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Jeffrey Epstein Allegedly Shows There's an Even Darker Side to the Masters-of-the-Universe Mentality
Who else at the top of politics and big business represents the same?
BY CHARLES P. PIERCE
JUL 8, 2019
took me a couple of tries to wade through the muck of the indictment that the Southern District of New York dropped on Jeffrey Epstein on Monday. Every time I got sort of rolling, I'd run into a sentence like this:
It is impossible that Epstein's many influential friends and houseguests didn't know about this. Apparently, Epstein was not shy about his predilections. The current President* of the United States was a frequent running buddy, ...
And before the flying monkeys take wing, let me say that, if any Democratic politician was involved in these late Roman Empire hootenannys, that person should be convicted and buried under the jail as well. This is not a stick-to-politics moment. This is going to screw up the political moment good and proper, though. Unless Epstein cuts a quick deal at the encouragement of all those people who suddenly don't know him anymore, this is going to be a long and garish public spectacle. It's going to devour news cycle after news cycle. And if anything emerges connecting the president* directly to Epstein's alleged crimes, there isn't going to be a news cycle anymore. There will be only this story, over and over again.
This, after all, is the lubricious dark side of the Masters of the Universe mentality that brought us the near collapse of the world economy, and which too many powerful people in our politics became far too comfortable in embracing. If there are no rules worth keeping in business, why should there be any rules worth keeping in your off-hours? (How confident was Epstein that the bell would never toll for him? According to the FBI, they found he'd carefully labeled all the kiddie porn in his collection.) If everything is a commodity to be bought and sold, and if the basic business plan of all your peers is fraud, why stop at just collateralizing home loans? Why not collateralize young girls? After all, of all the deadly sins, greed and lust are the closest cousins.
Meanwhile, a lot of women are finally going to get a chance to tell their stories, and to make whatever peace they can with having been caught up in a ghastly series of events that would shame the Borgias. If some of the people who exploited them are destroyed in the process, that is not their concern, nor ours. Fitzgerald was more right than he knew: the rich are different from you and me. Some of them are monsters.
https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a28324520/jeffrey-epstein-arrested-child-sexual-abuse/
Cirque du So-What
(25,947 posts)for a return of Monsieur Guillotine.
Mme. Defarge
(8,034 posts)BTDT.
Calculating
(2,955 posts)I'm starting to think we need to bring back the Iron Maiden for these creeps.
fierywoman
(7,686 posts)BigmanPigman
(51,611 posts)Yavin4
(35,442 posts)Lots of terrific ideas:
BigmanPigman
(51,611 posts)in regards to the fucking moron for 2 1/2 years, seriously. It relieves my frustration. I want every corrupt enabler to the POTUS to have their assets seized and all of them tortured to the Nth degree throughout eternity....and if they are reincarnated.
* Just writing this makes me feel a little bit better.
colorado_ufo
(5,734 posts)that only diminish ourselves as human beings. It sets us on the road to every-increasing savagery, and eventually to become the same monsters we abhor.
It begins with enjoyment of pain and suffering in others.
Never forget this.
Brainfodder
(6,423 posts)In summary: 0% chance of them repeating.
atreides1
(16,079 posts)Here's an idea...
1. Place them in a wooden building
2. Nail their testicles to a desk that's nailed in place
3. Give them one box cutter with a rusty blade
4. Set the building on fire
cannabis_flower
(3,764 posts)I suspect that a judge would say it's both cruel and unusual.
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,640 posts)Charles Pierce is most definitely worth reading.
dameatball
(7,398 posts)pnwmom
(108,980 posts)mcar
(42,334 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)alphafemale
(18,497 posts)I doubt he's even hit a trot in thirty years.
Grasswire2
(13,571 posts)pnwmom
(108,980 posts)meadowlander
(4,399 posts)Pachamama
(16,887 posts)Calculating
(2,955 posts)Some of the particularly evil ones start thinking of 'new and especially taboo' things to seek. How else do they keep life interesting when they have the world? Next up we'll find out about their secret island where they can hunt the 'most dangerous game' lol.
fierywoman
(7,686 posts)was arson to cover up something truly awful?
Calculating
(2,955 posts)I've seen some photos of Epstein's Island and it has some really weird shit on it. I'm talking strange golden temples with satanic owl statues and stuff on them. Little would shock me at this point. The people into this stuff are a special kind of demented.
LiberalArkie
(15,719 posts)dawg day
(7,947 posts)might be what lets them add on a charge of "trafficking".
GoneOffShore
(17,340 posts)infullview
(981 posts)down with him.
calimary
(81,322 posts)bucolic_frolic
(43,190 posts)Donnie doesn't know the guy!
maxrandb
(15,334 posts)apparently
whathehell
(29,067 posts)Last edited Mon Jul 8, 2019, 06:21 PM - Edit history (1)
his connection to Trump during the '16 election you're apparently referring to, so don't you dare spread this ugly, racist Lie!
dawg day
(7,947 posts)They heard him in his very own voice talk about the pleasure of grabbing women, and they heard a dozen women accuse him of that sort of thing, and they still voted for him. (I'm a white woman, btw, and I voted for the other one, like any woman of any color- including white- or any brains did. Oh, sorry, am I going to hurt the Trump-women's feelings?)
And the whole Epstein-Trump connections been known for a decade at least. I knew it (but then, I read that super-serious policy journal, Vanity Fair).
whathehell
(29,067 posts)slander the women of ANY race with that stupid, slanderous LIE. End of Story.
P.S. The idea that "everybody" knew about the Trump/ Epstein connection is patently absurd.. I subscribe to Vanity Fair, am a news junkie and all around voracious reader and I never heard of Epstein until about a year or two ago -- Stop enabling the ugly, race based trashing of white women.
Hekate
(90,714 posts)whathehell
(29,067 posts)It's an ugly, bigoted lie. I alerted on it myself awhile ago -- Let's see if
if your "luck" is any better than mine. If not, I'd say we have a growing problem here, that I'd be glad to discuss with you via pm.
maxrandb
(15,334 posts)who voted for the pu$$y grabbing moron.
They are apparently fine with this type of behavior.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)not children, so it's hardly the same.
As to the Trump voting women (a small majority) being "fine" with that kind of behavior on grown women, I'm not even sure if that's true, given that many blew it off as bs "locker room' talk.
That said, it can't, under ANY circumstances be conflated with mothers "gladly" sending their children to be raped by pedophiles.
That's an ugly, false, and hateful assertion.and you really should delete it.
maxrandb
(15,334 posts)if the polls show that a majority of white women didn't again vote for the pu$$y grabbing moron.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)If not, I really hope you don't have children.
maxrandb
(15,334 posts)That's why I can never understand ANY parent of girls EVER voting for this evil POS... and NEVER forgive them either.
Ripping infants from their parents, locking kids in filthy shit stained cages, denying them decency and compassion,... pedophilia?... it's all fucking child abuse
A blind man could have seen the evil that would come from having Donnie Dollhands in the White House.
I will not apologize or regret calling out the absolute evil that enabled this shitstain on our country.
If they were too stupid or hateful to not see it when they pulled the lever in the voting booth, they deserve all the scorn that can be heaped upon them.
You seem extremely upset that I'm calling them out...have regrets?
whathehell
(29,067 posts)Then expand your base of inquiry and ask the 46 % of Minority Males -- the 33% of Hispanics and 13 percent of Blacks, many of whom.
are parents, why THEY voted for the piece of shit.
Those who can't do that are simply scapegoating. Now you have a nice day.
maddiemom
(5,106 posts)blue cat
(2,415 posts)And just the white women I know, knew about both pussy grabbing and the friendship with Epstein, and had twisted reasoning for voting for him anyway. They have earned the scorn against them.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)your claim that "the white women you know knew about
both pussy grabbing and the friendship with Epstein" -- two totally different issues -- questionable, since NO one I knew even HEARD of the guy at the time.
As satisfying as you might find 'scorning" white women,
I'm afraid there"s more than one group who've
"earned it".
Consider, for instance, the 33% of male Hispanics, a group Trump directly insulted, who voted for him. After that, you might
think about the 13% of Black men who voted for him, together with
those who didn't vote at all*.
*The turnout for the '16 election among African Americans
was historically low.
blue cat
(2,415 posts)has some tortured reasoning in it.
Just stop.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)Response to maxrandb (Reply #16)
whathehell This message was self-deleted by its author.
Hekate
(90,714 posts)sandensea
(21,639 posts)Of which Cheeto is just the most visible and clownish manifestation.
Karadeniz
(22,537 posts)Trump was more than a running buddy. He went to Epstein s cocaine parties and violently raped Jane Do.. Russian bots, monitored by Anonymous, hacked her lawyer's vomputer.Jane and her family were so threatened, the lawsuit was dropped the day the press assembled for the announcement....Dec 2016, a month before the inauguration.
Where is Mary? What happened to her?
calimary
(81,322 posts)I hope both Acosta AND trump wind up down there, too. And without air conditioning.
Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)brer cat
(24,578 posts)Epstein inhabited a world with no rules and no limits. I guess that is how monsters are created.
Laws don't seem to apply to the rich.
moonseller66
(430 posts)Remember some of these judges suggested castrating repeat sexual offenders.
Wouldn't that now be an interesting thought to bring up to those judges about Jackin' Jeff?
Moostache
(9,895 posts)We have a President who openly and brazenly breaks the law...repeatedly.
He is a rapey, creepy, rude, moron and proud of it, as are his 'fans'.
We have a cabinet of criminals we follow his lead constantly.
We have a craven GOP led by an absolute waste of oxygen that flaunts all semblance of regular order.
We have children in cages, parents in tears and immigrants in fear of ICE and deportation.
We have money being shuffled around like a game of Monopoly throughout the government with no regard for the Congress or the Constitutional separation of powers...ditto that with the obstruction of subpoenas for information on numerous issues...
From my vantage point, there is no darker place to go...we are in a midnight, pitch-black dystopian nightmare and I can't wake up...the very concept of light and rule of law and normalcy has been sent out to pasture...
UpInArms
(51,284 posts)And this was in the affidavit:
[Annoying redacting ink blot covering up girls name] advised that things escalated within the home as Epstein would instruct and pay [ink blot] to have intercourse with his female friend, Nada Marcinkova. [Ink blot] explained the intercourse included strap on dildos, large rubber penis' [sic] and other devices that Epstein had at his disposal. Epstein would watch them have intercourse and masturbate himself. Occasionally, Epstein would then join in during the female on female intercourse and provide oral sex to both [ink blot] and Marcinkova. This occured during the time [ink blot] was sixteen years of age.
[Ink blot] advised that this continued to escalate during two years. The routine became familiar to [ink blot]. Epstein's assistant Sarah [Kellen] would telephone her every time Epstein was in the Town of Palm Beach and would place appointments for her to visit and work for Epstein. [... Ink blot] stated during one visit to Epstein's house in which she provided a massage to Epstein, his female friend, Nada Marcinkova, was also present. [Ink blot] provided the massage in which Marcinkova and her would fondle each others breasts and kiss for Epstein to enjoy. Towards the end of this massage, Epstein grabbed [ink blot] and turned her over onto her stomach on the massage table and forcible insterted his penis into her vagina. [Ink blot] became upset over this. She said her head was being held against the table forcibly, as he continued to pump inside her. She screamed "No!" and Epstein stopped. She told him that she did not want to have his penis inside of her. Epstein did not ejaculate inside of her and apologized for his actions and subsequently paid her a thousand dollars for that visit. [Ink blot] stated she knows he still displays her photographs throughout the house.
I am beyond sick ...
Hotler
(11,425 posts)These fuckers like young boys and girls.
dlk
(11,569 posts)Gluttony isn't just for food.