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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDo Trump/ICE raids equal Kristallnacht?
Hadn't registered in my mind until just now triggered by a recent pic.
"Also known as The Night of the Broken Glass. On this night, November 9, 1938, almost 200 synagogues were destroyed, over 8,000 Jewish shops were sacked and looted, and tens of thousands of Jews were removed to concentration camps."
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)brooklynite
(94,585 posts)I'll admit that Trump is engaging in symbolic action to rev up his base. BUT, unless yoo endorse a policy of open borders, then these people don't have a right to be in the Country AND have all been through the judicial process. ICE is picking up and deporting people for whom the Courts have issued deportation orders.
bigbrother05
(5,995 posts)Their clear intent is to terrorize not only the targets, but the entire immigrant community.
Sweeping raids that will likely result in collateral injuries or deaths across the country is a message to even the documented aliens to keep their heads down.
Given the numbers they will be looking for, how many mistakes (i.e. similar names, old addresses, etc.) will drag innocents into this disaster?
TheRealNorth
(9,481 posts)Hitler and the Nazis had stripped Jews of any rights by then.
Once you start playing the "well, it's not illegal" game, we have already lost because one way or the other, they will make it legal.
hack89
(39,171 posts)what rights are they being deprived of?
TheRealNorth
(9,481 posts)Not to be stuffed in cages like the Nazis stuffed the Jews in train cars.
hack89
(39,171 posts)I agree there is no need to prolong the process.
TheRealNorth
(9,481 posts)Hope you get on the plane too.
hack89
(39,171 posts)How hard is it to have a plane ready to go? Not like they havent had plenty of time to plan this.
lame54
(35,292 posts)Your response disgusts me
brooklynite
(94,585 posts)If so, your policy is inconsistent with every Democratic office holder.
If not, how do you propose to enforce the laws on the books? Again, these people have all had immigration hearings and have all been ordered to be be deported.
obamanut2012
(26,079 posts)backscatter712
(26,355 posts)ICE has become the fist of the new Jim Crow. There's nothing proper or decent about what they do.
Thomas Hurt
(13,903 posts)to make more things moral.
comradebillyboy
(10,151 posts)TheRealNorth
(9,481 posts)And when they're all wearing swastikas, and then you will be comfortable with calling them fascists?
Granted there are different degrees to their actions and what our responses should be, but to not see the parallels is willing blindness.
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)They built up to it.
So yes, I'd say we're about the same place as Germany was in about 1933 or so. The death count wasn't in the millions yet at the time - they were still in the deport-the-Jews phase. The "showers" and ovens came later.
Igel
(35,317 posts)That doesn't mean that in 12 years they're going to take over the US and in 23 years we'll start purges.
Turin_C3PO
(13,998 posts)than 1906 Russia. Theres currently not a communist threat but there damn sure is a fascist one. But I think you know that.
Thomas Hurt
(13,903 posts)Nazis were of a certain time and place in history.
Trump is a modern day American fascist.
A fear mongering, scapegoating, racist, misogynistic, religion co-opting, militaristic, ultranationalist, fascist.
hack89
(39,171 posts)highplainsdem
(48,993 posts)dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)so that comparison is somewhat limited to a single event.
Another "night" that we could see repeated in history is Night of the Long Knives.
Also killed that night were hundreds of other perceived opponents of Hitler.
Celerity
(43,399 posts)Trump, to duplicate that, would have to go after Rethugs, not Dems, as it was an internal Nazi purging. Only thing (and it is not totally congruous) I could think of would be military leaders who were tested and refused to go along with a true Rump/Rethug military coup that would install him as dictator for life (to be followed by Ivanka perhaps).
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)as the right-wing armed groups, which, at this point, trump still sees as helpful goons.
Celerity
(43,399 posts)The ragtag neo-nazis and white power/nationalist scum (the 'organised' ones), in the US are nowhere near as numerous and certainly not equal in organisation and military power. Their threat level to overthrowing Rump (the SA was deffo a threat to having a coup versus Hitler, as the official army, the Reichswehr, was limited to only 100,000 standing members) pales in comparison.
TheRealNorth
(9,481 posts)I mean, this is political theater that is trying to get people "used to" these sudden raids and round-ups of "undesirables". Its not like they couldn't accomplish the same goal of arresting the undocumented immigrants over a longer period of time.
Raine
(30,540 posts)Everyman Jackal
(271 posts)One difference is that some cities I don't know how many are refusing to give ICE any help which is their right under the Constitution.
AncientGeezer
(2,146 posts)Va Lefty
(6,252 posts)Thomas Hurt
(13,903 posts)bearsfootball516
(6,377 posts)Sneederbunk
(14,291 posts)Behind the Aegis
(53,959 posts)Stench of appropriation.
DeminPennswoods
(15,286 posts)when Americans were terrified of immigrants after a bombing on Wall Street said to carried out by Italian anarchists.
As I understand it, there were also regular raids on homes of Italians and Germans during WWII because of fear they would somehow signal Germany and Italy.