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Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 07:54 AM Jul 2019

The Hill:. Trump approval rating ticks up to 47% !!!

https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-americas-thinking/452448-trump-approval-ticks-up-to-47-percent


7/10/2019

President Trump’s approval rating has ticked slightly upward, according to a new Hill-HarrisX poll released on Wednesday.

The survey found 47 percent of Americans approve of the job Trump is doing in the White House, a figure that represents a 2-point increase from when the same poll was conducted two weeks ago. Trump’s disapproval rating, meanwhile, is down 2 points at 53 percent.

Trump’s approval rating was a little stronger among older Americans. Fifty percent of respondents 65 and older approved of Trump's performance.

Meanwhile, 41 percent of respondents between the ages of 18 and 34 approved of Trump, as did 48 percent of those between the ages of 35 and 49.
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The Hill:. Trump approval rating ticks up to 47% !!! (Original Post) Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2019 OP
How can this continue to go up Norbert Jul 2019 #1
I call BS on many of these polls. I wouldn't worry, remember dewsgirl Jul 2019 #4
BUT THE POLLS, AVERAGED, are at 44%. Grasswire2 Jul 2019 #36
That's way too high. These Americans (approving Trump) must average the IQ of a moron or are just triron Jul 2019 #40
Mainly very different priorities Amishman Jul 2019 #48
It is So simple Butterflylady Jul 2019 #59
It probably isn't going up. Bradical79 Jul 2019 #66
America is lost. spanone Jul 2019 #2
:) As long as your vote isn't. Remember the midterms. Hortensis Jul 2019 #41
Every election Turin_C3PO Jul 2019 #46
Yes. In this blood-red rural Georgia area, almost everyone Hortensis Jul 2019 #47
I don't believe those numbers. I just don't. nt leftyladyfrommo Jul 2019 #3
I agree 100%. dewsgirl Jul 2019 #5
Neither do I. smirkymonkey Jul 2019 #24
Visit a rural area, these numbers are probably only inflated a few percent Amishman Jul 2019 #28
It's likely not 47%, but in the lower 40's Polybius Jul 2019 #35
Gee, I wonder why BeyondGeography Jul 2019 #6
I believe it. Twitter outrage is not real life. tman Jul 2019 #7
Why are Democrats hell bent on throwing the election? watoos Jul 2019 #9
More things matter in life than just the fucking economy. BlueStater Jul 2019 #22
You're pointing out the obvious tman Jul 2019 #61
I know he can win again. BlueStater Jul 2019 #62
I don't believe in polls, good or bad, watoos Jul 2019 #8
I think though that we have to operate under the Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2019 #10
Yep. Just look at the breakdown. GoCubsGo Jul 2019 #12
Yeah, all his great victories lately, in court about twitter, about his census question, Mc Mike Jul 2019 #11
What having your own Roy Cohn can do is incredible. Kid Berwyn Jul 2019 #13
42.4% on 538. teamster633 Jul 2019 #14
Remarkably stable despite the occasional noisy outlier poll. John Fante Jul 2019 #60
Removed The Hill from my reading list, thank you! Brainfodder Jul 2019 #15
Average of all polls shows no change. Single polls tell us little. Cicada Jul 2019 #16
Where do these pollsters ask their questions? Talitha Jul 2019 #17
I have never been polled in my life either. smirkymonkey Jul 2019 #25
Nope, not once. Not in 64 years. trev Jul 2019 #50
I believe it.. many don't pay attention. They see the DOW up Oregon1947 Jul 2019 #18
This shows a massive failure of leadership and communication ecstatic Jul 2019 #19
I agree. We can debate the accuracy of these polls or learn something from them now before it is emmaverybo Jul 2019 #54
Yes elleng Jul 2019 #58
Online Poll? SUSPECT plus below LiberalFighter Jul 2019 #20
We didn't kick Trump when he was down. We didn't move toward impeaching him Tom Rinaldo Jul 2019 #21
+1 dalton99a Jul 2019 #26
Good point Poiuyt Jul 2019 #63
the only thing he has going for him is the economy book_worm Jul 2019 #23
And Trump is very diligent about stirring up the base dalton99a Jul 2019 #33
Who the F are these people? wryter2000 Jul 2019 #27
They are folks who are too lazy to learn what is really going on. riversedge Jul 2019 #43
we need to realize it's going to be a 50/50 election again qazplm135 Jul 2019 #29
some extremely high % of americans have felt nothing from what is going on and know nothing pangaia Jul 2019 #30
Some people only care about their wallet. Turin_C3PO Jul 2019 #32
true in more ways than one... pangaia Jul 2019 #67
I have a theory Bettie Jul 2019 #31
That's an interesting theory. Turin_C3PO Jul 2019 #34
It is the only thing that Bettie Jul 2019 #37
Good point Polybius Jul 2019 #38
Short polls are the best Bettie Jul 2019 #39
Interesting point JonAndKatePlusABird Jul 2019 #44
Another possibility. (Hold on to your hats.) Eyeball_Kid Jul 2019 #57
hmmm struggle4progress Jul 2019 #42
If any previous President was in 40's that was considered very bad. Trump sits in mid forties silentEcho Jul 2019 #45
He's at 42.% aggregated approval at 538 DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2019 #49
Economy is keeping him afloat AlexSFCA Jul 2019 #51
Aside from faux, this is the real fake news. onecaliberal Jul 2019 #52
Again, the numbers to compare are strongly approve, strongly disapprove DeminPennswoods Jul 2019 #53
No matter what happens all I hear from our Boomerproud Jul 2019 #55
Weak argument anyway. If you have to tell people Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2019 #68
This is not my country. Eyeball_Kid Jul 2019 #56
538 Aggregate is around 42%-43% Bradical79 Jul 2019 #64
Yes -- and 538 gives that Harris poll a C+ . n/t pnwmom Jul 2019 #65

Norbert

(6,040 posts)
1. How can this continue to go up
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 08:00 AM
Jul 2019

The only thing the idiot has done successfully this week was cheat on his golf game.

dewsgirl

(14,961 posts)
4. I call BS on many of these polls. I wouldn't worry, remember
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 08:07 AM
Jul 2019

some of these polls are bought and paid for. Also who knows what the actual sample group is. There is no way his approval is ticking up.

Grasswire2

(13,571 posts)
36. BUT THE POLLS, AVERAGED, are at 44%.
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 12:16 PM
Jul 2019

Don't take any one for THE POLL.

AVERAGED, they are at 44 percent.

So says MSNBC.

triron

(22,019 posts)
40. That's way too high. These Americans (approving Trump) must average the IQ of a moron or are just
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 12:26 PM
Jul 2019

insane.

Amishman

(5,559 posts)
48. Mainly very different priorities
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 01:26 PM
Jul 2019

President Obama was pretty accurate when he said rural Pennsylvanians were bitter people who cling to guns and God. They know what matters to them and we don't have much to offer someone from that culture. Intelligence isn't the issue, culture is.

Butterflylady

(3,547 posts)
59. It is So simple
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 02:40 PM
Jul 2019

They do not know because they are so busy trying to keep their head above water they aren't paying attention. That's why our 2020 candidates need to stop tearing other candidates apart and start driving the nail into into the anal idiot. Get peoples attention.

As for polls, the media needs to keep it a horse race so who knows where and who they are polling.

 

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
66. It probably isn't going up.
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 06:06 PM
Jul 2019

IMO, the only Presidential poll worth anything (that I'm aware of off hand) is 538's aggregate. It's an aggregate of all the polls with each one adjusted and rated for a variety of factors (methodology, partisan lean, sample size, time period). Taking all that into account, the Harris poll is calculated at -11.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
41. :) As long as your vote isn't. Remember the midterms.
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 12:26 PM
Jul 2019

Approval up or not, these people are a strong minority. So plan to take pair of nonvoters to the polls with you. I'm sure you have friends who blame Democrats for what the Republicans are doing. It's a big clue to their own culpability.

Turin_C3PO

(14,033 posts)
46. Every election
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 01:03 PM
Jul 2019

I make it my goal to convince two non-voters to vote Democratic. I think if we all did that, we’d never lose again.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
47. Yes. In this blood-red rural Georgia area, almost everyone
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 01:24 PM
Jul 2019

votes or doesn't and should be left to it. Back in California I knew a number of prospects, the kind who claim liberal values but deplore both parties in uncaring ignorance and don't bother to vote.

I've been working very indirectly on the woman who cuts my hair, though, ever since I learned she didn't vote even in 2016 or 2018. (It was either that or dump her in disgust.) Trying to detect feelings of altruism or a moral core as we and others in the shop chat briefly about events hasn't yielded anything, but I'm pretty sure she's not definitely conservative.

Amishman

(5,559 posts)
28. Visit a rural area, these numbers are probably only inflated a few percent
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 12:04 PM
Jul 2019

The further you go from a city, the more they love Trump

He is very popular in my area and they give him credit for the economy. If it tanks, he will tank

Polybius

(15,472 posts)
35. It's likely not 47%, but in the lower 40's
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 12:14 PM
Jul 2019

Nearly every poll puts him around 43% or so, so I'll go with that. They can't all be wrong.

tman

(983 posts)
7. I believe it. Twitter outrage is not real life.
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 08:16 AM
Jul 2019

Meanwhile, the economy is perceived to be doing well and Democrats seem hell-bent on throwing the 2020 election.

If the most corrupt, incompetent president in American history can't be beat, the party is a lost cause.

BlueStater

(7,596 posts)
22. More things matter in life than just the fucking economy.
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 11:27 AM
Jul 2019

The "president" is an ignorant asshole and an all around despicable excuse for a human being. He's an accused sexual predator and rapist whose administration is separating Mexican children from their parents and locking them in cages.

The fact that this seemingly doesn't bother certain people is a telling statement on their own lack of character.

tman

(983 posts)
61. You're pointing out the obvious
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 03:42 PM
Jul 2019

and most of that we knew before the 2016 election, so yes it seemingly doesn't bother 'certain people', namely the 50 million Americans that enabled him to win where it mattered.

If you don't believe it can happen again, you're living in an internet formulated fantasy.

BlueStater

(7,596 posts)
62. I know he can win again.
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 05:14 PM
Jul 2019

He won the first time. Enough assholes voted for him that he obtained the electoral college participation trophy.

I'm sickened that this country is full of selfish pricks who don't care that their president is a disgusting dirtbag as long as they themselves come out okay. This country just plain sucks.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
8. I don't believe in polls, good or bad,
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 08:16 AM
Jul 2019

coming from the Hill especially. I've noticed there is an effort happening to make us believe that Trump's approval is growing, I find that scary. I fully expect Trump to hit that magic 50% number before long and the M$M will go wild.

There are a lot of negative Pedo45 news stories out there that need to be removed from the front page.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
10. I think though that we have to operate under the
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 08:55 AM
Jul 2019

Assumption that his popularity is real. And that our strategies are not working to diminish his popularity. Otherwise the MF is in again.

GoCubsGo

(32,086 posts)
12. Yep. Just look at the breakdown.
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 09:10 AM
Jul 2019

Or, should I say just look at the part of the breakdown they're letting us see. They mention how many 18-34 year-olds they polled (250 out of 1000), but they don't break down the rest. They mention that the 65-and-up crowd has a high approval. Want to bet that they over-sampled that group? We're supposed to take their word for it that this was a "representative sample of the nation"?

Also, this poll is broken down in approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, disapprove. They're lumping the "somewhat" in with the other. What a crock. I call bullshit.

Mc Mike

(9,115 posts)
11. Yeah, all his great victories lately, in court about twitter, about his census question,
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 09:06 AM
Jul 2019

his labor secretary resigning under child sex scandal, massive crisis on the border. Obviously the public has every reason to increase its approval rating of him.

Bircher silver chair bullshit. The polls are attempting to massage reality, they aim to create public opinion, not to reflect it.

Kid Berwyn

(14,951 posts)
13. What having your own Roy Cohn can do is incredible.
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 09:16 AM
Jul 2019

Imagine what the numbers would be if Bill Barr had been AG from Day 1!

Cicada

(4,533 posts)
16. Average of all polls shows no change. Single polls tell us little.
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 11:09 AM
Jul 2019

538 dot com and real clear politics average polls. Ignore individual polls and pay attention to the average of all polls.

Talitha

(6,611 posts)
17. Where do these pollsters ask their questions?
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 11:13 AM
Jul 2019

I often wonder if their results truly represent what Americans think.

Do they poll people across the country, from cities AND rural areas?

From different income groups?

From all races?

From varying religions?

TBH, I've never been polled for anything in my entire life... how about you?

trev

(1,480 posts)
50. Nope, not once. Not in 64 years.
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 01:49 PM
Jul 2019

Especially under this administration, I don't believe polls. How can you get an accurate result when you poll 5,000 people out of 146,000,000 registered voters?

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
54. I agree. We can debate the accuracy of these polls or learn something from them now before it is
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 02:10 PM
Jul 2019

too late.

LiberalFighter

(51,054 posts)
20. Online Poll? SUSPECT plus below
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 11:21 AM
Jul 2019

HarrisX, a leading research company specializing in online surveys, has partnered with veteran pollster Scott Rasmussen to produce the ScottRasmussen.com Daily Tracking Poll, an ongoing gauge of American voters' political sentiment. The poll will anchor Rasmussen's new public-opinion website, ScottRasmussen.com, officially debuting today

Tom Rinaldo

(22,913 posts)
21. We didn't kick Trump when he was down. We didn't move toward impeaching him
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 11:23 AM
Jul 2019

We acted like the evidence wasn't clear enough to hold Trump accountable for high crimes and misdemeanors under the Constitution. If the Democrats in the House don't clearly regard him as unfit for office (which is what not moving toward impeachment implicitly communicates) then mostly tuned out voters are free to judge him just on job numbers, or talking tough, or whatever.

This Trump job approval trend line is something I was expecting when Democrats failed to move toward impeachment. So far I am being proven right and I take no pleasure in that.

Poiuyt

(18,130 posts)
63. Good point
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 05:54 PM
Jul 2019

Trump is getting stronger because Democrats are not fight with all of the tools in our arsenal.

book_worm

(15,951 posts)
23. the only thing he has going for him is the economy
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 11:27 AM
Jul 2019

and I know that it isn't as good as they say--but people think it's good because the media keeps touting the low unemployment rate. That is the only explanation for it. Those who think that Trump will be easy to defeat in 2020 are wrong. Democrats have a 50-50 chance.

qazplm135

(7,447 posts)
29. we need to realize it's going to be a 50/50 election again
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 12:06 PM
Jul 2019

no matter WHO we nominate.

That means every last person gets out and votes.

Don't like Biden? I don't care.
Don't like Bernie? I don't care.
Don't like Warren, Harris, etc? I don't care.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
30. some extremely high % of americans have felt nothing from what is going on and know nothing
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 12:06 PM
Jul 2019

of what is going on,

This can be the ONLY reason for these approval numbers being so high.

Turin_C3PO

(14,033 posts)
32. Some people only care about their wallet.
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 12:11 PM
Jul 2019

They don’t care that the country is morphing into a dictatorship, as long as they can afford their daily Starbucks.

Bettie

(16,121 posts)
31. I have a theory
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 12:10 PM
Jul 2019

I ask nearly everyone I come into contact with one question, have been asking for a while.

People think I'm very strange for asking, but it has been an interesting exercise.

The question? When your phone rings and you don't recognize the caller, do you answer it?

The vast majority (nearly all) say No. They then say if the person really needs to get in touch, they'll leave a message.

Now, this may be anecdotal, but I do tend to believe that the people answering the polls are the ones who always answer their phone no matter who is calling. Very probably a minority of people.

Also, people who feel compelled to answer their phones, from my (again anecdotal and person experience) tend toward authoritarian mindsets, they answer because they feel they "should" answer, whether they want to talk or not.

So, I hope that the people who answer these polls are simply more predisposed than most of the populace to be supportive of whoever is in power....and that even among them, his support is not as high as it would be if he wasn't openly the giant orange pustule he is.

Bettie

(16,121 posts)
37. It is the only thing that
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 12:17 PM
Jul 2019

allows me to sometimes sleep at night.

I have three kids. One graduated this year, the next graduates next year. I fear for their futures.

This can not stand. Trump can not be allowed to win or get away with it all and yet, I see it coming and it terrifies me.

The idea that maybe, just maybe, the polls are entirely wrong and that we're not utterly fucked is all that is holding me together.

Polybius

(15,472 posts)
38. Good point
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 12:17 PM
Jul 2019

They should text instead. "This is so-and-so Polling. Do you approve or disapprove of President Trump? Please type yes or no." I should start a polling firm, I could be rich with this idea.

One thing though: You said "people who feel compelled to answer their phones, from my (again anecdotal and person experience) tend toward authoritarian mindsets, they answer because they feel they "should" answer, whether they want to talk or not."

I disagree there. People who tend to answer without knowing who's calling tend to be older, who grew up without caller ID. Older Americans tend to be more conservative.

Bettie

(16,121 posts)
39. Short polls are the best
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 12:19 PM
Jul 2019

I don't answer even calls that I know are from pollsters because they say "a few minutes" and half an hour later, I'm still on the phone.

You could get rich!

44. Interesting point
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 01:01 PM
Jul 2019

Kind of a sidebar, but also food for thought....

If you use an iPhone, the new software coming out in August (iOS 13) has a feature where the call doesn’t even ring if the number isn’t already in my contacts list.

On some days I get upwards of 7-8 random spam calls, so this upcoming feature will essentially fix that.

At least among my friends and family, it seems like spam calls are happening to them as well. All this means is that the nature of picking up the phone nowadays is different...... many people I know (myself included) only answer the phone if they’re expecting a call.

Eyeball_Kid

(7,434 posts)
57. Another possibility. (Hold on to your hats.)
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 02:21 PM
Jul 2019

Hackers are able to breech the security of computers that store polling data and manipulate the numbers to favor Trumpy.

Why no one has yet investigated this possibility is stunning, considering what we know about Russia's hacking of highly secure computer systems in 2016.

struggle4progress

(118,332 posts)
42. hmmm
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 12:39 PM
Jul 2019

Thu 11 Jul 47:53 = -6 TheHill/HarrisX
Wed 10 Jul 43:55 = -12 Reuters/Ipsos
Wed 10 Jul 43:53 = -10 Economist/YouGov
Tue 9 Jul 44:48 = -4 Emerson
Tue 9 Jul 42:52 = -10 PPP
Sun 7 Jul 47:50 = -3 ABCWaPo
Wed 3 Jul 43:53 = -10 Politico/Morning Consult
Wed 3 Jul 43:53 = -12 Reuters/Ipsos
Wed 3 Jul 41:54 = -13 Gallup
Wed 3 Jul 44:53= -9 Economist/YouGov

 

silentEcho

(424 posts)
45. If any previous President was in 40's that was considered very bad. Trump sits in mid forties
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 01:02 PM
Jul 2019

and lower thru out his presidency and gets 47% and the number is defined as good.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,711 posts)
49. He's at 42.% aggregated approval at 538
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 01:30 PM
Jul 2019

He's at 42.4% aggregated approval at 538:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/


sensationalist headline notwithstanding.




And Harris is a craptastic online poll.

AlexSFCA

(6,139 posts)
51. Economy is keeping him afloat
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 01:51 PM
Jul 2019

If stock market continues to rise and jobs gains improve - we are in trouble in 2020 regardless of the nominee.

DeminPennswoods

(15,290 posts)
53. Again, the numbers to compare are strongly approve, strongly disapprove
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 01:58 PM
Jul 2019

not the aggregates.

Strongly approve is 24% where it has been for a long time - this is the Trump base
Strongly disapprove is 39% which is lower than I've seen for awhile.

Women and Millenials/Gen Z total disapproval is 59% meaning the poll results are driven by (presumably white) men, not a majority of the electorate.

Boomerproud

(7,963 posts)
55. No matter what happens all I hear from our
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 02:10 PM
Jul 2019

candidates is "that's not who we are as a country". I would say the daily news proves you're 100% wrong.

Eyeball_Kid

(7,434 posts)
56. This is not my country.
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 02:18 PM
Jul 2019

My country would never permit a fascist dictator to overthrow a representative government.

My country would never see a 47% approval rating for an authoritarian, fascist dictator.

My country would throw Trumpy out of the White House, drag him through the streets, and dump him in the Potomac, just because, on the whole, he deserves it.

My country would otherwise proceed with impeachment proceedings because it's the way to follow the dictates of the US Constitution.

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