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Baitball Blogger

(46,758 posts)
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 01:03 PM Jul 2019

What is the best retort to someone who says, if you don't like it, leave?

It's already a given that the person who says this doesn't see us as Americans, because white Americans are allowed to complain and criticize and nobody tells them to go back to whatever European country their family originated from. Where would FoxNews be today if it was restrained from trashing everything and everybody that gets in their way?

The sad thing is, that what he says is going to resonate with his crowd BECAUSE they're racists and don't see us as equal.

Trump says that we hate this country, when it's just the opposite. It's a country that is worth fighting for to bring it in line with its Constitutional promise.

Here's the crux of the issue. We are not criticizing this country, we are criticizing the Republicans. They don't represent the best values this country is founded on.

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What is the best retort to someone who says, if you don't like it, leave? (Original Post) Baitball Blogger Jul 2019 OP
easy qazplm135 Jul 2019 #1
Earth first!! If you don't like this planet then go back where you came from!!1! Fozzledick Jul 2019 #2
During Vietnam it was 'love it or leave it'...fucked then and fucked now spanone Jul 2019 #3
+1 Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2019 #13
When the president says it, it definitely sounds like Baitball Blogger Jul 2019 #17
I think at the core Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2019 #38
Since they're the ones supporting the person Putin put in charge of dismantling our country woodsprite Jul 2019 #4
I am not a coward. Everyman Jackal Jul 2019 #5
"You may be a quiter, I'm not." marble falls Jul 2019 #6
+1 mitch96 Jul 2019 #45
"Is that all you got?" works well, too. I used to use 'I'm no quiter back' in the ... marble falls Jul 2019 #46
My earliest relatives were early explorers before John Winthrop's ship sailed and some on that ship. TheBlackAdder Jul 2019 #7
Remind them that our founding fathers were radicals who didn't like British rule onenote Jul 2019 #8
John Winthrop's sermon 'A Model of Christian Charity' says the wealthy give excesses back to poor. TheBlackAdder Jul 2019 #11
But they will say that they DID leave Britain. virgogal Jul 2019 #21
To be consistent with Trump, what they would say is: onenote Jul 2019 #40
You are correct. virgogal Jul 2019 #57
................. bdamomma Jul 2019 #22
It's our country too Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2019 #9
And, as Americans, we have the First Amendment Right to protect Baitball Blogger Jul 2019 #19
there is no proper response. this binary fallacy has been used for decades now. maxsolomon Jul 2019 #10
"Fuck you I live here" ismnotwasm Jul 2019 #12
.............. bdamomma Jul 2019 #23
Best retort... Different Drummer Jul 2019 #14
If the Constitution bothers you that much gratuitous Jul 2019 #15
"If you don't like it, you can mahatmakanejeeves Jul 2019 #16
"Fuck off!" hunter Jul 2019 #18
"Read the U.S. Constitution, then go fuck yourself." (nt) Paladin Jul 2019 #20
+10000 Pachamama Jul 2019 #31
I usually say Bettie Jul 2019 #24
Ask them if they're Native American because, unless they are, they're from somewhere else, too. Vinca Jul 2019 #25
"You'd love that but I prefer to stay and fight." airmid Jul 2019 #26
Funny how they stopped saying that when Obama was prez. lpbk2713 Jul 2019 #27
I'm going to do what our founders did... unitedwethrive Jul 2019 #28
"Did you leave when Obama was president?" Mariana Jul 2019 #29
No. I will criticize the country I love when I see a wrong, PA Democrat Jul 2019 #30
Trumpzis are so f'n unamerican C_U_L8R Jul 2019 #32
My response: look at them processing the stupid and useless. Then being done, walking away. silentEcho Jul 2019 #33
I usually just say maxrandb Jul 2019 #34
"If you'd rather be a Russian than a Democrat then move to Russia." -nt CrispyQ Jul 2019 #35
I say three different things... albacore Jul 2019 #36
Thank you for your service. Baitball Blogger Jul 2019 #39
This... albacore Jul 2019 #37
Better start a GoFundMe for their sorry asses 'cuz they're all going to jail pecosbob Jul 2019 #41
I don't like green pea soup but... kentuck Jul 2019 #42
I opt to fight for change. NT SouthernProgressive Jul 2019 #43
"Why? So you can have the U-Whited States of America?" Roland99 Jul 2019 #44
No. Adsos Letter Jul 2019 #47
If you love your country, stay here and fix it. nt eppur_se_muova Jul 2019 #48
"America, Love it or Leave it" was a Popular Slogan During the Vietnam War dlk Jul 2019 #49
Can't say it here. If you've seen Major League, the line was spoken by Jake Taylor to Lynn's fiance! Floyd R. Turbo Jul 2019 #50
Every single human in the US is an immigrant or the descendent of one. LonePirate Jul 2019 #51
They have said that to black people the entire history of our country. Or first I believe brewens Jul 2019 #52
Where are your feathers? mia Jul 2019 #53
"Why leave when I can try yo make it better?" LanternWaste Jul 2019 #54
"I can't leave now, someone has to clean up your mess." alwaysinasnit Jul 2019 #55
Right after the 2016 election Niagara Jul 2019 #56
It really does come down to understanding that American values Baitball Blogger Jul 2019 #58

Fozzledick

(3,860 posts)
2. Earth first!! If you don't like this planet then go back where you came from!!1!
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 01:09 PM
Jul 2019

And by the way, what tribe let YOU in here??

(addressed to straw man, not poster)

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,437 posts)
13. +1
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 01:16 PM
Jul 2019

I can't say that I haven't wanted to say this to right-wingers sometimes, especially during the Obama years because of how they much they hated Obama for largely irrational reasons, but, you're right, it's not the right thing to say to somebody.

Baitball Blogger

(46,758 posts)
17. When the president says it, it definitely sounds like
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 01:25 PM
Jul 2019

he's trying to take away the First Amendment right from those who criticize him.

Maybe he's living another sexual fantasy of his where he gets to bully dark skinned people?

woodsprite

(11,926 posts)
4. Since they're the ones supporting the person Putin put in charge of dismantling our country
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 01:10 PM
Jul 2019

and who gets up every morning and who, before tweeting out his racist hate of the day, takes a dump on The Constitution and wipes his butt with a page torn from the Bible, I'd say they're the ones that should be leaving.

mitch96

(13,924 posts)
45. +1
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 03:11 PM
Jul 2019

or.. .If you have a problem with someone in your family you just quit??? Is that all you got?
What faux noise couch person told you that one... or did you think it up on your own..
Being a monday morning quarter back is fun!!
m

marble falls

(57,236 posts)
46. "Is that all you got?" works well, too. I used to use 'I'm no quiter back' in the ...
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 03:23 PM
Jul 2019

60's on the "why don't you move to Moscow" I used to get when they ran out of even stupid arguments.

TheBlackAdder

(28,214 posts)
7. My earliest relatives were early explorers before John Winthrop's ship sailed and some on that ship.
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 01:13 PM
Jul 2019

.

You GTFO!

.

onenote

(42,762 posts)
8. Remind them that our founding fathers were radicals who didn't like British rule
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 01:13 PM
Jul 2019

But they didn't leave -- they fought.

TheBlackAdder

(28,214 posts)
11. John Winthrop's sermon 'A Model of Christian Charity' says the wealthy give excesses back to poor.
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 01:15 PM
Jul 2019

.

So when these assholes talk about going back to America's roots. Those were the roots.

.

onenote

(42,762 posts)
40. To be consistent with Trump, what they would say is:
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 02:48 PM
Jul 2019

They should've gone back to Britain and fought against the monarchy there.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,437 posts)
9. It's our country too
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 01:13 PM
Jul 2019

Trumpublicans frequently govern as though they are the only ones whom matter in this country and pretty much ignore or squelch any dissent. We see this on a smaller scale in many states as well. While some people can and do move to other areas in the country, it is prohibitive in several ways for many of us to do so and, frankly, things shouldn't be so bad that somebody feels that they should *have* to move from where they are born and raised their entire lives- if they want to stay put. The problem that I see is that, in some areas, people's true needs and grievances aren't being adequately addressed and their leaders, instead of trying harder to listen, basically shut them down and make it so that they can't express themselves politically by gerrymandering and other forms of voter suppression. Local communities try to exert themselves and state governments turn around and shut them down. The ultimate point is that we all should have the ability to express ourselves politically and work to make our environments, states, communities better for ourselves and others and that "just leaving" isn't a realistic solution for most people.

maxsolomon

(33,400 posts)
10. there is no proper response. this binary fallacy has been used for decades now.
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 01:15 PM
Jul 2019

"fuck off" is as good as anything.

I have a grad school friend who did leave, for Cyprus with stops in Macau. he did not love it; so he left. he has no regrets.

bdamomma

(63,922 posts)
23. ..............
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 01:55 PM
Jul 2019

exactly.

Putin must be ecstatic to see us faltering due to his puppet and he is not lifting a finger.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
15. If the Constitution bothers you that much
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 01:21 PM
Jul 2019

Perhaps you should leave for a country not quite so dedicated to rights for all? I hear Russia is really making strides in that direction.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,613 posts)
16. "If you don't like it, you can
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 01:23 PM
Jul 2019

peaceably assemble and petition the government for a redress of your grievances.



Source: https://blog.library.gsu.edu/2012/03/23/secularists-descend-upon-d-c-for-reason-rally/

You refer to the remarks made during this evenet:

https://www.c-span.org/video/?462636-1/president-trump-happy-us-leave&live=&vod

No, I'm not going to sit through the whole thing. I did, though, catch this, at 41:47: "If you're not happy here, you can leave."

hunter

(38,328 posts)
18. "Fuck off!"
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 01:26 PM
Jul 2019

I have zero tolerance for that shit.

People figure it out pretty quickly if they don't already know.

I used to have a relative who'd send me those wretched apocryphal stories of Jesus saving people, people who must have reminded her of me.

My final response was direct:

"Don't send me any more of these or I will mark them as spam."

My first, polite, responses were wasted effort.

Bettie

(16,126 posts)
24. I usually say
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 02:04 PM
Jul 2019

that the US is better than this. We can and should be better.

I also sometimes tell them that if they want a libertarian paradise, try any of the countries without a currently functional government.

lpbk2713

(42,766 posts)
27. Funny how they stopped saying that when Obama was prez.
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 02:08 PM
Jul 2019


They said it a lot when Shit-for-Brains was president. But
then it was nothing but crickets for the next eight years.

PA Democrat

(13,225 posts)
30. No. I will criticize the country I love when I see a wrong,
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 02:12 PM
Jul 2019

an injustice etc., just as I have criticized the children I love when they do something wrong.

That attitude of love it leave it is just plain CHILDISH.

C_U_L8R

(45,021 posts)
32. Trumpzis are so f'n unamerican
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 02:18 PM
Jul 2019

And exiling them to frozen desolate asteroid would be too kind x10000000000

maxrandb

(15,357 posts)
34. I usually just say
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 02:22 PM
Jul 2019

Go fuck yourself sideways with a first edition, hardcover copy of Atlas Shrugged, you worthless piece of amphibian shit.

albacore

(2,406 posts)
36. I say three different things...
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 02:30 PM
Jul 2019

First, I determine their veteran status. If they didn't serve, I tell them I'm a better American because I did. In combat. (I don't believe that, but...)
If they are a veteran, I ask them if they quit during combat. Since we are fighting for the soul of the country, why would I quit and leave? Marines don't quit...something to remember in the upcoming days.
Next, I ask them why didn't they leave during the Obama years. To hear them, Obama was the anti-christ Muslim communist Kenyan come to take their guns and Bibles.
Lastly, as has been suggested by other posters, I tell them to go fuck themselves.

Baitball Blogger

(46,758 posts)
39. Thank you for your service.
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 02:45 PM
Jul 2019

The right always frames soldiers and the military as an exclusive conservative property to defend their p.o.v. and shut down dissent. But the reality is that soldiers fight for every American's freedom.

I always picture a soldier who was fighting for my right to exist as an equal. Glad you're on our side.

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
42. I don't like green pea soup but...
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 02:50 PM
Jul 2019

I'm not going to stop eating...especially when someone tries to force me to eat it.

dlk

(11,578 posts)
49. "America, Love it or Leave it" was a Popular Slogan During the Vietnam War
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 03:38 PM
Jul 2019

Some people are so closed-minded and rigid in their bigoty, they can’t stretch their minds enough to take in new information. “Love it or leave it” is their lazy/ignorant way to rationalize their racism and win/end the conversation. They don’t care about the facts or what’s right. They only want to get their way, to heck with everyone else, and won’t ever willingly say/do what’s fair and just.

LonePirate

(13,431 posts)
51. Every single human in the US is an immigrant or the descendent of one.
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 03:48 PM
Jul 2019

It makes you wonder how history would be different if the natives had slaughtered everyone that stepped off the Mayflower or Christopher Columbus’ ships, for that matter.

brewens

(13,621 posts)
52. They have said that to black people the entire history of our country. Or first I believe
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 03:56 PM
Jul 2019

as a solution to what to do with the slaves in the late 1700's. It was proposed to send them back to Africa because they couldn't do well living in a white mans country.

mia

(8,362 posts)
53. Where are your feathers?
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 03:56 PM
Jul 2019

I've heard this expression (and variations) in Miami.

Unless you're Native American, it doesn't matter when you or your ancestors arrived here, we're all immigrants.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
54. "Why leave when I can try yo make it better?"
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 03:58 PM
Jul 2019

"Why leave when I can try to make it better? Running away from problems is a coward's suggestion... so I get why you'd mention it, but don't project your craven ethics onto me."

(I said that in response to an acquaintance recently. He avoided our table for the rest of the night)

Niagara

(7,661 posts)
56. Right after the 2016 election
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 04:27 PM
Jul 2019

I had a co-worker who came into work and was loudly boasting about the election and was asking everyone individually how they liked the results.

They didn't like what I had to say and told me if I didn't like it, to leave.


My response: I'm staying right here to fight for common decency and against fascism. I will be voting in the 2018 midterms as well.


They didn't have anything to say and walked away.

Baitball Blogger

(46,758 posts)
58. It really does come down to understanding that American values
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 08:53 PM
Jul 2019

includes the First Amendment.

BTW, my first reaction after the election was to respond to a post on Facebook. I said something like, what did you all do? You just activated the racist agenda.

None of them knew that Trump had anything to do with racism. Most thought I was worried about nothing. And here we are today.

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