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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe Longer We Delay Impeachment, the Worse This All Gets
I have spent the past three years slogging under the assumption that the entire Trump storyline would culminate in some kind of massive, public cataclysm: nukes going off, assassinations, World War III getting under way, etc. Such potential calamities still loom perilously on the horizon. But in the meantime, the horrors of what is being conducted here in America have come in steady waves: Puerto Rico being left for dead, state-sanctioned human rights abuses at the border, law enforcement officials joining online hate groups, tanks on the National Mall, more mass shootings, the president being openly racist and staging hate rallies, and on and on it goes. I would tell you Trump is gonna get someone killed, but he has already fulfilled that prophecy. The catastrophe is already here, and it is growing.
And yet, there is no urgency. All I got is a formal condemnation of a few tweets, and the House couldn't even pull that off without making an embarrassing spectacle of it. A cursory impeachment proposal from Congressman Al Green was easily voted down by a majority of Democrats. And there's obvious symbolism to be found in Trump getting more hateful and frenzied the night an effort to oust him was tabled indefinitely. I am like millions of other suckers who put all their eggs into Robert Muellers basket and hoped his work would initiate President Trumps downfall (Mueller, ever the polite fellow, seemed to encourage this initiation but erred for subtlety when blunt force was so, so necessary), but that never happened. The men beholden to Trump made certain of it, and complacent leadership from Democrats has only served to further enable the opposition.
Two weeks ago, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi did her now infamous sitdown with perennial vicious circle wannabe Maureen Dowd, in which Dowd called impeachment a primal pleasure and Pelosi explained that Trump practically self-impeaches in his daily transgressions, but that actually impeaching him (or at least trying to) would play right into his hands. She also told the Washington Post that trying to remove Trump from office is just not worth it. Hence, no serious impeachment proposal is in the offing.
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Meanwhile, the shit keeps rolling downhill. On the surface of things, I suppose you could be prudent and wait for a white knight 2020 Dem to come riding in on horseback to save the country 16 months from now. On the other hand, where is the URGENCY? Why am I sitting here waiting for leaders to do something meaningful only to find out that so many of them are themselves content on hoping for things to magically improve LATER?
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This is where I remind you that Donald Trump is afraid of stairs. There is no more cowardly a pig in this country, and indulging him in his bravado by not initiating formal action against him only encourages more sniveling pigs to come sidling up to the trough. Fatten them up and they only get harder to move out of the way. Impeachment is only a lost cause if you view it in the most fatalistic terms, and if youre afraid that doing the right thing right now will somehow make you look irrational and weak. It will not. Now matters. It has to, and a lot of people get this. There is no more long game to play. Setting impeachment in motion is not a careless act, nor is it a suicide mission. Quite the contrary: It is a long overdue step in trying to derail a suicide mission weve already all been forced to slowly embark upon.
https://www.gq.com/story/impeachment-and-the-triumph-of-fear
brooklynite
(94,727 posts)melman
(7,681 posts)You would say that, wouldn't you?
brooklynite
(94,727 posts)Or are you accusing me of something?
melman
(7,681 posts)You are clearly against impeachment. So posts that express that view are expected.
brooklynite
(94,727 posts)melman
(7,681 posts)lol
brooklynite
(94,727 posts)Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)what he posted?
melman
(7,681 posts)No, I can't dispute that. Whatever that even means.
leftstreet
(36,112 posts)Thanks for posting
"There is no more long game to play"
No shit
(LOL I'd forgotten that about the stairs)
Gothmog
(145,554 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,414 posts)Gothmog
(145,554 posts)Exactly what purpose does this serve compared to with House oversight hearings where these facts can also be documented?
If this is not sent to the Senate, then trump cannot be removed
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,414 posts)The purpose is to educate the electorate by exposing the high crimes and misdemeanors. Not every citizen pays as much attention to, or even makes an effort to find and read, the news as we, here. An impeachment inquiry commands attention. This is especially true when actual crimes have been committed.
If the majority of the general public is outraged, then the votes in the Senate may be there by the time the inquiry is finished. If not, the hearings and investigations simply continue.
We know that actual crimes have been committed. With no consequences, there are no laws.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)An impeachment vote in the House is a referral to the Senate for trial
I agree that the public needs to be educated. But that can still be done via House investigators. And the evidence and revelations that come out of those hearings that will command attention.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,414 posts)U.S. Constitution agrees with me.
Article I, Section 2 (in part):
The House of Representatives shall choose their speaker and other officers; and shall have the sole power of impeachment.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articlei#section2
Article II, Section 4:
The President, Vice President and all civil officers of the United States, shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articleii#section4
Article I, Section 3 (in part):
The Senate shall have the sole power to try all impeachments. When sitting for that purpose, they shall be on oath or affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no person shall be convicted without the concurrence of two thirds of the members present.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articlei#section3
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,414 posts)Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)that impeachment trials are in the Senate.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,414 posts)An impeachment and the trial of that impeachment are two different things. The House functions a bit like a judge, prosecutor, and investigators. The Senate is the jury, with the sentence for conviction being predetermined by the Constitution.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)but one follows the other.