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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 09:23 AM Jul 2019

House Dems pick party unity over ICE fight


Democrats are worried a fight over funding DHS could infuriate progressives and moderates.

By SARAH FERRIS and HEATHER CAYGLE 07/13/2019 06:37 AM EDT

House Democratic leaders are likely to duck what could be their best chance to force President Donald Trump to fix squalid conditions at the border, out of fear of stirring up further infighting in the caucus.

Democrats are pushing to relieve congested detention facilities for migrants and demand accountability from the White House. But a bill to fund the Department of Homeland Security — which could be used to spur action at the border — is deeply contentious and the party is wrestling with whether it’s worth a vote.

Democrats fear a fight over funding DHS and immigration will only worsen tensions that roiled the caucus during last month’s debate over humanitarian aid at the border. And it could put some liberals into a nearly impossible corner, effectively forcing them to vote to approve money to agencies like Immigration and Customs Enforcement they want to abolish.

“It’s deeply difficult, with the cruelty and the abuses that are happening,” Rep. Pramila Jayapal (D-Wash.), co-chair of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, said in an interview. “To give more money — it’s just impossible for some people to vote for that.”

Pressure on lawmakers to address immigration and the humanitarian border crisis has only increased with Trump threatening to deploy his ICE officials to conduct deportation raids in nearly a dozen cities this weekend.

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Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
1. Nonsense. Trump is showcasing the bad conditions to please
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 09:29 AM
Jul 2019

his followers. Pence went down there to make sure everyone was watching.

Yes, Jayapal, the under-funding is running out very quickly, so by all means refuse to vote for money for diapers and workers to wash diaper rash-burned bottoms. Maybe soap and water to clean baby bottles, perhaps even provide more shaded concrete slab for children to lie on in the desert's summer heat?

Engaging in fruitless but apparently self-serving arguments over what standards should be with Trump and the Republican leadership, who deliberately created these atrocities, is far more highly principled.

Or, wait! Could we possibly do both? Vote critically necessary emergency funding for these camps -- because WE are decent and must take what action we can -- AND argue standards?

It'll be 100 degrees all week in McAllen, Texas, more in El Paso, climbing to 105, not a tree anywhere.

Bettie

(16,121 posts)
5. Do you believe that 700 dollars per day per
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 09:43 AM
Jul 2019

person per day is insufficient to provide basic hygiene?

Given that level of funding currently, how will throwing more money to those who are already making enormous profits on the backs of these immigrants help the situation? Will 800 per person allow toothpaste and diapers? How about 900, 1,000, 10,000? When will it be enough?

Hint: Never. The people in charge of these camps fail to provide basics not because they can't afford to, but because they don't want to.

No amount of money can fix that.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
9. I think they refused to clean up that facility and ship out
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 09:59 AM
Jul 2019

some of the detainees to relieve overcrowding deliberately. If they had $7000 per person it'd be the same. What the Republicans are doing is evil -- and will become more and more evil if their power grows -- but our representatives fight with the power the people gave them and it's not enough.

Don't like this situation? Fight in the Democratic Party lines and vote Democrat. Always, without fail.

Refuse to encourage and excuse the behaviors of people who claim to care but whom you have good reason to believe failed on election day. They helped elect Trump and keep Republican power in congress. We know they're here, complaining every day that what's happening is everyone else's fault. Above all, it's their fault.

Bettie

(16,121 posts)
13. But, again, how is throwing good money after bad
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 10:10 AM
Jul 2019

helping anyone? All it does is make those who choose to harm people for profit (and their own sick amusement) more profit, it tells them that what they are doing is acceptable, after all, their contracts get renewed AND they get a higher payout, which means an even higher profit.

I have voted for Democrats in every election since I turned 18 (and that was a long time ago). Always and without fail.

And all those votes have led to this.

Right where we are now with a congressional leadership that is intent upon giving ever increasing amounts of money to people who choose profit over humanity every time, with less oversight in every bill that passes, because a guy in the Senate has declared himself king and it is accepted as fact.

I don't see where anyone wins in this except the few people making obscene amounts of money.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
10. Well said,
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 10:00 AM
Jul 2019

Giving Trump a blank check is what is insane. He is using the last border funding money to carry out ICE raids all across the country.

It says a lot when the people who are working at the border are telling reporters to not give more money.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
2. The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 09:29 AM
Jul 2019

And the Dems are absolutely doing just that.

Concentration Camps... but Party unity
Kids in cages... but Party Unity.
Fascist who needs impeaching... but Political expediency

Bettie

(16,121 posts)
6. And the moderates were elected because
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 09:46 AM
Jul 2019

people wanted change. Change that those same moderates are terrified to even move toward.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
7. How can you believe this trash? There were demonstrations
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 09:48 AM
Jul 2019

all around the nation yesterday. That you weren't among them doesn't mean others didn't do something. And our house Democrats did not vote for party unity against 4 far-left hostiles -- they are united to provide emergency funding to help protect the lives and relieve the misery of the detained people -- because that's what good people do in that situation.

With 235 members in our caucus, less than 10 on the far left acting out are not exactly disunity. We need basic knowledge so that we can recognize dishonest spin when we see it.

By the way, that media hyped "squad" of four dissidents have broken with the majority on exactly 2 votes in a very legislatively busy 6 months since the 116th congress opened. And they're the supposed "disunity" being spun here.

Here's another one: Ocasio-Cortez and the officially bipartisan but conservative-dominated Problem Solvers Caucus (which includes the #FiveWhiteMen types) have voted differently only 13% of the time.

Meanwhile, close to 200 Democratic members are strongly aligned on almost all issues. Maybe remember that as this disinformation continues to be spewed.

 

Humanist_Activist

(7,670 posts)
12. Do you honestly believe that one dime that the House authorized Trump to use...
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 10:07 AM
Jul 2019

to help alleviate the conditions at the border will actually do so?

The conditions at the border were not caused by lack of funding, but to be cruel for cruelty's sake. For fuck's sake, the Trump Administration admitted this, in court, as a way to create a deterrence for asylum seekers.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
14. You are spot on,
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 10:14 AM
Jul 2019

disinformation is being spread as well as right wing talking points. We need to be vigilant.

Oh, did you get to listen to AOC yesterday at the committee hearing? I noticed that she got all of the attention from cable news, she got put on TV front and center, I wonder why?

AOC is one of a very few Democrats who can change the right wing narratives that permeate the M$M and that is why she is feared by the right. There is a concerted right wing effort to take down AOC and her 3 friends, you do agree, right? AOC reminds me of Ted Kennedy, a real fighter. She reminds me also of a young Pelosi.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
17. :) Almost agree entirely.
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 10:36 AM
Jul 2019

Except, Repubs/Russia are USING the "squad" and everything else they can find to take down the DEMOCRATIC PARTY.

We are in a giant battle for power to determine whether our liberal democracy will continue or be replaced by a conservative autocracy. And to that end, out of 235 Democratic members of the house, the RW narrative that permeates the MSM keeps those 4 plus Pelosi on the front pages. Not because those 4 are feared.

I suspect Ocasio-Cortez has potential to become a great asset -- and to grow to become someone to be feared as they do Pelosi-- IF she can split from the anti-Democratic LW extremists who helped her get elected and now "permeate" and run her staff. That if is a biggie, of course. She's also up for reelection, after all. We know they're ruthless ideologues, who've ridden her victory to DC, so it's hard for me to imagine they wouldn't add her to their list of Democrats to take out if she tried to break free. She's in quite a bind right now -- her colleagues in the house are pushing her to fire Chakrabarti, and we're seeing his response attacks, or were until he deleted the worst one where he characterized us as Southern racists. We also alarmingly saw her fall in line with them by claiming, yes, her colleagues (including many POC) are attacking her because she isn't white...

Takket

(21,620 posts)
8. "Babies in cages" was a major factor in us taking the House last year
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 09:50 AM
Jul 2019

Now we are worried fighting that will hurt our political standing?

Pass a clean bill in the House to provide funding and human rights observers to END THIS MESS and let Mitch kill it in the Senate. Then we can at least say we tried to to the job we were elected to do.

Eventually we will end up stuck with whatever McConnell will let pass and we should raise holy hell about it then.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
15. I agree,
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 10:19 AM
Jul 2019

Schumer stuck it to Pelosi by giving zero resistance to McConnell's border funding bill. With that said, Pelosi could have fought back and offered up amendments to specify where the funding would be spent. Instead Dems took the political way out and agreed with McConnell's bill. I bet some of that money is being used to fund the upcoming ICE raids across the country.

ripcord

(5,507 posts)
16. The problem is that Senate Democrats hamstrung the House
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 10:31 AM
Jul 2019

The press was already starting to frame the debate as the bipartisan Senate bill against the partisan House bill. By backing the Republicans the Senate dems undercut the House, McConnell could safely stand firm and point to that backing. If you want to blame someone blame the Senate Democrats, just because they don't have a majority doesn't mean they have to cave.

Frustratedlady

(16,254 posts)
18. Why can't Democrats focus more on what is right for the country, instead
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 10:49 AM
Jul 2019

of what's best for the Democrats? They spend more time figuring out their priorities than acting. I realize an election is coming up, but I also think people would be more impressed if they saw that the Democrats were leading the country in the right direction instead of making sure they got elected.

I realize this is probably not a popular view, but both parties are spending more time raising funds and covering their butts than working for the people. I don't care what issue is at hand.

Nevermypresident

(781 posts)
19. I've spent 2 years calling out the corrupt complicit repubs for putting their
Sat Jul 13, 2019, 11:13 AM
Jul 2019

party over country. I despise them.

While Democrats will never rise to that level of corruption, to say I am disillusioned and angry about my party now putting party over country is an understatement.

You're right, it's not a popular view on DU. Whatever... I don't give a crap about the long game blah blah blah I hear here. This is NOT politics as usual - our house is on fire!!!

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