The only thing worse than Trump getting re-elected would be if he got re-elected AND we lost the House.

Because impeaching him for the racist comments was a weak move, in my opinion, and I would think more people would support impeachment if the articles listed his many actual high crimes and misdemeanors.

Just curious. I'm supportive of Nancy's strategy, but at some point, the calculations may change and she will need to move forward with impeachment.

So this is progress.

I think she will move forward eventually. Let's see what happens after Mueller testifies.

Things are only going to get a whole lot worse.

not just a bill to start an impeachment inquiry. Actual impeachment got 95 votes. Jamie Raskin was on MSNBC shortly afterward and explained Green had offered actual impeachment. Then he said that he believes there are over 100 votes for an impeachment inquiry, meaning it's getting close to at least half the Dem caucus wanting an impeachment inquiry.

to approve a resolution, not half the Democrats. We'd need the vast majority of Democrats.

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vote for an inquiry.

I wasn't sure whether or not the 95 were for Inquiry or the actual impeachment process.

I said she had less than half of what she needs publicly supporting it. And that is true.

You are just guessing that she could wave her magic speaker gavel and get everyone else on board with impeachment.

Simple math, amigo.

They had to do some scrambling over the past week. They got Trump to backpedal, but he reverted the next day. What happens at his next rally and the next?

If the pressure from donors and constituents builds high enough, they could signal to Nancy that they would be amenable to impeachment.

is going to convict or not.

Impeachment is our duty, our obligation to protect the Constitution. It’s not about politics, it’s about the rule of law.
Congress needs to do its job and open an impeachment inquiry.

I am not sure there is a “duty” there to impeach. Impeachment is a political measure not a criminal one. Their duty is to guide the government in the beat interest of the country. If impeachment without the senate going along leads to four more years, is that in the beat interest of the country? I honestly don’t know if that is the situation we are in or not, but it seems like that is what they are talking about given where the country stands on the issue. Maybe the numbers changed recently but as far as I know there isn’t strong support for impeachment right now, and as representatives are they not beholden to representing their districts wishes?

On the floor of the House of Representatives during a State of the Union speech.

Other than that, I can't see it happening. She is committed to "the process."

As much as I dislike it, I support her approach.

She is a shrewd and savvy leader. I'm sure she knows more than she I'd letting on.

But Trump taking a dump is about the only thing that might convince the public that the asshole has to go.

Short that, Pelosi's only option is the one she is taking.

getting the numbers. especially many of the new ones from flipped districts.

And why do so many people think Pelosi can change votes in her caucus just by telling them "vote this way"?

want their Members to vote that way.

Why is that hard to understand.

On a subtler level, Members consider not just primary voters - but general election voters.

if anyone demanded that Nancy Pelosi force House Members to change their vote to achieve an outcome people here didn't want.

History will not look back kindly on Democrats not defending our democracy. We know the impeachment effort won't pass the Senate, but it's time to go on record as the party that gave a shit. I'm worried the failure to do this will cause all the people who came out in the midterms to throw up their hands and say "to hell with it." They voted for action, not fence sitting.

She will go along with her caucus.

The last impeachment-related vote got only 95 Democratic votes. If there aren't 218, Pelosi won't be on board.

A failed vote on impeachment or impeachment deliberations will help Trump, who would declare himself innocent.

The Nixon link campaign to the Watergate break-in was pretty clear in Oct 1972 and he was re-elected. Extreme partisanship, hyper-gerrymandered Congressional districts and information silos are tough to overcome.

They have to vote for Articles of Impeachment. Without it, they are going to have a tough time getting witnesses to talk. There isn't anything in the Constitution that says they have to impeach. Trump, The Supreme Court, and the Senate can not make the House vote on impeachment. They can have witnesses coming in every other day if they want until Jan 20, 2021. If they don't Trump is going to be reelected because the Democrats are going to look weak and the Democrats are going to lose the House. If they won't follow the law what good are they?

A book deal in 15 years, safely after retirement, when she can say what she should have done, but...

Maybe she can write that book with Susan Collins.


Or losing her primary to a pro-impeachment candidate.

Goddamn, this is such a travesty.

polls in favor of it, and enough representatives who will vote for it so it can actually make past a vote.

he's arrogant enough to do it, fucking bully that he is.