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NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
Sun Jul 21, 2019, 07:04 PM Jul 2019

Brilliant Twitter thread on how to beat Trump - from the guy that helped beat David Duke twice

Last edited Mon Jul 22, 2019, 12:32 PM - Edit history (1)

1/ If the Dems blow this election it will not be because they were "too far left on policy" or because they "weren't left enough." It will have little to do with policy at all. They are making a mistake caused by traditional consultant theory that does not apply here...


Editing to add - In the 1990 Senate Race, Duke lost by 10.5%. In 1991, when they focused on Duke's racism and KKK connections, he lost by 22.3%, more than double the margin from the race where they focused on other things.







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Brilliant Twitter thread on how to beat Trump - from the guy that helped beat David Duke twice (Original Post) NewJeffCT Jul 2019 OP
unrolled thread here NewJeffCT Jul 2019 #1
Bookmarked, thanks! nt babylonsister Jul 2019 #23
K & R pazzyanne Jul 2019 #27
Here is the full thread unrolled hlthe2b Jul 2019 #2
+1, "They cannot accept they voted for a monster or got suckered." uponit7771 Jul 2019 #4
"It is easier to fool people... alterfurz Jul 2019 #59
Wise Words (No Pun Intended) dlk Jul 2019 #16
Couldn't agree more. gristy Jul 2019 #22
We need a nominee who will inspire, not suppress, turnout Fiendish Thingy Jul 2019 #30
that strategy will ba a lot more effective if the left/dems recognize certainot Jul 2019 #55
Absofrigginlutely. TY nt okaawhatever Jul 2019 #86
Best line of the article: Goodheart Jul 2019 #60
Excellent thread volstork Jul 2019 #3
Yes NewJeffCT Jul 2019 #6
He is amazing and should be regarded as someone MuseRider Jul 2019 #5
definitely NewJeffCT Jul 2019 #8
We just need an inspiring candidate metroins Jul 2019 #7
Yes, the most charismatic candidate normally wins NewJeffCT Jul 2019 #9
I agree metroins Jul 2019 #10
Well if you like dirty water, dirty air, vegatables grown in toxic pestisides, mercury in your fish katmondoo Jul 2019 #58
Whoa! That's good! TryLogic Jul 2019 #61
When one of the candidates comes out at the top lunatica Jul 2019 #12
This is a concern I have with our frontrunner Biden. He's safe, but not inspiring. thesquanderer Jul 2019 #34
I think I agree with you metroins Jul 2019 #47
However NewJeffCT Jul 2019 #74
True. (n/t) thesquanderer Jul 2019 #79
Al Franken could have been that candidate with "real charisma" LiberalLovinLug Jul 2019 #75
This is why I like Biden's message of continuing to talk about the racism. Drunken Irishman Jul 2019 #11
I'm not supporting any candidate NewJeffCT Jul 2019 #14
Yup. Drunken Irishman Jul 2019 #19
agreed NewJeffCT Jul 2019 #72
Trump is a monster Lunabell Jul 2019 #13
Yes NewJeffCT Jul 2019 #15
K&R... spanone Jul 2019 #17
"trying to flip Trump voters is a waste of time" trev Jul 2019 #18
There are more Democrats than Republicans out there NewJeffCT Jul 2019 #83
Hm. Got a link? trev Jul 2019 #84
kick gristy Jul 2019 #20
This is exactly what I think ProudLib72 Jul 2019 #21
Yes NewJeffCT Jul 2019 #24
And we must tie every republican Senator Mr.Bill Jul 2019 #25
Yes! TryLogic Jul 2019 #62
"And what I know ... Trumpism is a threat to everything we care about ..." bucolic_frolic Jul 2019 #26
Yeah, I can see what he is saying. Farmer-Rick Jul 2019 #28
I disagree somewhat ... I think we need to attack his ass on EVERYTHING fucked up he's done and IS mr_lebowski Jul 2019 #29
attacking him on too many fronts NewJeffCT Jul 2019 #57
Read the entire piece solid advice for Dems FloridaBlues Jul 2019 #31
Interesting... paleotn Jul 2019 #32
yes NewJeffCT Jul 2019 #36
Important read all Dems should read. Trump is an existential threat to our nation. Pepsidog Jul 2019 #33
Excellent analysis. This is all making pretty good sense to me. Work it like they do, yonder Jul 2019 #35
I don't think anybody would be getting equal media time from Trump NewJeffCT Jul 2019 #37
Bookmarking. calimary Jul 2019 #38
I agree, you'll never flip Trump voters; not his core voters anyway. patphil Jul 2019 #39
good comments NewJeffCT Jul 2019 #73
The most important line in this: Takket Jul 2019 #40
My friend expounded on the same idea. forgotmylogin Jul 2019 #41
actually, that was not the guy's point NewJeffCT Jul 2019 #48
Absolutely. sinkingfeeling Jul 2019 #42
And do the same for any candidate who supports the racist bigot Tiggeroshii Jul 2019 #43
How to beat Trump? Fifty strokes of a heavy cane would be a starting point. Doodley Jul 2019 #44
Kick and recommend x 10000000000 bronxiteforever Jul 2019 #45
I like Tim Wise, a racism expert.He finally got to his excellent points in the last 8 tweets ancianita Jul 2019 #46
Here's a message...Trump and today's Republican Party pecosbob Jul 2019 #49
Two misleading photos alp227 Jul 2019 #63
So noted...first image replaced pecosbob Jul 2019 #64
I don't care what "level we go to" orangecrush Jul 2019 #80
Excellent graphic from responses in the thread mnhtnbb Jul 2019 #50
definitely a good one NewJeffCT Jul 2019 #52
Excellent writeup. IMO This is part of why we lost 2016 onetexan Jul 2019 #51
K&R orangecrush Jul 2019 #53
Amen! Pacifist Patriot Jul 2019 #54
This guy walks the walk FakeNoose Jul 2019 #56
you're welcome NewJeffCT Jul 2019 #65
Interesting! Dem_4_Life Jul 2019 #66
So the bottom line is GOTV. littlemissmartypants Jul 2019 #67
Good advice, very good. I think the momentum is there (lots of anti rump sentiment), just ... SWBTATTReg Jul 2019 #68
there are a lot of distractions, though NewJeffCT Jul 2019 #71
Best OP I have seen in a long, long time. K & R 100% Persondem Jul 2019 #69
This Unrolled Thread Should be Required Reading for Every Democratic Candidate dlk Jul 2019 #70
Great post! JT99 Jul 2019 #76
Thanks JT - and welcome to DU NewJeffCT Jul 2019 #77
Thanks for the welcome... JT99 Jul 2019 #81
This is why I'm concerned with running Elizabeth Warren LiberalLovinLug Jul 2019 #78
I like Warren a lot as well NewJeffCT Jul 2019 #82
"DRIVE UP TURNOUT among the good folks, many of whom stayed home " IronLionZion Jul 2019 #85

hlthe2b

(102,327 posts)
2. Here is the full thread unrolled
Sun Jul 21, 2019, 07:11 PM
Jul 2019
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1152930670093787141.html

@timjacobwise
10 hours ago, 34 tweets, 6 min read Read on Twitter
1/ If the Dems blow this election it will not be because they were "too far left on policy" or because they "weren't left enough." It will have little to do with policy at all. They are making a mistake caused by traditional consultant theory that does not apply here...
2/ And by listening to influential pundits in liberal media who also don't get the unique nature of Trumpism, relative to normal political movements & campaigns...this election is NOT going to be won by talking about all your "great plans" for health care, jobs, education, etc..
3/ And the reasons are several...Let me begin by saying that I have experience confronting the kind of phenomenon we see in Trumpism, and far more than most. Any of us who were involved in the fight against David Duke in LA in 90/91 know what this is and how it must be fought...
4/ So before explaining what the Dems are doing wrong right now, a little history...In 1990, white supremacist David Duke ran for U.S. Senate in LA, and in 1991 for Governor. He lost both times but both times he won the majority of the white vote (60 and 55% respectively)...
5/ I was one of the staffers of the main anti-Duke PAC at the time & ultimately became Assistant Director. In 90, even though our Director Lance Hill, myself & a few of our founders wanted to focus on Duke's bigotry, ties to extremists and appeals to white racial resentment...
6/ ...after all, that WAS the issue--it was a moral struggle against racism--we had mainstream Democratic consultants who warned us against focusing too much on it. They said that "played into Duke's hands" and allowed him to set the agenda....
7/ So sure, we could discuss his ties to Nazis & such, but we shouldn't make a big deal out of his contemporary racist appeals, per se, bc "lots of voters agree" with those appeals...they even encouraged us to talk about utterly superfluous shit like Duke paying his taxes late..
8/ Or Duke avoiding service in Vietnam, or Duke writing a sex manual under a female pseudonym (yeah he did that)...although Lance held firm that we needed to talk mostly about racism, we did end up talking about some of that other stuff too, sadly...
9/ I say "sadly" because doing that normalized Duke as a regular candidate. Attacking his generic character or bill paying habits (or even discussing his inadequate plans for job creation, etc) treated him like a normal candidate. But he was/is a NAZI...
10/ And none of his voters were voting 4 him bc of jobs, or tax policy or support for term limits, etc. And none were going to turn on him over late tax payments, Vietnam, etc. Indeed throwing that stuff out there & downplaying the elephant in the room (racism) seemed desperate..
11/ It allowed people to say "well if he's really this racist, white supremacist, why are they talking about all this other stuff?" It actually undermined our ability to paint him as the extremist he was/is. And as a result, the threat he posed was not clear enough to voters...
12/ And this didn't just allow him to get votes he might not have gotten otherwise; it also depressed turnout among people who almost certainly disliked him but didn't think he could win or would be all that big a deal if he did. In fact I recall convos with "liberals"...
13/ ...Who said they weren't going 2 vote bc after all Duke's Dem opponent was just a shill for the oil and gas industry, and that was just as bad, blah blah fucking blah...because some lefties can't tell the difference between corporatist assholes and actual literal Nazis...
14/ But we bore some responsibility for that because we got suckered into playing this conventional game and "not playing into his narrative." Anyway, Duke gets 60% of the vote, black and white liberal turnout is lower than it should have been and Duke gets 44% of vote...
15/ In the Governor's race we dispensed w/ all that bullshit. We talked about Duke's ongoing Nazism and the moral/practical evil of his racist appeals. We discussed how that moral evil would have real world consequences (driving tourists and business away, rightly so, from LA)..
16/ Because it was wrong, and it was not who we wanted to be, and it was not who were were. We were better than that and needed to show the rest of the country that...
17/ Now, did this flip any of Duke's 1990 voters? Nah, not really. Indeed he got 65k MORE votes in the Governor's race than the Senate race. But it was never about flipping them. We knew that would be almost impossible...
18/ To flip Duke voters would require that they accept the fact that they had previously voted for a monster, and people are loath to do that. Our goal was not to flip them, but to DRIVE UP TURNOUT among the good folks, many of whom stayed home in 90...
19/ And that is what happened. The concerted effort of the anti-Duke forces (not just us), challenging Duke's "politics of prejudice," and making the election about what kind of state we wanted to be, drove turnout through the roof...
20/ 28,000+ registered on one day alone, between the initial election and runoff (which Duke made bc of the state's open primary system), with tens of thousands more overall: most of them, anti-Duke folks...
21/ When it was over, Duke had gotten 65k more votes than in 90, but his white share went to 55 (from 60) and overall to 39 (from 44) because the anti-Duke turnout swamped him...So what does this have to do with 2020 and Trump? Do I really need to explain it?...
22/ First, trying to flip Trump voters is a waste of time. Any of them who regret their vote don't need to be pandered to. They'll do the right thing. Don't focus on them. That said, very few will regret their vote. They cannot accept they voted for a monster or got suckered...
23/ Duke retained 94% of the folks he got the first time out (and got new people too), as Trump likely will. So forget these people--or at least don't wast time tailoring messages to them. And policy plans for affordable college don't mean shit to them, nor health care...
24/ Their support for Trump was never about policy. It was about the bigotry, the fact that he hates who they hate...Second, as for the "undecideds." ...Not many of these but seriously? If you're still undecided at this point about this guy...
25/ Then there is almost no way to know what would get you to make up your mind...I doubt it's a plan to deal with Wall Street though, or infrastructure, or tax policy...
26/ If anything, I would say crafting an argument that this is an existential crisis for the nation--and making it about Trump's bigotry and who we want to be as a country, would be far more effective in inspiring them to make up their minds...
27/ And what I know for a FACT is that this message--that Trumpism is a threat to everything we care about and love about this country--is what will inspire the Dem base to vote...and THAT is what this election is about...
28/ I'm not saying the Dems don't need policy ideas, but focusing on wonky, look-how-much-I've-thought about-this stuff is not going to move the needle in 2020...
29/ What the left never understands is: we need to stop approaching elections like the goddamned debate team, and start approaching it like the right does, like the cheerleading squad...
30/ The right knows psychology and we know public policy and sociology...great. The latter does not win elections...
31/ People who say the Dems should ignore Trump's race baiting because its some genius political strategy calculated to distract us, are idiots. He is no genius. And if you downplay it you NORMALIZE him. If you make this about policy, you NORMALIZE him. He is a racist...
32/ He is a white nationalist. He is an authoritarian. He and his cult are a threat to the future of the nation and world because of their hatreds. His movement betrays the country's promise. THAT is the message that will drive turnout. Not debates over marginal tax rates...
33/ Or how we are going to fund schools...And anyone who says we should ignore the race baiting to talk more about Mueller and Russia is an even bigger fool...that's like talking about Duke and late tax payments or other corruptions...it might all be true but is not the point...
34/ Not to say the House shouldn't impeach over that stuff. They should. But the 2020 candidates must craft a message that is not about that. Trumpism is the threat to America, more than Putin. And Putin didn't birth Trumpism. Conservative White America did...

dlk

(11,574 posts)
16. Wise Words (No Pun Intended)
Sun Jul 21, 2019, 07:53 PM
Jul 2019

Trump’s agenda should scare the living daylights out of any sane American. He is systematically destroying our country. Yes, this should be the #1 message for all the Democratic candidates.

gristy

(10,667 posts)
22. Couldn't agree more.
Sun Jul 21, 2019, 08:40 PM
Jul 2019

I've been thinking and occasionally talking along these lines for months. Forget winning over any Trumpistas. Turnout is everything. Give the new and occasional voters something to emotionally grab on to and embrace, and Trump will lose for sure.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,649 posts)
30. We need a nominee who will inspire, not suppress, turnout
Sun Jul 21, 2019, 09:13 PM
Jul 2019

I think there are candidates who can be "wonky" on policy, and still wage a vicious battle against Trump's politics of hate.

If we inspire young voters and dramatically in crease their turnout, we WILL win.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
55. that strategy will ba a lot more effective if the left/dems recognize
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 08:23 AM
Jul 2019

that about 30 years ago the KKK might as well have bought 1500 radio stations and been spewing racism and pro-corporate and authoritarian bullshit ever since.

and might want to ask 88 universities why they support 260 limbaugh stations. they need to be asked if they would still broadcast sports on their stations if they were bought by the KKK or trump- because that who they work for and they would have to do something else if those universities started pulling out.

if left alone they will continue to attack AOC and omar and anyone else who sticks their necks out and send death threats their way, and make excuses for trump

Goodheart

(5,334 posts)
60. Best line of the article:
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 10:00 AM
Jul 2019
29/ What the left never understands is: we need to stop approaching elections like the goddamned debate team, and start approaching it like the right does, like the cheerleading squad...

volstork

(5,403 posts)
3. Excellent thread
Sun Jul 21, 2019, 07:19 PM
Jul 2019

from someone who clearly knows what he's talking about. Dems should take heed. This is how we won back the House, and it will be how we win back the Senate and WH as well.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
6. Yes
Sun Jul 21, 2019, 07:23 PM
Jul 2019

he definitely knows what he's talking about and it does make sense. Make the election about Trump's racism and sexism and it will drive up Democratic turnout and turn off moderates to Trump.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
8. definitely
Sun Jul 21, 2019, 07:26 PM
Jul 2019

I had thought about some of what he had said, but he really put it all together and laid it out there, by speaking from his experience.

metroins

(2,550 posts)
7. We just need an inspiring candidate
Sun Jul 21, 2019, 07:24 PM
Jul 2019

Somebody with real charisma.

I unfortunately didn't see any inspiration in the first debate. Hopefully we will get something on the CNN debates. I won't mention any names, I think nobody in the field stood out as a "Hope and Change" candidate.

Voters will vote for the most inspiring candidate.

I agree with most of the Twitter posts.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
9. Yes, the most charismatic candidate normally wins
Sun Jul 21, 2019, 07:27 PM
Jul 2019

but, I think Trump is such a train wreck that the negative aspects of his personality & Con Man charisma can work in Democratic favor

metroins

(2,550 posts)
10. I agree
Sun Jul 21, 2019, 07:31 PM
Jul 2019

Trump also lost his shine. I think moderates see through trump now BUT I also don't think they care too much about his personality because most of his "policies" don't affect people in day to day life.

Hopefully our candidate is shiny.

katmondoo

(6,457 posts)
58. Well if you like dirty water, dirty air, vegatables grown in toxic pestisides, mercury in your fish
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 08:53 AM
Jul 2019

hormones and pesticides in your beef, sex trafficking, guns, and living in fear for end of healthcare and loss of Social Security then OK vote for the number one dirtbag, Donald Trump.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
12. When one of the candidates comes out at the top
Sun Jul 21, 2019, 07:35 PM
Jul 2019

it will show exactly what platform most Democrats want.

Trying to compare this election to any other is not very smart. It’s actually stupid. Best compare it only to the mid term elections last year. It blew all past theories out of the water. It shocked and surprised even the most seasoned pundits.

There are too many pundits thinking they know what they’re talking about. The fact is we are NOT in normal times, or dealing with a normal human being with Trump.

thesquanderer

(11,990 posts)
34. This is a concern I have with our frontrunner Biden. He's safe, but not inspiring.
Sun Jul 21, 2019, 09:27 PM
Jul 2019

I've been leaning toward Warren lately because I think she's inspiring, but I still have my hesitations, including how Trump will play the whole "pocahontas" thing. And all her detailed plans also provide some ammunition to beat her over the head with. You said you hadn't seen much hope and change yet, but there's a lot of change in Warren.

I also like Buttigieg, and admire how he takes it to Trump, but does it without demonizing the people who voted for him... we could use a little less polarization. He may be the smartest candidate we have, but I'd like to see him show some more passion.

I might end up choosing on primary election day, simply by selecting who out of the various candidates I like are then polling at beating Trump in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania. I think any candidate is likely to keep the states that Hillary won, we need someone who can capture enough of the next most winnable states.

metroins

(2,550 posts)
47. I think I agree with you
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 12:54 AM
Jul 2019

Which is concerning.

I might choose on primary day as well.

I REALLY liked a lot of what Buttigieg said but I think he needs federal experience.

In the end I think I'm voting for whoever can beat trump.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
74. However
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 12:34 PM
Jul 2019

while I support nobody, Biden was the one that focused on Trump's racism and support for Neo Nazis in Charlottesville when he made his announcement.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
14. I'm not supporting any candidate
Sun Jul 21, 2019, 07:46 PM
Jul 2019

but, I did notice that in his announcement - he set the tone that needed to be set on Trump

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
19. Yup.
Sun Jul 21, 2019, 07:59 PM
Jul 2019

We gotta hit Trump at every level for his racism. It's not going to win over his supporters but it sure could win over a lot of voters who sat out 2016 or voted third party.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
72. agreed
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 12:24 PM
Jul 2019

too many Democrats and moderates sat it out in 2016.

Registered voters increased from around 150 million in 2012 to around 200 million in 2016 - a HUGE increase. But, actual turnout only ticked up marginally, and many voted Green or Libertarian.

if we can focus on the racism and sexism, it should help focus the voters and get them to vote against Trump.

Lunabell

(6,103 posts)
13. Trump is a monster
Sun Jul 21, 2019, 07:43 PM
Jul 2019

We need to keep pounding the message that he is a white supremacist, a horrible human being who puts children in cages and directs his minions to harass people of color. He is a nazi fascist who wants to be a dictator.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
15. Yes
Sun Jul 21, 2019, 07:47 PM
Jul 2019

keep that up - attack him on that. Differences on how to get to universal healthcare won't amount to crap if Trump wins again.

trev

(1,480 posts)
18. "trying to flip Trump voters is a waste of time"
Sun Jul 21, 2019, 07:58 PM
Jul 2019

I agree. Trump followers are set in their ways. They know what he is, and they like it. Those on the fence, IMO, are basically Trump voters by this point. If they can see all these attributes in him and still not be sure, then they're a lost cause.

BUT the same points (racism--especially racism--pedophilia, fraud, etc) must still be made in an attempt to get non-voting Dems to vote. We should also include in our arguments the many useless and dangerous appointments he has made.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
83. There are more Democrats than Republicans out there
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 04:07 PM
Jul 2019

the number identifying with the GOP is shrinking under Trump

trev

(1,480 posts)
84. Hm. Got a link?
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 04:38 PM
Jul 2019

I think the Republicans who are turning from Trump would still vote Red if someone primaries him. Any GOP replacement would still be bad for the country.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
21. This is exactly what I think
Sun Jul 21, 2019, 08:25 PM
Jul 2019

The racist tweet got things riled up; it brought out a huge backlash against him and support for The Squad. We need to recognize that and keep it up. Keep calling him a racist on the House floor. Call him a racist in candidate ads. It is his narrative. Use it!!!

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
24. Yes
Sun Jul 21, 2019, 08:49 PM
Jul 2019

It will unite Democrats against Trump. Even the moderate Democrats in the House voted against Trump on the racism issue. Every single Democrat, from Dan Lipinski and Henry Cuellar on the right to AOC on left voted to condemn Trump.

Heck, 4 Republicans and Justin Amash joined them. More Republicans than voted for Obamacare.

Mr.Bill

(24,311 posts)
25. And we must tie every republican Senator
Sun Jul 21, 2019, 08:49 PM
Jul 2019

up for election to the train wreck called Trump. They have all voted in lockstep for all his appointments and not one word of criticism for Trump has come from any of them. Make them own that. Every day.

They voted unanimously to put a rapist drunk on the Supreme Court. Try crying at a job interview and keep yelling that you love beer and see how it goes.

bucolic_frolic

(43,248 posts)
26. "And what I know ... Trumpism is a threat to everything we care about ..."
Sun Jul 21, 2019, 08:55 PM
Jul 2019

"And what I know for a FACT is that this message--that Trumpism is a threat to everything we care about and love about this country--is what will inspire the Dem base to vote...and THAT is what this election is about..."

Farmer-Rick

(10,197 posts)
28. Yeah, I can see what he is saying.
Sun Jul 21, 2019, 09:05 PM
Jul 2019

We need to overwhelm the RepubliCON cheat machine. To do that we have to get turn out high, very high. One way to do that is to address Trump's blatant racism, sexism, pedophile friends and corruption. To ignore it is to legitimize it and him. The dire straights of our failing democracy has to be explained to Americans to get them out to vote against Trump.

But that is not enough. It didn't work for Hillary though his awfulness was not as visible then. Most people knew some of his psychopathy. I thought Hillary did a good job of showing and explaining Trump's racism, bigotry and sexism.

I think policy does matter and we can talk about both. Remember the TPP? That is how we turned off some major union voters. Though Russia and our American capitalist kings pouring money into the NRA, Trump and GOP coffers didn't help. Bad policy platforms will turn off voters and keep them away from the polls.

Maybe it is how you talk about policy is what matters. It's useless to talk about policy to Trump because he has No policy. But laying out how you will economically help those who have been left behind will motivate poorer voters. Don't engage in swapping policy with Trump because the only policy he has is to abuse us all....except those who kiss his big fat ass. Just confront him on his abuses and lay out our liberal Democratic vision. That will inspire voters and expose Trump.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
29. I disagree somewhat ... I think we need to attack his ass on EVERYTHING fucked up he's done and IS
Sun Jul 21, 2019, 09:05 PM
Jul 2019

Because everyone has a different set of hot-buttons, and he's both a jacked up person, and his policies SUCK too. Even the economy is not as great as he makes it out to be.

Economic shit is more important than anything, but people also care about clean air and water and the environment, and healthcare, and their kids education, etc.

I don't think SOLELY or even 'primarily' focusing on his obvious racism and 'who we want to be as a country' is any better of a plan than any other specific bad thing about Trump. Focus on ALL OF IT, and do so in ABUNDANCE.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
57. attacking him on too many fronts
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 08:31 AM
Jul 2019

is what happened in 2016. The tax returns, charity fraud, Russian and Saudi collusion, etc causes people to lose focus.

In 2015 and 2016, there was a new Trump scandal or outrage nearly every day. However, it made people forget about what happened yesterday, the day before yesterday and last week. Trump focused on Hillary's emails and the DNC emails.

So, in the eyes of the media and the general public all of the Trump scandals were equal to, or less than, the Clinton email "scandal" that really wasn't a scandal.

paleotn

(17,937 posts)
32. Interesting...
Sun Jul 21, 2019, 09:24 PM
Jul 2019

We can talk about our vision and all that. That's great, but never lose sight of WHAT the other side is. I believe it was disgust over the current pResident and his Rethuglican minions that drove 2018 turn out and flipped the House. We need that fire in the belly once again.

yonder

(9,669 posts)
35. Excellent analysis. This is all making pretty good sense to me. Work it like they do,
Sun Jul 21, 2019, 09:28 PM
Jul 2019

without getting into the mud with them. Make it about the person. Already one can see some GOP success with their painting "a democratic vote is a socialistic vote" - certainly with the redhats I've talked with. Many people could care less about policy, especially details. They would rather hitch their wagons to the person. That's what we should be focusing on: unhitching the fence sitters from tRump.

From the thread:
"What the left never understands is: we need to stop approaching elections like the goddamned debate team, and start approaching it like the right does, like the cheerleading squad."

The only complication I see is getting equal time and support from the MSM. They've got to step up and do their jobs. Right now tRump has the bully pulpit and seems to never be taken to task for anything.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
37. I don't think anybody would be getting equal media time from Trump
Sun Jul 21, 2019, 09:31 PM
Jul 2019

not even Obama saying he was going to run for a 3rd term could get the media to stop focusing on Donny Dollhands

patphil

(6,194 posts)
39. I agree, you'll never flip Trump voters; not his core voters anyway.
Sun Jul 21, 2019, 09:41 PM
Jul 2019

I also agree that the best way to win is to get out the vote.
The more people that vote, the greater our chance of not jut a win, but a convincing win.
All of Trump's base is planning on voting. That's not going to change.
But, there are 10's of millions of Americans who aren't voting.
These people are not hard core Trumpies.
If we can get them to vote, a large majority of them will vote Democratic.
About 137 million people voted in 2016. If we can get that number up to 155 million, most of the 18 million additional votes will go to the Democrat...I'll bet at least 2/3 of them.
And then there is a whole group of people who simply voted against Hillary.
We need to give them a candidate they can embrace.
The other group to go after is the voters who didn't vote for either Trump or Clinton. Bernie Sanders got almost 112 thousand votes!
We also need to entice away as many votes as possible that went to Jill Stein...about 1,457,000 in 2016.

I'm sure the Democrats are planning a strategy that will maximize the vote. It's not rocket science, and we already know Trump consistently polls about 40%.
The Democrats need to get the 60% who aren't for Trump into the voting booths.

Trump is very vulnerable, and can be beaten...he must be beaten for the sake of this nation's future.

Patrick Phillips

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
73. good comments
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 12:26 PM
Jul 2019

Not just Jill Stein, but there Libertarians got a big increase in 2016 because some Republicans didn't want to vote Trump but also didn't want to vote Hillary. Will those voters stay Libertarian, go back to Republican? Or, if Trump is seen toxic enough, will they vote Democratic?

Takket

(21,600 posts)
40. The most important line in this:
Sun Jul 21, 2019, 09:41 PM
Jul 2019

"First, trying to flip Trump voters is a waste of time."

Bam.

Hillary called them a basket of deplorables. she was FLAMED for it, and 100% correct.

Almost every single one of these people will be back for drumpf again in 2020.

They are GONE, and they are NEVER coming back. Say all the right things about wanting to "be a leader for all Americans" blah blah blah........ but do nothing practical to "reach out" to them.

and the Hillary voters don't need any convincing either. We will all be back.

I think 40% of the electorate sat out 2016. Those are the people you have to get up off their asses and into the voting booth in 2020.

and here is the rub............... Democrats can be the "cheerleaders" and not the "debate team", but when we do that? The media trashes us.

"They have no plan. All they do is hate drumpf". The GOP never presents ANY plans for anything, and the media never questions them on it. They cheerlead so well because the media lets them do it. Their only "plan" is saying how much WE suck. So I'm not convinced that if we are "cheerleaders" for 2020 the media will let us "get away" with it, and if we are presented as being nothing more than "opposing drumpf", I'm not sure that will drive turnout.

Democrats are going to need a healthy dose of both debating and cheerleading, and the trick is going to be keeping the media from saying we offer America nothing.

forgotmylogin

(7,530 posts)
41. My friend expounded on the same idea.
Sun Jul 21, 2019, 09:53 PM
Jul 2019

Essentially since the Rs are going hard right, the Ds end up having to go further right to appear "moderate" when what's actually needed is to put more weight at the opposing end of the seesaw. There will always be moderate Democrats, but the goal should be to give voters a satisfactory range from true moderate to "far-left" instead of "Rs call them Socialists even though they aren't!" to "Practically an R with a D in front of their name."

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
48. actually, that was not the guy's point
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 05:32 AM
Jul 2019

He's saying it doesn't matter if they support Medicare for All (Sanders, Warren, etc) or expanding Obamacare (Biden) if Trump wins again and implements a full-on authoritarian racist regime.

And, a $15 minimum wage or a $14 minimum wage isn't going to matter if Trump wins and the minimum wage becomes 0

 

Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)
43. And do the same for any candidate who supports the racist bigot
Sun Jul 21, 2019, 10:04 PM
Jul 2019

Dont levae any stone unturned. This strategy can turn his image into political kryptonite.

bronxiteforever

(9,287 posts)
45. Kick and recommend x 10000000000
Sun Jul 21, 2019, 10:09 PM
Jul 2019

I couldn’t agree more with this brilliant strategy. If a trump voter isn’t upset about kids in cages they ain’t gonna flip! And most are not going to flip. It is a complete waste of time to woo those people.
Focus on turn out and call him a racist and dictator and don’t normalize him with policy.

ancianita

(36,128 posts)
46. I like Tim Wise, a racism expert.He finally got to his excellent points in the last 8 tweets
Sun Jul 21, 2019, 10:11 PM
Jul 2019
26/ If anything, I would say crafting an argument that this is an existential crisis for the nation--and making it about Trump's bigotry and who we want to be as a country, would be far more effective in inspiring them to make up their minds...

27/ And what I know for a FACT is that this message--that Trumpism is a threat to everything we care about and love about this country--is what will inspire the Dem base to vote...and THAT is what this election is about...

28/ I'm not saying the Dems don't need policy ideas, but focusing on wonky, look-how-much-I've-thought about-this stuff is not going to move the needle in 2020...

29/ What the left never understands is: we need to stop approaching elections like the goddamned debate team, and start approaching it like the right does, like the cheerleading squad...

30/ The right knows psychology and we know public policy and sociology...great. The latter does not win elections...

31/ People who say the Dems should ignore Trump's race baiting because its some genius political strategy calculated to distract us, are idiots. He is no genius. And if you downplay it you NORMALIZE him. If you make this about policy, you NORMALIZE him. He is a racist...

32/ He is a white nationalist. He is an authoritarian. He and his cult are a threat to the future of the nation and world because of their hatreds. His movement betrays the country's promise. THAT is the message that will drive turnout. Not debates over marginal tax rates...

33/ Or how we are going to fund schools...And anyone who says we should ignore the race baiting to talk more about Mueller and Russia is an even bigger fool...that's like talking about Duke and late tax payments or other corruptions...it might all be true but is not the point...

34/ Not to say the House shouldn't impeach over that stuff. They should. But the 2020 candidates must craft a message that is not about that. Trumpism is the threat to America, more than Putin. And Putin didn't birth Trumpism. Conservative White America did...


That's it: Donald Trump, the abnormal racist, white nationalist authoritarian threat who will destroy America's very existence.


Thank you for posting this. An excellent read.

pecosbob

(7,542 posts)
49. Here's a message...Trump and today's Republican Party
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 05:46 AM
Jul 2019

Caging America


Selling America


Raping America


Making America Genocidal Again

alp227

(32,044 posts)
63. Two misleading photos
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 10:42 AM
Jul 2019

Eric Garner died in 2014. That image of the child is from a staged protest. Let's not sink to Breitbart/right wing blog levels.

pecosbob

(7,542 posts)
64. So noted...first image replaced
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 10:44 AM
Jul 2019

but the Breitbart remark was uncalled for. I searched for the images at random. I chose the Garner incident because of it's widespread publicity without realizing it happened that long ago. Clearly the GOP is still responsible for the war on brown people so I stand by it's use.

orangecrush

(19,587 posts)
80. I don't care what "level we go to"
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 02:06 PM
Jul 2019

If it gets Trump out.

This isn't Queensbury rules anymore.

This is a street fight.

onetexan

(13,051 posts)
51. Excellent writeup. IMO This is part of why we lost 2016
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 06:14 AM
Jul 2019

Way too much handling of this guy like he was a normal candidate. All Dem candidates needs to call him exactly what he is - a racist, and a threat to America & the free world.

FakeNoose

(32,703 posts)
56. This guy walks the walk
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 08:24 AM
Jul 2019

I sure hope our Democratic candidates have time to read this guy's analysis. He is right on the money! The old tricks of the trade just don't work against Chump, this is a whole new ballgame.

Except it isn't because Tim Wise has been there and done this before.
Thanks for posting!

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
65. you're welcome
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 10:46 AM
Jul 2019

it seems really simple what he said, but I think having it put together like that is makes it seem like a great strategy.

I think I mentioned upthread, but there was a new scandal or outrage with Trump every day during 2016, sometimes more than one per day. However, the effect of that was that yesterday's scandals and the scandals from two days ago and last week were soon forgotten.

With Clinton in 2016, it was all about her emails.

So, her emails were given as much weight as the hundreds of Trump scandals and outrageous statements because so many of them had been buried and forgotten.

If you keep the focus on the racism and misogyny, it will remind people of past incidents of racism and/or misogyny.

littlemissmartypants

(22,722 posts)
67. So the bottom line is GOTV.
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 11:13 AM
Jul 2019

It's not rocket science and we certainly don't need Tim Wise to tell us how it's done.

I used to see those letters EVERYWHERE on DU.

GOTV!

But I hardly ever do anymore. I'm challenging anyone to explain to me what they mean and what part, of what they stand for, you plan to do to help us win in 2020.

Don't be embarrassed or ashamed if you don't know what they stand for because you have plenty of time to figure that out and to make the commitment to participate in the process.

But will you?

It's so much easier to whine and complain and attempt to push some questionable policy position or attack candidates. Being a keyboard warrior amounts to little more than blowing air. Being hell bent on making a point but doing little or nothing to build consensus. All talk, no action, as the saying goes.

You have to be willing to spend some sweat equity.
You have to focus on being a uniter and not a divider. You have to peel yourself off the sofa or out of your easy chair, plan your commitment and follow through.

Luckily, you have time to figure out, on what side of history you plan to find yourself. Will you GOTV or just complain about the state of the party? Will you actually try to do something to help us win?

When I first became a member here I didn't have a clue what GOTV stands for but one day I asked someone and everything changed for me. I went from a Moral Monday marcher with Reverend Doctor Barber to an active participant in our democratic process.

If you are interested in what I do and have done to GOTV, I'll be glad to share with you. Just ask and let's GOTV together.


SWBTATTReg

(22,154 posts)
68. Good advice, very good. I think the momentum is there (lots of anti rump sentiment), just ...
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 11:36 AM
Jul 2019

need to keep up voter drives, etc. and drive this bigot out of office.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
71. there are a lot of distractions, though
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 12:15 PM
Jul 2019

and, a lot of work will be done by Cambridge Analytica, Russia and others to divide the Democrats and suppress turnout

dlk

(11,574 posts)
70. This Unrolled Thread Should be Required Reading for Every Democratic Candidate
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 11:53 AM
Jul 2019

Trump is systematically dismantling our government, particularly destroying all of our capability of scientific research. He is an active threat to everything that actually makes us great. and is causing a level of destruction that will change who we are, forever. Every single Democratic candidate should be shouting this from the rooftops, every day. Make no mistake, we are at Defcon 1 and double code red!!!

JT99

(36 posts)
76. Great post!
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 01:09 PM
Jul 2019

This needs to be shouted from the rooftops daily, weekly, monthly, until the elections. Every democratic candidate needs to take this to heart!

JT99

(36 posts)
81. Thanks for the welcome...
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 02:54 PM
Jul 2019

...I've been here daily since the election theft of 2004. Just don't post very much!

LiberalLovinLug

(14,175 posts)
78. This is why I'm concerned with running Elizabeth Warren
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 01:22 PM
Jul 2019

She is arguably the most intelligent candidate. The one that has done the most thorough job on her policy platform. She has an answer for everything.

But that kind of quiet logical ethical technocratic approach will only earn the admiration of the already politically active Democrats. (Which is why she is so popular in here).

In some ways its a shame with all the work someone like Elizabeth has put into her thoughful platform ideas. But all of that can come later, once we win. Its almost as if they don't want to take the low hanging fruit...racism, fascism, because its too easy. Sometimes the (keeping it) simple way is the best way.

We need a fighter. Doesn't matter if they have their platform all worked out yet. The only one that I see coming close is Kamala Harris, although I see her as more of an opportunist than say Warren, who I respect more, and think would make an awesome President. But Harris has chutzpah (if she was even willing to take on the revered Biden) I only wish Al Franken was running. He had the charisma, and the intelligence, and fight.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
82. I like Warren a lot as well
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 03:00 PM
Jul 2019

and, she's great on policy, but is she going to be able to attack Trump on Racism and Sexism?

IronLionZion

(45,491 posts)
85. "DRIVE UP TURNOUT among the good folks, many of whom stayed home "
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 04:56 PM
Jul 2019

Our party had great turnout for Obama. We need to recreate that kind of inspiration and motivation for good people who know it's important to remove Trump and his enablers. That energy and turnout helped Dems win downticket elections in the House and Senate too.

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