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Stuart G

(38,436 posts)
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 03:53 PM Jul 2019

Epstein is cooked, fried, burnt to a crisp and in danger of a life sentence:

Last edited Mon Jul 8, 2019, 09:36 PM - Edit history (1)

Read this article from CNN, it explains it far better than I can. Department of Labor Secretary Alex Acosta is probably cooked too, and I am not an expert on cooking. I give you this link to show how much trouble this fellow is in. The article also infers that some of those other people (Epsteiin's friends and others) who partook in sex with the young women are also cooked. But that is too far in the future. One conclusion is that Epstein will probably never see the outside of a jail cell again. You be the judge of the rest of this article. from CNN:

written by Elie Honig
update 1:36pm ET, 7/8/19...article title:

The next big question about Jeffrey Epstein

https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/08/opinions/epstein-trafficking-molesting-sdny-indictment-honig/index.html

(CNN) " Jeffrey Epstein dodged justice the first time he faced criminal charges for trafficking and molesting children, exploiting a combination of wealth, influence, vile attack-the-victim tactics and an incompetent prosecutor, then-US Attorney for the Southern District of Florida and current US Department of Labor Secretary Alex Acosta. This time, however, Epstein is likely cooked. He faces charges likely to keep him behind bars for the rest of his life. The famously aggressive and independent Southern District of New York (where I worked for eight-plus years) has indicted him on charges of running a sex trafficking ring in which he allegedly sexually abused dozens of girls. Neither SDNY nor a public spotlight will permit a hush-hush sweetheart deal like Epstein got in Florida. The big question is, as the SDNY takes down Epstein, who else will go with him?

When he first faced sex trafficking charges in Florida in 2007, Epstein skated. His powerhouse team of attorneys somehow worked with Acosta to craft an agreement that was staggeringly unjust. Epstein faced decades behind bars but Acosta let him go with a plea to two minor state-level charges (for which he was sentenced to 13 months behind bars but served most of it on work release). The deal also inexplicably immunized Epstein's co-conspirators. In 14-plus years as a prosecutor, I've never even heard of the concept of giving a free pass to a defendant's co-conspirators. Worse, as a federal judge ruled recently, Acosta violated the rights of Epstein's victims by entering into the sweetheart plea deal without notifying them first, as the law requires.

The New York indictment was unsealed Monday and details allegations that between 2002 and 2005, Epstein ran a trafficking outfit in which he paid hundreds of dollars to girls as young as 14 to have sex with him at his homes in New York and Florida and worked with employees and associates who would lure these girls there and paid some of them to recruit others for similar abuse. CNN has reached out to Epstein's lawyer for comment. In a press release, the US Attorney's office said, "Epstein created a vast network of underage victims for him to sexually exploit, often on a daily basis."

Things now look bleak for Epstein. Simply being charged by the SDNY is, in itself, a defendant's nightmare. According to Justice Department data, the conviction rate on federal charges is typically over 90%, and the conviction rate in federal human trafficking cases is even a tick higher than that." Much of the case likely will center on testimony from Epstein's victims. While Epstein's attorneys in Florida cowed Acosta in part through a vicious campaign to attack the victims, the SDNY needs to stand firm. I've done sex trafficking cases, including a trial based largely on the testimony of victims. In my experience, victims typically have no reason to lie, and juries can and will believe victims, particularly if their voices are supported by other evidence. Knowing the SDNY, they've likely got other corroborating evidence.-- perhaps phone records, financial documents, e-mails or texts or travel records -- to back up the victims.

........rest of article at link above

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Epstein is cooked, fried, burnt to a crisp and in danger of a life sentence: (Original Post) Stuart G Jul 2019 OP
Still can't believe Barr or Spanky didnt warn that wanker Epstein donkeypoofed Jul 2019 #1
He just recused himself from the case. Trump will not be happy. dewsgirl Jul 2019 #2
Well, that's a positive sign n/t shanti Jul 2019 #5
He did??? leftieNanner Jul 2019 #9
YES, look!!! Leghorn21 Jul 2019 #16
Holy crap! That means Epstein is toast! SunSeeker Jul 2019 #28
Would also like Acosta's cabinet position to be toast too. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2019 #41
If Barr actually recused himself, he may be in trouble with The Boss. nt NCjack Jul 2019 #57
Barr Recused. True Blue American Jul 2019 #61
From the Alternet article: "It was unclear if Barr would follow through on recusal, ..." NCjack Jul 2019 #62
Wow, thanks, girl!!!!! Leghorn21 Jul 2019 #17
..... dewsgirl Jul 2019 #20
Here's hoping there is proof of Trump enjoying Epstein's sex parties. Lonestarblue Jul 2019 #53
Modeling agencies True Blue American Jul 2019 #59
Radioactive elevator48 Jul 2019 #21
I realize I'm dreaming here but I pray the orange one is caught wrapped up in this. dewsgirl Jul 2019 #24
+1 SunSeeker Jul 2019 #30
Not me, Dan Jul 2019 #38
Oh, Goddess, me too. No POS deserves it more. I pray there are photos of ALL Nay Jul 2019 #44
It certainly will be telling how unhappy trump becomes with barr over the next few days... Salviati Jul 2019 #26
Barr recused himself? True Blue American Jul 2019 #56
whew I thought u meant the reporter Acosta... samnsara Jul 2019 #3
"Acosta is probably cooked too, and I am not an expert on cooking." Adsos Letter Jul 2019 #4
dems need to press Acosta and demand resignation or termination AlexSFCA Jul 2019 #6
I can't believe Bone Spurs hasn't cut him loose yet. mobeau69 Jul 2019 #7
It kind of died until the weekend Trenzalore Jul 2019 #31
Anyone, R or D, who was mixed up in this needs to fry forever in prison. nt Nay Jul 2019 #45
Agreed Trenzalore Jul 2019 #51
"trumpons" bhahahahah!!! The best yet zooks Jul 2019 #48
As Frank said this is public corruption and it stinks malaise Jul 2019 #8
The strangest aspect of this is that Epstein was absolutely sure that he could get away with this. Stuart G Jul 2019 #11
Just like the Con malaise Jul 2019 #12
Thank You....for saying those words, .."Just like the Con. They think they are untouchable" Stuart G Jul 2019 #15
That probably means Epstein has kompromat - lots of it FakeNoose Jul 2019 #18
I don't understand how that would have helped him. Disaffected Jul 2019 #47
I don't think the state of Florida would arrest him FakeNoose Jul 2019 #49
Not just republicans elevator48 Jul 2019 #23
Turn the light on them all. Salviati Jul 2019 #29
Correct Trenzalore Jul 2019 #33
IIRC, this will also involve Prince Andrew. luvtheGWN Jul 2019 #55
Burn them all!!! I don't care what goddamn party they belong to!! nt Nay Jul 2019 #46
nice whataboutism Skittles Jul 2019 #65
You dont know that and until there is evidence you should not smear Democrats. Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #70
He doesn't fly commercial. Has two jets and, according to the FBI, at least one is mobeau69 Jul 2019 #42
Probably did not True Blue American Jul 2019 #67
Trump: You did a yuuuge favor for my pedo buddy...how bout a cabinet position. Thomas Hurt Jul 2019 #10
"Epstein is cooked" mitch96 Jul 2019 #13
yep, I have zero faith in the unequal justice system in this country. nt yaesu Jul 2019 #19
Too much sunlight to hide this mess now, or get a sweetheart deal. Dan Jul 2019 #39
I hope you right.nt zooks Jul 2019 #50
Epstein's a member of the Trilateral Commission, as well as the zooks Jul 2019 #52
I don't think Acosta was "cowed" or "incompetent." I think he was corrupt. nt tblue37 Jul 2019 #14
Of course he is True Blue American Jul 2019 #68
I absolutely refuse to get my hopes up SHRED Jul 2019 #22
Right? bucolic_frolic Jul 2019 #27
Same here. BigmanPigman Jul 2019 #32
Yup StarryNite Jul 2019 #34
I know. How many OPs have I read here saying "_____ is cooked, done for, stick a fork in him." cwydro Jul 2019 #40
This feels like the Michael Cohen raid Generic Brad Jul 2019 #66
This case has justifiably taken the focus off the Mueller Report bucolic_frolic Jul 2019 #25
But it was so long ago, most over 15 long years in the past elias7 Jul 2019 #35
Lock him up, and make him turn in the other folks involved IronLionZion Jul 2019 #36
Please let trump and Barr get their involvement aired. Karadeniz Jul 2019 #37
Are these federal charges? If so, his buddy the Idiot and fellow molester can onetexan Jul 2019 #43
And in danger of falling off a 5th story window sandensea Jul 2019 #54
Granted, but who else is involved... paleotn Jul 2019 #58
FTR, Acosta is Alex Acosta, current Labor Sec, not DeminPennswoods Jul 2019 #60
Perhaps customerserviceguy Jul 2019 #63
K&R Scurrilous Jul 2019 #64
Wonder if there's a link to Pecker's vault... meadowlander Jul 2019 #69

leftieNanner

(15,124 posts)
9. He did???
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 04:16 PM
Jul 2019

That's excellent news. He has deep connections with Epstein, so it was the right thing to do. Just not something I would have expected in these times.

NCjack

(10,279 posts)
62. From the Alternet article: "It was unclear if Barr would follow through on recusal, ..."
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 07:10 PM
Jul 2019

After Trump kicks the crap out of Barr, maybe he will not recuse.

Leghorn21

(13,524 posts)
17. Wow, thanks, girl!!!!!
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 04:42 PM
Jul 2019

He sure did!!!

OMG tRump will be having cows and shitting bricks and otherwise FREAKED THE FUCK OUT behind this news!!!!!!!

This day’s just getting better and better!!

BOOM ALL YOU CRIMINALLY INSANE MUTHAFUKKAHS

Lonestarblue

(10,012 posts)
53. Here's hoping there is proof of Trump enjoying Epstein's sex parties.
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 06:24 PM
Jul 2019

With under age girls. Can’t wait to see how his perfect Christian hypocrites justify that.

 

elevator48

(53 posts)
21. Radioactive
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 05:07 PM
Jul 2019

This case is so explosive nobody will want anything to do with it. No pardon either. It would be an admission of guilt and render Epstien's 5th amendment rights moot. This is gonna be huge.

Dan

(3,570 posts)
38. Not me,
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 05:37 PM
Jul 2019

But I would be okay with Individual #1 being identified as an unindicted person of interest.

Nay

(12,051 posts)
44. Oh, Goddess, me too. No POS deserves it more. I pray there are photos of ALL
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 06:03 PM
Jul 2019

these fucking perverts in the act. They all need to burn.

Adsos Letter

(19,459 posts)
4. "Acosta is probably cooked too, and I am not an expert on cooking."
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 04:01 PM
Jul 2019

The seriousness of this op aside, that is a great line!

AlexSFCA

(6,139 posts)
6. dems need to press Acosta and demand resignation or termination
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 04:10 PM
Jul 2019

the effort alone will bring Epstein case right into forefront of congress for the whole world to analyze his connection to trump.

mobeau69

(11,145 posts)
7. I can't believe Bone Spurs hasn't cut him loose yet.
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 04:12 PM
Jul 2019

The deal he gave Epstein needs to be explained to trumpons. I think if explained slowly by someone like Mayor Pete they may have a low wattage light bulb come on.

Trenzalore

(2,331 posts)
31. It kind of died until the weekend
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 05:17 PM
Jul 2019

They pressed him a little in a hearing but seemed to drop it.

I have a bad feeling there is a lot of bipartisan skeletons about to be revealed about people in both parties if Epstein lives to see trial.

malaise

(269,056 posts)
8. As Frank said this is public corruption and it stinks
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 04:15 PM
Jul 2019

It's going to blow wide open. Get your masks - the ReTHUG cesspool is about to stink up the place and the stench will make manure smell like Nina Ricci's best scents.

Stuart G

(38,436 posts)
11. The strangest aspect of this is that Epstein was absolutely sure that he could get away with this.
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 04:26 PM
Jul 2019

Like most crooks, his attitude is that.." no one will catch me. I have got it all covered." All the connections that Epstein had with the .."ReTHUG cesspool" will be..exposed ..Now one word is extremely important...in the last sentence....."All"

...All is not some, or a few. All is All. I like your quote: "...the stench will make manure smell like Nina Riccis best scents."

Who do you suppose is part of the....ALL?

Stuart G

(38,436 posts)
15. Thank You....for saying those words, .."Just like the Con. They think they are untouchable"
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 04:39 PM
Jul 2019

Nixon, Haldeman and Ehrlichman thought exactly the same thoughts. (I am untouchable) And those 3 were totally wrong.

FakeNoose

(32,645 posts)
18. That probably means Epstein has kompromat - lots of it
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 04:53 PM
Jul 2019

They got him in New York because he flew back from Europe. What an idiot! He must have thought the feds never look at the incoming passenger lists.

He could have flown into Toronto and driven across the border. They probably wouldn't have looked at Canadian passenger lists. But this guy is too cocky because he's been getting away with it for way too long.

All in all it's a good day for law enforcement.

Disaffected

(4,557 posts)
47. I don't understand how that would have helped him.
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 06:12 PM
Jul 2019

Couldn't they arrest him anyway (after he re-entered the US)?

FakeNoose

(32,645 posts)
49. I don't think the state of Florida would arrest him
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 06:15 PM
Jul 2019

That would be double jeopardy, am I right? I'm not a lawyer but I'm guessing he's OK just about everywhere except the state of New York.

Salviati

(6,008 posts)
29. Turn the light on them all.
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 05:14 PM
Jul 2019

Pull them all squirming into the sunshine and let the chips fall where they may.

mobeau69

(11,145 posts)
42. He doesn't fly commercial. Has two jets and, according to the FBI, at least one is
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 05:57 PM
Jul 2019

capable for international flights. They detailed that in the filing to the judge when they requested no bail. Surprised somebody didn't tip him off that the FBI was waiting.

mitch96

(13,912 posts)
13. "Epstein is cooked"
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 04:35 PM
Jul 2019

I hope your right and never underestimate a very wealthy man with connections in high places. All these guys are connected to each other. To prevent Epstein from squealing like a pig they will try to lessen his sentence like Acosta did...
I'll believe it when the sentence is read and the jail cell door closes...
paranoia proven by history..
m

zooks

(308 posts)
52. Epstein's a member of the Trilateral Commission, as well as the
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 06:23 PM
Jul 2019

the Council on Foreign Relations, the New York Academy of Sciences, and the Institute of International Education.

According to the following 2011 VF article, he has friends in the highest places, this is just a snip


[As of 2011] His current fan club extends to Cayne, Henry Rosovsky, the former dean of Harvard’s Faculty of Arts and Sciences, and Larry Summers, Harvard’s current president. Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz says, “I’m on my 20th book…. The only person outside of my immediate family that I send drafts to is Jeffrey.” Real-estate developer and philanthropist Marshall Rose, who has worked with Epstein on projects in New Albany, Ohio, for Wexner, says, “He digests and decodes the information very rapidly, which is to me terrific because we have shorter meetings.”

Also on the list of admirers are former senator George Mitchell and a gaggle of distinguished scientists, most of whom Epstein has helped fund in recent years. They include Nobel Prize winners Gerald Edelman and Murray Gell-Mann, and mathematical biologist Martin Nowak. When these men describe Epstein, they talk about “energy” and “curiosity,” as well as a love for theoretical physics that they don’t ordinarily find in laymen. Gell-Mann rather sweetly mentions that “there are always pretty ladies around” when he goes to dinner chez Epstein, and he’s under the impression that Epstein’s clients include the Queen of England. Both Nowak and Dershowitz were thrilled to find themselves shaking the hand of a man named “Andrew” in Epstein’s house. “Andrew” turned out to be Prince Andrew, who subsequently arranged to sit in the back of Dershowitz’s law class.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2003/03/jeffrey-epstein-200303




 

SHRED

(28,136 posts)
22. I absolutely refuse to get my hopes up
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 05:07 PM
Jul 2019

How many times have we been to these places only for nothing?

bucolic_frolic

(43,188 posts)
27. Right?
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 05:13 PM
Jul 2019

you just wonder when, if, how one of these cases will link them all together. I think the answer is that Trump is using gatekeepers such as Barr, McConnell, or just sheer confusion over all the corruption to block progress.

Who has the power to carry it out? SDNY. But Trump appointed US Attorney Berman there.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
40. I know. How many OPs have I read here saying "_____ is cooked, done for, stick a fork in him."
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 05:40 PM
Jul 2019

Dozens. Just fill in the blank with a name.

I’ve seen the orange buffoon’s name there many, many times.

bucolic_frolic

(43,188 posts)
25. This case has justifiably taken the focus off the Mueller Report
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 05:10 PM
Jul 2019

for the time being, but some of the individuals overlap.

Are there still cases handed off to SDNY by OSC, or don't we know yet?

elias7

(4,008 posts)
35. But it was so long ago, most over 15 long years in the past
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 05:22 PM
Jul 2019

They were all just kids, just locker room talk...

IronLionZion

(45,457 posts)
36. Lock him up, and make him turn in the other folks involved
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 05:23 PM
Jul 2019

especially any powerful famous folks who don't want us to know.

sandensea

(21,639 posts)
54. And in danger of falling off a 5th story window
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 06:30 PM
Jul 2019

Or of accidentally shooting himself in the head. Twice.

paleotn

(17,931 posts)
58. Granted, but who else is involved...
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 06:54 PM
Jul 2019

I don't want Jeffey to be a sacrificial lamb while the rest of the slime go unpunished.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
63. Perhaps
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 08:59 PM
Jul 2019

but he has enough money to buy top notch lawyers that can get anything delayed. After November 2020, he's in line for a pardon, no matter how the election goes.

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