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ecstatic

(32,731 posts)
Thu Jul 18, 2019, 02:16 AM Jul 2019

The only thing that bothered evangelicals about trump's screed last night

was that he cursed and apparently took the lord's name in vain? Tweet after tweet calling him out on that. Nothing about the "send her back" chant that he led. I continue to be perplexed by the hypocritical, hateful assholes who support him. I really hope they are in the minority.

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RainCaster

(10,914 posts)
3. That is called 'family values' in the GOP
Thu Jul 18, 2019, 02:38 AM
Jul 2019

It is cheating on all three of your wives publicly, but finding conversion therapy acceptable.

It is insisting that every fetus is precious, but not giving a damn once they are born.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
4. If you are a hard-core evangelical, cursing is a sin but hating Muslims is a requirement.
Thu Jul 18, 2019, 02:44 AM
Jul 2019

I don't view it as a hypocritical so much as a totally different value system based in rigid interpretations of an ancient document. The interpretation is clear: don't curse and non-believers are going to hell. No further thinking is required or even advisable.

912gdm

(959 posts)
5. baby steps...
Thu Jul 18, 2019, 02:48 AM
Jul 2019

it's something...



It may take these hypocritical assholes 100 years to realize it, but its still something.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
6. Well, we'll, well...
Thu Jul 18, 2019, 03:00 AM
Jul 2019

The evangelicals are actually perturbed with Trump on anything? Well, it’s a start.

Arkansas Granny

(31,528 posts)
7. I live in a state that went for Trump in a big way. We also harbor a lot of evangelicals.
Thu Jul 18, 2019, 04:17 AM
Jul 2019

Many of them, if not most, are single issue voters: abortion. Many of them don't bat an eye at his racism or misogyny.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
11. :) Scratch them here, and it'll turn out most are deeply
Thu Jul 18, 2019, 10:13 PM
Jul 2019

bigoted against and hostile to liberals/Democrats, natural suspicions carefully developed into almost a religion or ideology of its own by their political leaders. I believe, even if they don't know it, that for most abortion is really a political issues and that if their leaders told them they were now supporting abortion, most would, though it might take them a week or two. I grab that period remembering how long it took the right to come back stronger than ever after learning Trump was surrounded by Putin's agents and probably at least dabbling in treason, a depraved sexual predator, attacked Gold Star parents, etc.

I sound cynical, but according to discussions by church leaders, too many religious people, not just evangelicals, know and understand very little about the precepts of their religion. Their religion is a label these types wear and mistake for religious belief.

But many of the more fundie/evangelicals are especially handicapped because some sects' religious leaders don't actually have to have training or be approved for fitness, and my observation down here in Georgia is that especially fundamentalist evangelical beliefs draw a lot of people with limited thinking abilities. On visiting churches with friends and neighbors I've seen some doozies who imo weren't fit to offer spiritual guidance to our cat. A genuine shame because there are many very earnest, devout congregants to whom their relationship with their god is very important and who deserve far better. None I visited offered teachings in understanding moral issues, at least not at Sunday services, which initially rather shocked and definitely dismayed me, not that I think most of the more fundie ministers I've seen would be competent to do that either.

Sigh.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
8. Evangelicals are very much a minority, about 15% of all Americans,
Thu Jul 18, 2019, 04:42 AM
Jul 2019

(which is not 15% all who vote). But their deluded fears and passions drive a very high percentage of them to the polls every election.

Btw, according to what I've read, exit polls asked Trump voters if they considered themselves evangelicals or born-again Christians, and that produced estimates around 26%, but the difference was mainline Christians who chose to answer yes.

As the article I went to to refresh on these numbers put it, though, "Especially in the South, there are plenty of Presbyterians and Methodists and even Episcopalians who look and quack like evangelicals." https://religionnews.com/2018/11/13/a-lot-of-white-evangelical-voters-arent-evangelicals/

But whichever number is used, even all the way up to a giant 26% , people who complain about them had damned better have voted Democrat to stop them. Any who didn't, for any reason, are reaping the whirlwind of their own shameful culpability and need to be kicking their own stupid asses.

ecstatic

(32,731 posts)
9. Interesting. I guess I just assumed they were evangelicals because
Thu Jul 18, 2019, 08:32 PM
Jul 2019

of their unified anger over trump cursing, but I have no idea. I know a lot of church christians who curse all the time and don't seem to have an issue with it.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
10. :) Here in the conservative deep south, deep disapproval
Thu Jul 18, 2019, 09:45 PM
Jul 2019

of vulgar and profane language is both a cultural and religious thing. I think more related to degree of urbanity and exposure to other cultures, or lack of it, than an evangelical or fundamentalist thing over other religions. Genuinely highly conservative fundies do fear Satan's agents, though, and sinful language is certainly a clue to the ungodly.

I actually set out long ago (back in Los Angeles) to learn something about this because I didn't understand the extreme importance so many conservatives put on sanctioning coarse language, which is strictly a matter of personal style to me. Of course it can be an excuse for acting out intolerance. But turns out that beyond all the cultural reasons, scientists have found that liberal and conservative brains are basically wired to see moral issues somewhat differently, liberals intrinsically more oriented to the rights of the individual, conservatives to protection of the community. As part of that, conservatives also value conformity far more than liberals and assign moral value to it.

Anyway, that's what I remember of it.

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