will yell. If they don't, some will yell. Whatever, if it just sits, tRump will use it full force in his campaign for his purposes saying how it was all fake, and if there was anything, the democrats would have moved forward. Frankly, I would prefer to be in the investigatory phase, and then figure where to go from there. I say this, because supposedly that is (I think) the next step if they have all of their ducks lined up.

You can't say someone robbed a bank, we have proof, however we will not charge them.

can raise the probability that the "jury" will become more objective. THAT'S THE REASON FOR AN INQUIRY!

Pelosi is abandoning logic to prevent chaos (Huh?). But chaos is the norm in today's politics and can't be avoided. My God! Russia pulled off a coup, has installed its agents in the White House, is blackmailing GOP politicians with foreign donations, and the Dem leader wants Congress to declare that the president should be removed from office BEFORE the facts are laid before them???

What this actually means is that there is NO INTENTION to begin an impeachment inquiry because there's no logical connection between an inquiry as the basis for establishing evidence and the prospect for impeachment as the basis for removal from office. It's as if a prosecutor gets a conclusive conviction BEFORE a trial, or for that matter, even before an arraignment is held. Since when does this happen?

Since impeachment is a political process, how will Congress access those reams of evidence? So far Justice seems willing to run interference. I am struggle with parallels to the criminal justice system of investigating crimes, given these circumstances.

By law, even the unredacted Muller report will have to be presented to the investigative body, subpoenas will have to be answered, etc. Impeachment proceedings gives extra power to the Democrats to round up the information they need to later indict the creature.

I am reading a book by Cass R. Sustein titled "Impeachment - A Citizen's Guide". I wish Pelosi would read it.

[link:https://www.amazon.com/Impeachment-Citizens-Cass-R-Sunstein/dp/0674983793/ref=sr_1_1?crid=DWZQJQXGT56Z&keywords=impeachment+a+citizen%27s+guide&qid=1563890303&s=gateway&sprefix=impeachment+a+ci%2Caps%2C248&sr=8-1|

I intend to read it a second time because there are many details well worth remembering. It is an easy read, the author has done a superb job explaining its history, and I am not sure if I am biased, but I see references of the creature's criminal actions on every page. As I read I say, yes that is what this crook has done.

But the proceedings will expose all the corruption and criminal behaviour for all the World to see.

It will also make the Senate republicans be seen as conspirators because of their failure to punish the creature and whomever is involved for the crimes and misdemeanors they will be found to have committed.

It is a win-win situation for Democrats, not sure why Pelosi cannot see it...maybe she is waiting for what will happen with Muller tomorrow.

I hold no hope about tomorrow because I don't think Muller will say anything beyond to what everyone knows already, I hope I am wrong. I keep hoping I am wrong about some of these things that I have become pessimistic about to painfully find out I was right, but I keep trying and hoping I am wrong.

Where are the 20 GOP Senate votes needed for removal

The debate must be about right and wrong. Everyone knows about the Republicans in the Senate. They are not relevant until after the impeachment hearings.

After the impeachment hearings have ended and it is proven Trump committed High Crimes and Misdemeanors, then the Republicans in the Senate and the American people will be forced to choose their fate. Convict the criminal or protect him.

It is time to stop playing politics and it is time to stop living in fear of what may happen.

Force the Republicans and American people to make a choice.

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An impeachment effort- even if unsuccessful- might weaken him.

If Democrats (Pelosi) do not begin the impeachment proceedings it will only make the creature think he is above the law, things will get worst.

Begin impeachment proceedings and allow the World to witness corruption at its best, then, as you pointed out, the Senate will have to make a decision on which side they are, are they the patriots they claim to be, or are they loyal puppets of the creature, and Putin of course.

You really think that their constituents will think a 'no' vote on impeachment is a bad thing?

It is actually, according to him, a win-win for Democrats. That the Senate will not impeach is just an excuse Pelosi is using, but public impeachment will uncover all the criminality of the creature and many of his minions, the whole World will see it.

Please find Laurence Tribe case on impeachment...Here you go:

[link:https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/impeach-trump-but-dont-necessarily-try-him-in-the-senate/2019/06/05/22d83672-87bc-11e9-a870-b9c411dc4312_story.html?utm_term=.5df34098a58f|

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I'm sure there are some thinking, "Just wait until Mueller spills his guts!" who will be very disappointed that we really won't get that much out of Mueller.

The key is convincing a bunch of freshman Democratic Congresspeople to go against their promise to "stop playing politics" which got them to flip some solidly GOP seats. My bet is that the majority of the voters in the districts that elected them really doesn't want to see Trump impeached, especially in the districts that voted for Trump in 2016.

So Mueller will say it again in the July 24th hearing, that is in the hands of Congress they have it in their Constitutional duties to confront the issues.

I think the Repigs will make asses out of themselves by piling up on Mueller.

ARE calling for impeachment.

What I understand is that Nadler is waiting for the Muller hearing to come out as a supporter of impeachment, I and feel many other Democrats who have remained silent will too.

And this "self-impeachment" nonsense needs to stop. If Nancy is not going to do anything about impeachment, whatever, but saying that Trump is "self-impeaching" himself is kinda dumb. He's not stopping what he's doing and he's not removing himself from office. He is basically acting lawlessly.

As soon as the Mueller report came out, they could have immediately contradicted Barr and Trump and cited Mueller's words, through public hearings, to do so. Having waited so long, the momentum is gone and anything done now will just look like a partisan move to affect the election. I understand our leaders’ thinking about the politics of the situation—and do not envy them having to make these tough decisions. But I think the train has left the station, and Mueller will say nothing to help the situation.

They contradicted what Barr said right out of the gate.

They had hearings to read the Mueller report into the record.

and, as of right now, we still have fewer than 100 House Democrats supporting impeachment.

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that the Dems are just hating and picking on him.

is going to lose the house and hand Donnie an easy win in 2020, and too many of our congresscritters are really stupid enough to believe that shit....

Using their narrow and special interpretations of the Constitution, etc. - when there has been so many, constructive, learned reasons by so many, on why impeachment is not now a good idea.

Instead, ignoring such reasonings. Then often emotionally and belligerently, insulting Pelosi/Mueller, et al and their collective wisdoms.

Over and over again.

"My house is on on fire with my family inside, and I'm out here in my underwear- I'd like to fight the fire, but I'm afraid my neighbors will make fun of me, so instead I'm going shopping for some new clothes so I can look my best at the funeral"

Not sure what it is you specifically want House Democrats to do.

Pelosi has framed the issue as one of saving our democracy which is why she said we can't afford to get it wrong.

I think her framing is correct.

The choice then is to gather evidence by
1. formally opening impeachment hearing or
2. hold hearings first without formally opening an impeachment hearing

There appears to be some benefits to choice #1 in regard to obtaining information; however there also appear to be drawbacks

In any case choice #2 seems to have already been made and the process has been underway.

Part of the process we are in is the Mueller testimony tomorrow. Maybe Mueller will surprise and present a compelling case for impeachment that will so shock sufficient numbers of representatives and so many citizens that the House will open a formal impeachment inquiry. However Mueller has already signaled that this is unlikely.

I would consider a very good outcome tomorrow if many more citizens were to understand what impeachable offenses are already out there and which others there may be once more evidence is gathered, and most importantly what is at stake-our democracy-and what that means for our lives, our country, and the future.

I would still consider it a good outcome if many more citizens just understood that impeachable offenses occurred and justice needed to be served by moving closer to an impeachment inquiry.

The August recess does not mean that all work stops. It is a necessary part of our democratic process.

I am not interested in actions that will lead to the American people deciding to destroy themselves, because that will also destroy me, my family, my liberty and freedom and that of everyone else.

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