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mcar

(42,334 posts)
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 03:48 PM Jul 2019

Pierce: Jeffrey Epstein Allegedly Shows There's an Even Darker Side to the Masters-of-the-Universe M

Jeffrey Epstein Allegedly Shows There's an Even Darker Side to the Masters-of-the-Universe Mentality
Who else at the top of politics and big business represents the same?

BY CHARLES P. PIERCE
JUL 8, 2019

took me a couple of tries to wade through the muck of the indictment that the Southern District of New York dropped on Jeffrey Epstein on Monday. Every time I got sort of rolling, I'd run into a sentence like this:

Epstein typically would also masturbate during these sexualized encounters, ask victims to touch him while he masturbated, and touch victims' genitals with his hands or with sex toys.


It is impossible that Epstein's many influential friends and houseguests didn't know about this. Apparently, Epstein was not shy about his predilections. The current President* of the United States was a frequent running buddy, ...

And before the flying monkeys take wing, let me say that, if any Democratic politician was involved in these late Roman Empire hootenannys, that person should be convicted and buried under the jail as well. This is not a stick-to-politics moment. This is going to screw up the political moment good and proper, though. Unless Epstein cuts a quick deal at the encouragement of all those people who suddenly don't know him anymore, this is going to be a long and garish public spectacle. It's going to devour news cycle after news cycle. And if anything emerges connecting the president* directly to Epstein's alleged crimes, there isn't going to be a news cycle anymore. There will be only this story, over and over again.

This, after all, is the lubricious dark side of the Masters of the Universe mentality that brought us the near collapse of the world economy, and which too many powerful people in our politics became far too comfortable in embracing. If there are no rules worth keeping in business, why should there be any rules worth keeping in your off-hours? (How confident was Epstein that the bell would never toll for him? According to the FBI, they found he'd carefully labeled all the kiddie porn in his collection.) If everything is a commodity to be bought and sold, and if the basic business plan of all your peers is fraud, why stop at just collateralizing home loans? Why not collateralize young girls? After all, of all the deadly sins, greed and lust are the closest cousins.

Meanwhile, a lot of women are finally going to get a chance to tell their stories, and to make whatever peace they can with having been caught up in a ghastly series of events that would shame the Borgias. If some of the people who exploited them are destroyed in the process, that is not their concern, nor ours. Fitzgerald was more right than he knew: the rich are different from you and me. Some of them are monsters.

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a28324520/jeffrey-epstein-arrested-child-sexual-abuse/
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Pierce: Jeffrey Epstein Allegedly Shows There's an Even Darker Side to the Masters-of-the-Universe M (Original Post) mcar Jul 2019 OP
It's enough to make one wish Cirque du So-What Jul 2019 #1
Je pense que non. Mme. Defarge Jul 2019 #4
Too painless Calculating Jul 2019 #6
I vote for drawn and quartered. fierywoman Jul 2019 #9
So do I! BigmanPigman Jul 2019 #11
We should use our imagination. Let the Medieval Torture museum inspire us. Yavin4 Jul 2019 #32
I have been visualizing these practices BigmanPigman Jul 2019 #37
No matter what, we cannot turn or return to such horrors colorado_ufo Jul 2019 #58
I can't even say what I would do to these creeps. Brainfodder Jul 2019 #2
Really? atreides1 Jul 2019 #51
I like it but.. cannabis_flower Jul 2019 #53
Well. Sounds interesting; dirt always sounds that way. CaliforniaPeggy Jul 2019 #3
Yes, Charlie is always worth reading. Nice reference to the Borgias and Fitzgerald. Here we are. dameatball Jul 2019 #25
It's hard to imagine Trump as ever having been someone's running buddy. n/t pnwmom Jul 2019 #5
Yeah, that was an odd choice of words mcar Jul 2019 #8
Trump's mouth is always running. lagomorph777 Jul 2019 #17
That choice of words really broke my chain of thought. alphafemale Jul 2019 #23
I thought for a minute he meant Bill Clinton.. nt Grasswire2 Jul 2019 #33
Or Obama, which of course made zero sense. n/t pnwmom Jul 2019 #34
I bet they "power walk" to the nearest Mickey Ds and call it running. meadowlander Jul 2019 #45
Maybe by "running buddy" its meant to describe Trump and Epstein's "running" girls to/from FL to NYC Pachamama Jul 2019 #60
It's what happens when the rich and powerful have everything they could ever want Calculating Jul 2019 #7
Don't you wonder if the fire on Epstein's island in the US VIRGIN islands fierywoman Jul 2019 #10
One definitely must wonder Calculating Jul 2019 #12
Check out the google map of his western ranch LiberalArkie Jul 2019 #15
I think the transport of minors to this island for sex-- dawg day Jul 2019 #29
It's like that Mike Nesmith song - The Grand Ennui GoneOffShore Jul 2019 #43
I just hope he takes that piece of crap Alan Dershowitz infullview Jul 2019 #13
That would be sweet. calimary Jul 2019 #21
Just remember: NO COLLUSION!! NO COLLUSION!! bucolic_frolic Jul 2019 #14
52% of white women would gladly send their daughters to an Epstein/Trump party maxrandb Jul 2019 #16
How DARE you? I doubt ONE Percent of ANY women even HEARD of Epstein or whathehell Jul 2019 #22
We know they wouldn't believe it anyway-- dawg day Jul 2019 #30
Maybe,.maybe not, but that's not the point -- NO one has the right to whathehell Jul 2019 #31
I alerted -- am I allowed to say that? Hekate Jul 2019 #56
Good -- It should be alerted on.. whathehell Jul 2019 #57
I'm just pointing out that Donnie Shit for Brains won 52% of white women maxrandb Jul 2019 #38
That's rather tortured reasoning given that Trump was discussing ADULTS, whathehell Jul 2019 #39
I'll delete it the morning after the 2020 election maxrandb Jul 2019 #40
Do you really not get that sex with Adults is different than with Kids? whathehell Jul 2019 #41
I have two daughters that are both in their 30s now maxrandb Jul 2019 #42
You don't understsnd it? whathehell Jul 2019 #49
Unfortunately the majority of voters rules...oh,wait: this is U.S.A! maddiemom Jul 2019 #59
I'm half white blue cat Jul 2019 #46
That's nice, but you'll have to forgive me if I find whathehell Jul 2019 #48
This response blue cat Jul 2019 #44
You "just stop". whathehell Jul 2019 #50
This message was self-deleted by its author whathehell Jul 2019 #24
You can stop that right now, max. Just stop. Hekate Jul 2019 #55
Egomania on parade sandensea Jul 2019 #18
Dear Mr Pierce, Karadeniz Jul 2019 #19
Burn in Hell, Jeffrey Epstein! You detestable fucking BASTARD! calimary Jul 2019 #20
Hang the bastards. Pepsidog Jul 2019 #26
Thanks for the post, mcar. brer cat Jul 2019 #27
Yes mcar Jul 2019 #36
Castration? moonseller66 Jul 2019 #28
We are already in the process of destroying the rule of law...this is grist for the mill. Moostache Jul 2019 #35
Just found this article from 2006 UpInArms Jul 2019 #47
Pull the fucking curtin back on these so called Masters-of-the-Universe. Hotler Jul 2019 #52
Gluttony on Steroids... dlk Jul 2019 #54

BigmanPigman

(51,611 posts)
37. I have been visualizing these practices
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 06:53 PM
Jul 2019

in regards to the fucking moron for 2 1/2 years, seriously. It relieves my frustration. I want every corrupt enabler to the POTUS to have their assets seized and all of them tortured to the Nth degree throughout eternity....and if they are reincarnated.

* Just writing this makes me feel a little bit better.

colorado_ufo

(5,734 posts)
58. No matter what, we cannot turn or return to such horrors
Tue Jul 9, 2019, 02:12 PM
Jul 2019

that only diminish ourselves as human beings. It sets us on the road to every-increasing savagery, and eventually to become the same monsters we abhor.

It begins with enjoyment of pain and suffering in others.

Never forget this.

atreides1

(16,079 posts)
51. Really?
Tue Jul 9, 2019, 12:03 PM
Jul 2019

Here's an idea...

1. Place them in a wooden building
2. Nail their testicles to a desk that's nailed in place
3. Give them one box cutter with a rusty blade
4. Set the building on fire

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,640 posts)
3. Well. Sounds interesting; dirt always sounds that way.
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 03:55 PM
Jul 2019

Charles Pierce is most definitely worth reading.

 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
23. That choice of words really broke my chain of thought.
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 05:47 PM
Jul 2019

I doubt he's even hit a trot in thirty years.

Pachamama

(16,887 posts)
60. Maybe by "running buddy" its meant to describe Trump and Epstein's "running" girls to/from FL to NYC
Tue Jul 9, 2019, 08:47 PM
Jul 2019

Calculating

(2,955 posts)
7. It's what happens when the rich and powerful have everything they could ever want
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 04:23 PM
Jul 2019

Some of the particularly evil ones start thinking of 'new and especially taboo' things to seek. How else do they keep life interesting when they have the world? Next up we'll find out about their secret island where they can hunt the 'most dangerous game' lol.

fierywoman

(7,686 posts)
10. Don't you wonder if the fire on Epstein's island in the US VIRGIN islands
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 04:35 PM
Jul 2019

was arson to cover up something truly awful?

Calculating

(2,955 posts)
12. One definitely must wonder
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 04:44 PM
Jul 2019

I've seen some photos of Epstein's Island and it has some really weird shit on it. I'm talking strange golden temples with satanic owl statues and stuff on them. Little would shock me at this point. The people into this stuff are a special kind of demented.

dawg day

(7,947 posts)
29. I think the transport of minors to this island for sex--
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 06:14 PM
Jul 2019

might be what lets them add on a charge of "trafficking".

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
22. How DARE you? I doubt ONE Percent of ANY women even HEARD of Epstein or
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 05:39 PM
Jul 2019

Last edited Mon Jul 8, 2019, 06:21 PM - Edit history (1)

his connection to Trump during the '16 election you're apparently referring to, so don't you dare spread this ugly, racist Lie!

dawg day

(7,947 posts)
30. We know they wouldn't believe it anyway--
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 06:18 PM
Jul 2019

They heard him in his very own voice talk about the pleasure of grabbing women, and they heard a dozen women accuse him of that sort of thing, and they still voted for him. (I'm a white woman, btw, and I voted for the other one, like any woman of any color- including white- or any brains did. Oh, sorry, am I going to hurt the Trump-women's feelings?)

And the whole Epstein-Trump connections been known for a decade at least. I knew it (but then, I read that super-serious policy journal, Vanity Fair).

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
31. Maybe,.maybe not, but that's not the point -- NO one has the right to
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 06:28 PM
Jul 2019

slander the women of ANY race with that stupid, slanderous LIE. End of Story.

P.S. The idea that "everybody" knew about the Trump/ Epstein connection is patently absurd.. I subscribe to Vanity Fair, am a news junkie and all around voracious reader and I never heard of Epstein until about a year or two ago -- Stop enabling the ugly, race based trashing of white women.

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
57. Good -- It should be alerted on..
Tue Jul 9, 2019, 01:51 PM
Jul 2019

It's an ugly, bigoted lie. I alerted on it myself awhile ago -- Let's see if
if your "luck" is any better than mine. If not, I'd say we have a growing problem here, that I'd be glad to discuss with you via pm.





maxrandb

(15,334 posts)
38. I'm just pointing out that Donnie Shit for Brains won 52% of white women
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 07:03 PM
Jul 2019

who voted for the pu$$y grabbing moron.

They are apparently fine with this type of behavior.

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
39. That's rather tortured reasoning given that Trump was discussing ADULTS,
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 07:37 PM
Jul 2019

not children, so it's hardly the same.

As to the Trump voting women (a small majority) being "fine" with that kind of behavior on grown women, I'm not even sure if that's true, given that many blew it off as bs "locker room' talk.

That said, it can't, under ANY circumstances be conflated with mothers "gladly" sending their children to be raped by pedophiles.

That's an ugly, false, and hateful assertion.and you really should delete it.


maxrandb

(15,334 posts)
40. I'll delete it the morning after the 2020 election
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 07:41 PM
Jul 2019

if the polls show that a majority of white women didn't again vote for the pu$$y grabbing moron.

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
41. Do you really not get that sex with Adults is different than with Kids?
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 07:52 PM
Jul 2019

If not, I really hope you don't have children.

maxrandb

(15,334 posts)
42. I have two daughters that are both in their 30s now
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 09:38 PM
Jul 2019

That's why I can never understand ANY parent of girls EVER voting for this evil POS... and NEVER forgive them either.

Ripping infants from their parents, locking kids in filthy shit stained cages, denying them decency and compassion,... pedophilia?... it's all fucking child abuse

A blind man could have seen the evil that would come from having Donnie Dollhands in the White House.

I will not apologize or regret calling out the absolute evil that enabled this shitstain on our country.

If they were too stupid or hateful to not see it when they pulled the lever in the voting booth, they deserve all the scorn that can be heaped upon them.

You seem extremely upset that I'm calling them out...have regrets?

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
49. You don't understsnd it?
Tue Jul 9, 2019, 11:49 AM
Jul 2019

Then expand your base of inquiry and ask the 46 % of Minority Males -- the 33% of Hispanics and 13 percent of Blacks, many of whom.
are parents, why THEY voted for the piece of shit.

Those who can't do that are simply scapegoating. Now you have a nice day.

blue cat

(2,415 posts)
46. I'm half white
Tue Jul 9, 2019, 06:04 AM
Jul 2019

And just the white women I know, knew about both pussy grabbing and the friendship with Epstein, and had twisted reasoning for voting for him anyway. They have earned the scorn against them.

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
48. That's nice, but you'll have to forgive me if I find
Tue Jul 9, 2019, 11:37 AM
Jul 2019

your claim that "the white women you know knew about
both pussy grabbing and the friendship with Epstein" -- two totally different issues -- questionable, since NO one I knew even HEARD of the guy at the time.


As satisfying as you might find 'scorning" white women,
I'm afraid there"s more than one group who've
"earned it".

Consider, for instance, the 33% of male Hispanics, a group Trump directly insulted, who voted for him. After that, you might
think about the 13% of Black men who voted for him, together with
those who didn't vote at all*.

*The turnout for the '16 election among African Americans
was historically low.

Response to maxrandb (Reply #16)

Karadeniz

(22,537 posts)
19. Dear Mr Pierce,
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 05:12 PM
Jul 2019

Trump was more than a running buddy. He went to Epstein s cocaine parties and violently raped Jane Do.. Russian bots, monitored by Anonymous, hacked her lawyer's vomputer.Jane and her family were so threatened, the lawsuit was dropped the day the press assembled for the announcement....Dec 2016, a month before the inauguration.

Where is Mary? What happened to her?

calimary

(81,322 posts)
20. Burn in Hell, Jeffrey Epstein! You detestable fucking BASTARD!
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 05:13 PM
Jul 2019

I hope both Acosta AND trump wind up down there, too. And without air conditioning.

brer cat

(24,578 posts)
27. Thanks for the post, mcar.
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 06:07 PM
Jul 2019

Epstein inhabited a world with no rules and no limits. I guess that is how monsters are created.

moonseller66

(430 posts)
28. Castration?
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 06:10 PM
Jul 2019

Remember some of these judges suggested castrating repeat sexual offenders.
Wouldn't that now be an interesting thought to bring up to those judges about Jackin' Jeff?

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
35. We are already in the process of destroying the rule of law...this is grist for the mill.
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 06:43 PM
Jul 2019

We have a President who openly and brazenly breaks the law...repeatedly.
He is a rapey, creepy, rude, moron and proud of it, as are his 'fans'.

We have a cabinet of criminals we follow his lead constantly.
We have a craven GOP led by an absolute waste of oxygen that flaunts all semblance of regular order.

We have children in cages, parents in tears and immigrants in fear of ICE and deportation.
We have money being shuffled around like a game of Monopoly throughout the government with no regard for the Congress or the Constitutional separation of powers...ditto that with the obstruction of subpoenas for information on numerous issues...

From my vantage point, there is no darker place to go...we are in a midnight, pitch-black dystopian nightmare and I can't wake up...the very concept of light and rule of law and normalcy has been sent out to pasture...

UpInArms

(51,284 posts)
47. Just found this article from 2006
Tue Jul 9, 2019, 07:43 AM
Jul 2019
https://dealbreaker.com/2006/07/meet-nadia-marcinkova-star-girl-of-the-raunchiest-part-of-epstein-scandal

And this was in the affidavit:

Here's the relevant part of the affidavit.

[Annoying redacting ink blot covering up girl’s name] advised that things escalated within the home as Epstein would instruct and pay [ink blot] to have intercourse with his female friend, Nada Marcinkova. [Ink blot] explained the intercourse included strap on dildos, large rubber penis' [sic] and other devices that Epstein had at his disposal. Epstein would watch them have intercourse and masturbate himself. Occasionally, Epstein would then join in during the female on female intercourse and provide oral sex to both [ink blot] and Marcinkova. This occured during the time [ink blot] was sixteen years of age.
[Ink blot] advised that this continued to escalate during two years. The routine became familiar to [ink blot]. Epstein's assistant Sarah [Kellen] would telephone her every time Epstein was in the Town of Palm Beach and would place appointments for her to visit and work for Epstein. [... Ink blot] stated during one visit to Epstein's house in which she provided a massage to Epstein, his female friend, Nada Marcinkova, was also present. [Ink blot] provided the massage in which Marcinkova and her would fondle each others breasts and kiss for Epstein to enjoy. Towards the end of this massage, Epstein grabbed [ink blot] and turned her over onto her stomach on the massage table and forcible insterted his penis into her vagina. [Ink blot] became upset over this. She said her head was being held against the table forcibly, as he continued to pump inside her. She screamed "No!" and Epstein stopped. She told him that she did not want to have his penis inside of her. Epstein did not ejaculate inside of her and apologized for his actions and subsequently paid her a thousand dollars for that visit. [Ink blot] stated she knows he still displays her photographs throughout the house.


I am beyond sick ...

Hotler

(11,425 posts)
52. Pull the fucking curtin back on these so called Masters-of-the-Universe.
Tue Jul 9, 2019, 12:23 PM
Jul 2019

These fuckers like young boys and girls.

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