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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Wed Jul 17, 2019, 07:43 AM Jul 2019

What's Taking So Long?


Based on the Q&A questions we've gotten, quite a few readers have noted that the various House committees are moving awfully slowly when it comes to the various subpoenas, findings of contempt, etc. being leveled against members of the Trump administration. Certainly, much of the Democratic base has noticed, particularly the progressive and activist folks, who want action now.

The answer, as it turns out, is exactly what you would expect. Given that the fellow in the Oval Office has provided object lesson after object lesson in what happens if you rush headlong into things that involve tricky legal principles, they are moving cautiously. The blue team's concern is that if they haul, say, Kellyanne Conway to court, they might get an unfriendly judge, or the White House counsel might come up with a plausible argument for Conway. On the other hand, if House Democrats have two dozen cases where members of Team Trump have defied subpoenas, the case will be pretty close to bulletproof.

While House Judiciary Committee Chair Jerrold Nadler (D-NY), House Intelligence Committee Chair Adam Schiff (D-CA), House Oversight Committee Chair Elijah Cummings (D-MD) & Co. have not firmly committed to a date by which they will move forward, the upcoming testimony of former special counsel Robert Mueller is viewed as an important line of demarcation. He'll be chatting with Nadler's and Schiff's committees on July 24, which is just a week away, so those who are impatient with the lack of action probably won't have to wait much longer. (Z)

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watoos

(7,142 posts)
1. I don't think this has to with
Wed Jul 17, 2019, 07:48 AM
Jul 2019

Dems proceeding with caution. This is how long it takes to go through the courts. This is why the impeach now crowd has been so vocal, we won't have court decisions until after the election.

The best, most clear case is the request for Trump's taxes, there is little doubt to the meaning of the word "shall." and still we may not get a court resolution until after the election. Trump/Barr will certainly appeal everything to the SC.

 

elevator48

(53 posts)
6. Democrats could have Trump's taxes now.
Wed Jul 17, 2019, 11:00 AM
Jul 2019

They have decided not to pursue the option of taking Trump's tax returns from the State of New York. I haven't heard one legitimate reason why not so far.

Zoonart

(11,887 posts)
2. "The wheels of justice turn slowly, but grind exceedingly fine." Henry Wadsworth Longfellow
Wed Jul 17, 2019, 07:54 AM
Jul 2019

Back when communication moved by letter and courier, by argument and brief, patience for the law was a given.
Now, with instant communication and gratification, the wheels of justice and the procedural machinations of government seem excruciatingly slow. We need patience for the long view.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
3. Patience is what Trump wants because
Wed Jul 17, 2019, 08:02 AM
Jul 2019

some of the Democratic court cases go away after the new Congress is installed.

Laurian

(2,593 posts)
4. That quote doesn't apply while Barr oversees the Justice Department.
Wed Jul 17, 2019, 08:06 AM
Jul 2019

Dismissing the charges against the cop who killed Eric Garner was the last straw for me. No hope for justice with him at the helm. He is willing to interfere in any and all cases.

He disgusts me as much as Trump.

stillcool

(32,626 posts)
5. if there is a new President...
Wed Jul 17, 2019, 10:23 AM
Jul 2019

there is no Barr. Having Fail-Safe evidence to crimes committed is the only way to even appear to get justice.

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