they even socialized with the guy at all.

Where did you hear it? Are you aware that it was floated as a right-wing talking point in 2015?

That might make things a bit uncomfortable for the agents if they were being asked to ignore criminal behavior.

That's another reason to think it unlikely that Clinton was involved with underage girls.

that Epstein provided?

IDK, it seems some here to have waited a long time for a chance to shiv a Clinton here on DU, maybe not.

or maybe has a guilty conscience- could be why he refuses to be in a room alone with a woman without his "Mother" - (erm, I mean Karen Pence) with him and maybe why he rushed back to DC in a panic ( I am assuming the panic part..I just SO wanna see him go DOWN)

on his plane the question has been around; however, there has never been one accusation from any girl or woman over the years; but if it's on him, it's on him.

They appear to be legit. Not going to link any here but easily found online.