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*************Official Thread Mueller Hearings************ (Original Post) bdamomma Jul 2019 OP
He is and realizes he's hamstrung. Not a strong speaker. sinkingfeeling Jul 2019 #1
Nadler is off to a good start. avebury Jul 2019 #2
Excellent questions. Peregrine Took Jul 2019 #6
Lofgren is doing fine,too! True Blue American Jul 2019 #36
Is he having trouble talking?! donkeypoofed Jul 2019 #3
Pretty sure that's just his manner blogslut Jul 2019 #7
Im sure he is "thinking before every single word". honest.abe Jul 2019 #11
I think we're seeing his reticence to testify ok_cpu Jul 2019 #65
Took a long time for an "official" thread to get going here. BumRushDaShow Jul 2019 #4
Nadler's questions are so gooooood blogslut Jul 2019 #5
Quick and pointed. TruckFump Jul 2019 #8
Nadler knocked it out of the park. llmart Jul 2019 #9
***NOTE*** Republicans will try to "sleep" the jury now !!! uponit7771 Jul 2019 #10
Collins says he will talk slow, but then he talks like a motor mouth Beringia Jul 2019 #12
is he really a southerner? rampartc Jul 2019 #81
Collins is showing himself to be an absolute d__khead. hlthe2b Jul 2019 #13
I hope to hell he is not a lawyer. TruckFump Jul 2019 #17
He is and fancies himself to be some brilliant cross-examiner. He'd just a dick. hlthe2b Jul 2019 #22
Amazing who and what passes for an intellectual on the right. stopbush Jul 2019 #32
There is a huge range in quality of law schools. Some spooky3 Jul 2019 #217
Holy shit. TruckFump Jul 2019 #38
Going on about how great True Blue American Jul 2019 #51
Boom !!! Collusion is not conspiracy !!! uponit7771 Jul 2019 #14
Please explain the significance of that. honest.abe Jul 2019 #16
Republicans are trying to conflate the two so no conspiracy is no collusion when Mueller FIRST ... uponit7771 Jul 2019 #23
Ah got it. Thanks. honest.abe Jul 2019 #26
yes, BUT in his own report, Mueller said they were synonymous Celerity Jul 2019 #205
shit ... uponit7771 Jul 2019 #211
that was the worst exchange for us so far, Ratcliffe (after calling us Socialists, the asshole) made Celerity Jul 2019 #218
Right, but Mueller did and that's a sound bite but it's not a grounded one which sucks ... uponit7771 Jul 2019 #220
I have to be honest (and this could change on a dime, obviously) this is not going well at all Celerity Jul 2019 #221
Dems are doing a good job at stringing together OoJ, they're no doubt staying away from .... uponit7771 Jul 2019 #224
Bass was very good (she was asking questions as I typed that) Celerity Jul 2019 #225
Yes she was, It looks like dems are focused on OoJ and are making good hits while the uponit7771 Jul 2019 #227
As I understand it angrychair Jul 2019 #230
How does the fact of over 200 contacts between Trump's people and Russians stand with the ancianita Jul 2019 #244
Dipchit Collins got him to change what he first said on that. Hoyt Jul 2019 #52
Yep, heard that ... dammit ... come on dems, straighten that out. uponit7771 Jul 2019 #54
Collins is a jerk. bdamomma Jul 2019 #15
No kidding... and slow the fuck down, asshole. demmiblue Jul 2019 #19
Mueller should ask them to speak slower now... uponit7771 Jul 2019 #25
i mute them barbtries Jul 2019 #234
At least we got this: demmiblue Jul 2019 #237
yeah hehe barbtries Jul 2019 #238
I have a much stronger descriptor for him. Pacifist Patriot Jul 2019 #20
I get the feeling all rethugs will be. dewsgirl Jul 2019 #24
+1, Mueller cut a lot of their BS out though ... we'll see. The collusion conspiracy answer is ... uponit7771 Jul 2019 #34
Collins Is Still Talking Fast And I Think On Purpose.... global1 Jul 2019 #18
Yup, he was trying to trick Mueller into a wrong answer by talking so fast to get to him to mtnsnake Jul 2019 #42
Collins is chewing up a lot of his time because avebury Jul 2019 #21
It's a questioning gish gallop form, Mueller should should ask him to talk slow and loud. uponit7771 Jul 2019 #28
Mueller should have asked him to slow down so that the everyone (the public included) avebury Jul 2019 #44
Thugs are going to all be belligerent and Zoonart Jul 2019 #30
He totally skipped any question about obstruction of justice! Roland99 Jul 2019 #45
Who is the Woman from Cali? I didn't catch the name on the radio irisblue Jul 2019 #27
lofgren uponit7771 Jul 2019 #29
Rep. Lofgren demmiblue Jul 2019 #31
She's good irisblue Jul 2019 #33
She did an EXCELLENT job. PA Democrat Jul 2019 #37
Agree. TruckFump Jul 2019 #40
Perfect True Blue American Jul 2019 #92
Why didn't she ask, "with 182 trump campaign Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2019 #213
Lol... I feel my blood pressure going down listening to her. demmiblue Jul 2019 #41
As a note about Zoe Lofgren - she was a staffer on the Judiciary Committee during Watergate BumRushDaShow Jul 2019 #39
cool note NewJeffCT Jul 2019 #102
"Trimp". Lol Roland99 Jul 2019 #35
!! BumRushDaShow Jul 2019 #46
Collins got him to equate collusion with conspiracy - they'll run with that. polichick Jul 2019 #43
Mueller said no at first, I pray democrats follow up with the conflation uponit7771 Jul 2019 #47
Yes, and it sucks. Habibi Jul 2019 #48
IMO, one of the Dems will fix that. TruckFump Jul 2019 #49
+1 uponit7771 Jul 2019 #53
Just a clue bdamomma Jul 2019 #50
They'll question gish gallop, the one way to fix that is to ask them to talk slow and loud ... uponit7771 Jul 2019 #58
Yup, hate the questioning techniques of the Repubs....... a kennedy Jul 2019 #55
He has hearing issues - may God and the universe bless him today. polichick Jul 2019 #56
Amen Shanti Mama Jul 2019 #61
Yep, I thought so, too. TruckFump Jul 2019 #64
It's not that its the KGOP are question gish galloping by talking really fast ... he can mitigate .. uponit7771 Jul 2019 #75
I thought so. bdamomma Jul 2019 #107
I don't know, but the way these people mumble and rush doesn't help. polichick Jul 2019 #111
Radcliff of Tx is drawing Rw points in blood. irisblue Jul 2019 #57
what the hell is he yapping about. volume 2 is not illegal trueblue2007 Jul 2019 #60
Well put. So unreasonable and disrespectful lostnfound Jul 2019 #73
Whose the Repuke asshole bloviating now? TruckFump Jul 2019 #59
I don't think Ratcliffe knows the meaning of words. Goodheart Jul 2019 #63
What an airhead. TruckFump Jul 2019 #68
Killing time and feeding talking points to the cult. polichick Jul 2019 #66
Guess they Repukes have nothing better. TruckFump Jul 2019 #78
The congressman is monologuing blogslut Jul 2019 #80
Probably trying to get it into the record. calimary Jul 2019 #233
Ratiffe is a huge piece of shit onecaliberal Jul 2019 #62
Did not allow Mueller to respond. True Blue American Jul 2019 #69
That's what they want. Grandstanding, it's all they've got. onecaliberal Jul 2019 #79
Grandstanding and misrepresentation of the report. Pacifist Patriot Jul 2019 #85
What a winer this last puke was. pwb Jul 2019 #67
Wow, so now Mueller had no authority to determine Habibi Jul 2019 #70
"Does your report exonorate the president?" "No". Cetacea Jul 2019 #71
Democrats and Socialists... demmiblue Jul 2019 #72
Republicans bloviate, bully and badger. Democrats ask questions. CousinIT Jul 2019 #74
Mueller sounds drunk. He seems dull. I expected him to be sharper. rainin Jul 2019 #76
KGOP is questioning gish gallop which involves quick questions with with false premises. uponit7771 Jul 2019 #83
They always do that. Andrew McCabe handled it. rainin Jul 2019 #90
Hope he understands the battle he's in, and decides to fight. polichick Jul 2019 #87
I am thinking he has hearing problems. TruckFump Jul 2019 #88
It has to be difficult to be in that position and not hear clearly. I sympathize. rainin Jul 2019 #103
Yes, I agree. nt DesertRat Jul 2019 #169
Comprehension relies on more than ability to "hear" clearly. Backseat Driver Jul 2019 #215
He just cannot hear well. TruckFump Jul 2019 #222
He Sounds Like He Was Drugged.... global1 Jul 2019 #108
It's a terrible look. I'm watching the youtube comments. They are crucifying him. rainin Jul 2019 #152
Some former prosecutors are on Twitter mcar Jul 2019 #150
Do we know if that's why it was delayed from last week? rainin Jul 2019 #155
He agreed to a longer period of questioning mcar Jul 2019 #170
To hell with the DOJ guideline letter, Mueller needs to fight back avebury Jul 2019 #77
Yep - can't carry a rule book before a firing squad. polichick Jul 2019 #93
Ratfink needs to be corrected! FM123 Jul 2019 #82
+1 uponit7771 Jul 2019 #84
+1 demmiblue Jul 2019 #94
For those who cannot watch: Watch Robert Mueller's full opening statement to Congress. demmiblue Jul 2019 #86
Ratcliffe again is trying to destroy Mueller's reputation PA Democrat Jul 2019 #89
GOOD !!! Slow everyone down !!! Do ... NOT ... let them ask fast even dems !!! uponit7771 Jul 2019 #91
Yes, the Dems need to slow down their speech. Pacifist Patriot Jul 2019 #95
+1 uponit7771 Jul 2019 #100
Jeeeeeeee-Bus TruckFump Jul 2019 #96
Sensenbrenner is such a condescending prick. Pacifist Patriot Jul 2019 #101
***GOOD !!! SLOW THEM ALL DOWN !!! *** uponit7771 Jul 2019 #97
Here's that nimrod Senselessbrainer. The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2019 #98
Sensenbrenner is still alive? Who knew. dem4decades Jul 2019 #99
LOL! That was my reaction when he started his condescending line of questioning. Pacifist Patriot Jul 2019 #105
.... BumRushDaShow Jul 2019 #114
He is so obnoxious Sanity Claws Jul 2019 #115
We are fucked !!! SamKnause Jul 2019 #104
I must say I am beginning to wonder if the one week delay... Pacifist Patriot Jul 2019 #109
I expected to be disappointed, but I did not expect Mueller to be totally out of it. SamKnause Jul 2019 #121
Hearing impairment? Pacifist Patriot Jul 2019 #124
NO ... it's a tactic to mitigate the KGOP gish gallop through questioning.... just act like you don' uponit7771 Jul 2019 #112
Disagree, totally disagree. SamKnause Jul 2019 #128
If the task is to counter KGOP talking points you're right, I don't think he know any of them ... uponit7771 Jul 2019 #139
IMO, he's hearing impaired and when they take a break... TruckFump Jul 2019 #113
Don't be ridiculous. He's intentionally slowing down the blather The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2019 #130
Good Lord! Did Mueller do any preparation for the avebury Jul 2019 #106
thank you! berksdem Jul 2019 #117
He's having trouble hearing. polichick Jul 2019 #122
He says bdamomma Jul 2019 #166
Republicans are trying to find loopholes in their interpretation of the Special Counsel statute to PA Democrat Jul 2019 #110
+1 uponit7771 Jul 2019 #118
yeah--the argument is apparently that part 1 clears him and part 2 is illegal fishwax Jul 2019 #120
So you weren't going to indict the President? avebury Jul 2019 #116
His should state that he was ordered to not indict the President. cbdo2007 Jul 2019 #127
+1 uponit7771 Jul 2019 #143
Sensenbrenner is trying to infer obstruction is not impeachable onecaliberal Jul 2019 #119
It's absurd on its face JackInGreen Jul 2019 #131
Yes they fished until they found something. onecaliberal Jul 2019 #134
Cohen should be good. demmiblue Jul 2019 #123
He is! 50 Shades Of Blue Jul 2019 #125
Short and to the point, with a little bit of flair. demmiblue Jul 2019 #129
I wish they were all like that! 50 Shades Of Blue Jul 2019 #132
I do too (Nadler was). demmiblue Jul 2019 #149
I was hoping they'd coordinate like that. 50 Shades Of Blue Jul 2019 #153
He was excellent malaise Jul 2019 #135
He is walking through all of the evidence of obstruction asking for only a yes or no PA Democrat Jul 2019 #140
That was good! demmiblue Jul 2019 #172
Excellent cross-exam! Ponietz Jul 2019 #141
Looks like dems plan is to out the report, not a bad tactic but I think the can still put together uponit7771 Jul 2019 #126
Cohen is reminding him to fight. polichick Jul 2019 #133
The Republicans are steaming rolling Mueller, he was supposed to be like granite. dem4decades Jul 2019 #136
He's not being steamrolled; he's just stuck sitting there while they make speeches. The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2019 #168
Not able to watch live, but do you think at some point there will be a John Dean moment PRETZEL Jul 2019 #174
It's still early. He could get exasperated enough. The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2019 #191
Thanks, PRETZEL Jul 2019 #197
Gohmert is shouting..screaming at Mueller in an unprofessional antagonistic way. Pacifist Patriot Jul 2019 #199
Well, that's Gohmert, doing exactly what Gohmert does. The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2019 #204
I swear JackInGreen Jul 2019 #137
The only way to watch this is to mute the mnhtnbb Jul 2019 #138
Time your bathroom breaks. dem4decades Jul 2019 #144
LOL! I was going to do that, but some of them have turned out to be as amusing Pacifist Patriot Jul 2019 #146
The dude wishes he had Trump's comb over. dem4decades Jul 2019 #148
Chabot is asserting this is retaliation for the Clinton impeachment? Pacifist Patriot Jul 2019 #142
"It's outside my purview." LOL! 50 Shades Of Blue Jul 2019 #145
LOVE THAT! dhol82 Jul 2019 #154
I want that on a coffee mug! 50 Shades Of Blue Jul 2019 #158
Would buy one. dhol82 Jul 2019 #162
Chabot saying fusion GPS Is not in the report like that matters for something. onecaliberal Jul 2019 #147
If the Dems are going to carry the day, someone on their side needs to clear the smoke away from faymer7 Jul 2019 #151
Needs to be stated slowly and clearly! Pacifist Patriot Jul 2019 #156
Hank Johnson is doing a good job. dem4decades Jul 2019 #161
+1 uponit7771 Jul 2019 #165
+1, there needs to be a clean up crew on answers uponit7771 Jul 2019 #159
Remember this is just the first round BumRushDaShow Jul 2019 #179
My congressman is up. Hank Johnson. ecstatic Jul 2019 #157
He is. dem4decades Jul 2019 #164
He's doing good :) fishwax Jul 2019 #171
People are going too fast for him. It's losing effectiveness Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2019 #160
+1, Mueller needs to tell them to talk slow and loud. Keeps the KGOP from question gish gallop... uponit7771 Jul 2019 #163
Why can't nadler say, Do you want to comment? Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2019 #231
Don't know, but it looks like Mueller has got a cadence and is holding both sides to it. That's good uponit7771 Jul 2019 #232
Calm down. Mueller is a bit nervous, when dems are up he's doing fine. onecaliberal Jul 2019 #167
+1, he should keep slowing them down with request for clarification uponit7771 Jul 2019 #176
Chabot's aides are incels Ponietz Jul 2019 #173
Nut job Louie Goehmert is up. PA Democrat Jul 2019 #175
... mcar Jul 2019 #177
One person should say, "you've been cut off, anything you Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2019 #178
Shithead is bloviating now. TruckFump Jul 2019 #180
Starting bdamomma Jul 2019 #181
I guess this is why Mueller did not want to testify? Trump must be loving this.nt helpisontheway Jul 2019 #182
Gohmert the loon. How do we lose to these idiots. dem4decades Jul 2019 #183
Gomert just as idiotic as he was with Hillary. Jack A**! nt napi21 Jul 2019 #209
Because there is evidently a majority of loons allowed to vote in his district. calimary Jul 2019 #236
in the contest for who can be the biggest jerk today, gohmert gonna come on strong fishwax Jul 2019 #184
I saw a very brief flash of anger out of Mueller Lars39 Jul 2019 #188
yeah, I think he's definitely bristling here. fishwax Jul 2019 #196
Damn, this KGOP idiot is stupid. uponit7771 Jul 2019 #185
Gohmert is an ass. That is all. demmiblue Jul 2019 #186
Mute is our friend. Goober is moving his mouth. pwb Jul 2019 #187
Each cult member shows how twisted and unpatriotic they are. polichick Jul 2019 #189
The ASSHOLES are treating Mueller like a hostile witness! MoonRiver Jul 2019 #190
And of course they bring Page and Strzok. Pacifist Patriot Jul 2019 #194
Page & Strzok equals "dozens of staff members who HAYTED the Prezza-deeint." klook Jul 2019 #206
They are evil ratfuckers, who don't give a damn about this country! MoonRiver Jul 2019 #212
Peter Strouk hated Trump. Mueller: Okay. dem4decades Jul 2019 #192
That was horrific. Pacifist Patriot Jul 2019 #195
Mueller is not hip to all the KGOP stupid ass'd talking points. He doesn't know their string of ... uponit7771 Jul 2019 #202
JHC are we never gonna let the man talk??? Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2019 #193
Gomer Gohmert questioning Mueller's credibility Ponietz Jul 2019 #198
That behavior was just disgusting!!!! Pacifist Patriot Jul 2019 #200
Screaming like a madman! DesertRat Jul 2019 #203
Gohmert is a disgusting lying bastard. gademocrat7 Jul 2019 #201
We can call him Gohmert Pyle now donkeypoofed Jul 2019 #207
BAMB !!! Lets go, something impeachment starts NOW !! uponit7771 Jul 2019 #208
Loonie Goobmert School of Law bucolic_frolic Jul 2019 #210
Thread 2 started bdamomma Jul 2019 #214
Is Roby/Alabama Roseanne's sister? Ponietz Jul 2019 #216
Thread 2 DesertRat Jul 2019 #219
This message was self-deleted by its author DesertRat Jul 2019 #229
Why doesn't he have someone help him turn pages for citations? He looks distracted FailureToCommunicate Jul 2019 #223
I'm concerned about that. WinstonSmith4740 Jul 2019 #239
I hope the next Dem that goes after that jerk jordan FM123 Jul 2019 #226
********** 5 minute break now! ******* BumRushDaShow Jul 2019 #228
How can you not proceed with impeachment after this hearing?!? Joe941 Jul 2019 #235
I'm following a bit between work. seems to be going well. Kurt V. Jul 2019 #240
Democrats need to get zentrum Jul 2019 #241
Ted Lieu:The reason again that you did not indict Donald Trump is because of the OLC opinion iluvtennis Jul 2019 #242
Val Demings:Lies by Trump campaign officials and administration officials impeded your investigation iluvtennis Jul 2019 #243

avebury

(10,952 posts)
2. Nadler is off to a good start.
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 08:56 AM
Jul 2019

Yes/No Questions that are like taking a bazooka to Trump's official line as I have been exonerated.

donkeypoofed

(2,187 posts)
3. Is he having trouble talking?!
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 08:57 AM
Jul 2019

His speech is stopping & starting. It appears he's thinking before every single word he says!

honest.abe

(8,685 posts)
11. Im sure he is "thinking before every single word".
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:00 AM
Jul 2019

He is under tremendous pressure. He knows what he says today could dramatically affect the future of this country and the world.

ok_cpu

(2,055 posts)
65. I think we're seeing his reticence to testify
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:13 AM
Jul 2019

he has trouble hearing, knows what is riding on every word, and also knows the republicons are going to gish gallop their baseless conspiracies all over him.

uponit7771

(90,364 posts)
10. ***NOTE*** Republicans will try to "sleep" the jury now !!!
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 08:59 AM
Jul 2019

Sleeping the jury (or whatever its technically called) is putting everyone to sleep by asking mundane shit

rampartc

(5,435 posts)
81. is he really a southerner?
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:15 AM
Jul 2019

I was thinking like like foghorn leghorn …..

I say I say now slow down boy …..

hlthe2b

(102,357 posts)
13. Collins is showing himself to be an absolute d__khead.
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:01 AM
Jul 2019

He's doing himself no favors by being so combative.

spooky3

(34,476 posts)
217. There is a huge range in quality of law schools. Some
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:52 AM
Jul 2019

Are barely accredited and have difficulty placing atudents, but keep admitting students to stay in business.

TruckFump

(5,812 posts)
38. Holy shit.
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:08 AM
Jul 2019

First year new admittee could chew him up and spit him out in a few bites.

Totally unclear and unintelligible, complex and compound questions...and narratives.

uponit7771

(90,364 posts)
23. Republicans are trying to conflate the two so no conspiracy is no collusion when Mueller FIRST ...
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:05 AM
Jul 2019

... said no they're not the same in his answer.

They're technically not the same

You can conspire and not collude and vise versa

Celerity

(43,498 posts)
205. yes, BUT in his own report, Mueller said they were synonymous
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:46 AM
Jul 2019

They scored points there



To the contrary, even as defined in legal dictionaries, collusion is largely synonymous with conspiracy as
that crime is set forth in the general federal conspiracy statute, 18 U.S.C. § 371.
See Black's Law
Dictionary 321 (10th ed. 2014) (collusion is "[a]n agreement to defraud another or to do or obtain
something forbidden by law" 1 Alexander Burrill, A Law Dictionary and Glossary 311 (1871)
("An agreement between two or more persons to defraud another by the forms of law, or to employ
such forms as means of accomplishing some unlawful object." 1 Bouvier 's Law Dictionary 352


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Celerity

(43,498 posts)
218. that was the worst exchange for us so far, Ratcliffe (after calling us Socialists, the asshole) made
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:52 AM
Jul 2019

Mueller look like he was trying to rescind or contradict his own words.

uponit7771

(90,364 posts)
220. Right, but Mueller did and that's a sound bite but it's not a grounded one which sucks ...
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:53 AM
Jul 2019

... I'm praying some dem clears that up!

uponit7771

(90,364 posts)
224. Dems are doing a good job at stringing together OoJ, they're no doubt staying away from ....
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:58 AM
Jul 2019

... collusion or conspiracy.

Dems might have to stat away from the collusion angle to get to OoJ ...

uponit7771

(90,364 posts)
227. Yes she was, It looks like dems are focused on OoJ and are making good hits while the
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 10:04 AM
Jul 2019

... KGOP is focused on discrediting Mueller and they're not putting together a factual string on it.

To the lay person the KGOP looks like they're just talking

angrychair

(8,733 posts)
230. As I understand it
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 10:10 AM
Jul 2019

And as it says in his report, he does not exonerate him on conspiracy but admits that the limits of his mandate and access to witnesses and documentation are so limited that he could not make the conclusion of guilt, as we now understand it, he could not have accused trump of a crime anyway.

ancianita

(36,133 posts)
244. How does the fact of over 200 contacts between Trump's people and Russians stand with the
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 12:38 PM
Jul 2019

concept of collusion?

That number of contacts are not for nothing.

Perhaps more will come up during the House Intelligence Committee hearing.

demmiblue

(36,885 posts)
19. No kidding... and slow the fuck down, asshole.
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:03 AM
Jul 2019

I don't think I can sit through the repugs questioning.

uponit7771

(90,364 posts)
34. +1, Mueller cut a lot of their BS out though ... we'll see. The collusion conspiracy answer is ...
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:07 AM
Jul 2019

... something Red Don will use because Collins was talking too fast.

We'll see on follow up.

global1

(25,270 posts)
18. Collins Is Still Talking Fast And I Think On Purpose....
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:03 AM
Jul 2019

It's hard to follow what he's saying or asking. As such, he's making Mueller look bad.

I'm worried that Trump will use that against Mueller.

mtnsnake

(22,236 posts)
42. Yup, he was trying to trick Mueller into a wrong answer by talking so fast to get to him to
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:08 AM
Jul 2019

answer too quickly. Next time some Repuke asshole tries to trick him about something he said, he should to to the exact page in his report before answering those fuckers.

avebury

(10,952 posts)
21. Collins is chewing up a lot of his time because
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:03 AM
Jul 2019

he is speaking so fast that Mueller has to have him keep repeating his questions.

avebury

(10,952 posts)
44. Mueller should have asked him to slow down so that the everyone (the public included)
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:09 AM
Jul 2019

can understand what Rep. Collins is asking. Kill him with kindness.

Zoonart

(11,878 posts)
30. Thugs are going to all be belligerent and
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:06 AM
Jul 2019

talk quickly and unintelligibly so that they can say that Mueller was/is confused.
The ol' baffle 'em with bullshit ploy.
It won't work.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
213. Why didn't she ask, "with 182 trump campaign
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:49 AM
Jul 2019

Contacts with Russia, how is it humanly possible there was no conspiracy?"

TruckFump

(5,812 posts)
49. IMO, one of the Dems will fix that.
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:10 AM
Jul 2019

There are a lot of former prosecutors on that committee and they know how to rehab a witness.

uponit7771

(90,364 posts)
58. They'll question gish gallop, the one way to fix that is to ask them to talk slow and loud ...
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:12 AM
Jul 2019

... before talking.

Then be quite after saying "I don't understand the question, please speak slower"

a kennedy

(29,706 posts)
55. Yup, hate the questioning techniques of the Repubs.......
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:11 AM
Jul 2019

fast, faster, and blow it out of the chamber with shit questions.

TruckFump

(5,812 posts)
64. Yep, I thought so, too.
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:13 AM
Jul 2019

I am hearing impaired and I know that look when things are not clearly heard.

uponit7771

(90,364 posts)
75. It's not that its the KGOP are question gish galloping by talking really fast ... he can mitigate ..
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:14 AM
Jul 2019

... that by interrupting their cadence and asking them to slow down while talking.

TruckFump

(5,812 posts)
78. Guess they Repukes have nothing better.
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:15 AM
Jul 2019

I am wondering where the REAL lawyers are? (Betting the Dems have those.) Some thoughtful X-exam by a Repuke? It's like none of the Repukes could take the time to read the report and ask REAL questions.

Pacifist Patriot

(24,654 posts)
85. Grandstanding and misrepresentation of the report.
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:17 AM
Jul 2019

I'm actually a little surprised they didn't pull a procedural stunt to try to halt or postpone the hearing at the outset this morning.

Habibi

(3,598 posts)
70. Wow, so now Mueller had no authority to determine
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:14 AM
Jul 2019

whether Trump or anyone was "exonerated" or not? WTF?

CousinIT

(9,257 posts)
74. Republicans bloviate, bully and badger. Democrats ask questions.
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:14 AM
Jul 2019

One of the Repubs has already said: 'Democrat', and 'socialists' <--- there you go. ANYBODY who is at all logical or reasonable would have to consider this highly tinged language as BIASED.

The PROBLEM is, about 40% of Americans are NOT "logical or reasonable". They are instead Republicans.

rainin

(3,011 posts)
76. Mueller sounds drunk. He seems dull. I expected him to be sharper.
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:15 AM
Jul 2019

He sounds out of his league. It's going to be a long day.

rainin

(3,011 posts)
90. They always do that. Andrew McCabe handled it.
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:17 AM
Jul 2019

This doesn't look good for him. He needs to show more confidence even if he has to ask them to slow down.

TruckFump

(5,812 posts)
88. I am thinking he has hearing problems.
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:17 AM
Jul 2019

I see that look on his face. I'm hearing impaired and even with closed caption and the TV volume all the way up, I am having a hard time today. Note that he keeps asking for repeats -- that IMO is often a sign of hearing loss.

rainin

(3,011 posts)
103. It has to be difficult to be in that position and not hear clearly. I sympathize.
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:20 AM
Jul 2019

He needs to do something differently, because he's looking like he's not up to this. The country needs him.

Backseat Driver

(4,394 posts)
215. Comprehension relies on more than ability to "hear" clearly.
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:51 AM
Jul 2019

Such a deficit is a stigmatizing deficit, especially to the elderly, but may be easily correctable to those who are financially capable and psychologically accepting of correcting that deficit that inhibits comprehension; other pathologies are progressive and cannot be improved. Many are far more stigmatizing. Could he be newly (within the past two years) physiologically and functionally mentally unwell?

global1

(25,270 posts)
108. He Sounds Like He Was Drugged....
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:21 AM
Jul 2019

They are making him look like an old fuddy duddy and I'm sure Trump will use that against him.

I hate to even suggest that here but that is the impression I'm getting.

mcar

(42,372 posts)
150. Some former prosecutors are on Twitter
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:33 AM
Jul 2019

saying they believe Mueller is ill. Say there's a big difference in his appearance and demeanor since last time he testified before Congress.

avebury

(10,952 posts)
77. To hell with the DOJ guideline letter, Mueller needs to fight back
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:15 AM
Jul 2019

or the Rethugs are going to roll him. He needs to defend himself, his people and his work.

FM123

(10,054 posts)
82. Ratfink needs to be corrected!
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:16 AM
Jul 2019

I wish there was a designated Dem that was there without specific talking points, but whose job was to follow up repug lies and give Mueller a chance to clear up the lies in the 5 minutes given....

PA Democrat

(13,225 posts)
89. Ratcliffe again is trying to destroy Mueller's reputation
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:17 AM
Jul 2019

by implying that he went outside of his powers as special prosecutor.

Republicans are completely IGNORING the very serious fact that Trump and his people ENABLED and ENCOURAGED Russian interference into our elections.

He ended by making a statement to the effect that the "Democrats and socialists" on the other side of the aisle are trying to deceive the American people.

I think this is a losing strategy.

Pacifist Patriot

(24,654 posts)
95. Yes, the Dems need to slow down their speech.
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:19 AM
Jul 2019

Mueller clearly wants to take great care with his answers.

TruckFump

(5,812 posts)
96. Jeeeeeeee-Bus
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:19 AM
Jul 2019

What's with reading the regs over and over?

The factual findings of the report changes??? Based on a procedural defect???

This is NOT a judicial hearing...gads!!!!!

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,836 posts)
98. Here's that nimrod Senselessbrainer.
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:19 AM
Jul 2019

Think I'll take his five minutes to go to the bathroom and refill my coffee cup.

Sanity Claws

(21,852 posts)
115. He is so obnoxious
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:23 AM
Jul 2019

Where does he think he is going? Does he think he will score points by being so obnoxious to a witness, a decorated veteran?

SamKnause

(13,110 posts)
104. We are fucked !!!
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:20 AM
Jul 2019

Mueller is doing a terrible job.

Does he need hearing aids ?

Is he drunk ?

Is he on drugs ?

Has his mental capacity diminished ?

We are fucked !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Pacifist Patriot

(24,654 posts)
109. I must say I am beginning to wonder if the one week delay...
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:21 AM
Jul 2019

was actually due to health issues. Mueller seems to have aged ten years since May.

SamKnause

(13,110 posts)
121. I expected to be disappointed, but I did not expect Mueller to be totally out of it.
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:25 AM
Jul 2019

I don't know what the hell is going on.

This might get Trump re elected.

uponit7771

(90,364 posts)
112. NO ... it's a tactic to mitigate the KGOP gish gallop through questioning.... just act like you don'
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:22 AM
Jul 2019

... don't understand them or can't hear them.

Even if he's not doing it on purpose it slows everyone down, they're asking too fast and KGOP is injecting false premises.

uponit7771

(90,364 posts)
139. If the task is to counter KGOP talking points you're right, I don't think he know any of them ...
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:29 AM
Jul 2019

... sounds like he's far removed from FAUX News stupidity.

I'm still thinking dems outing the report is going to win the day, I'm pray they put together a string of questioning that answers what's not in the report.

I do think Nadler face mashed them for the most part.

TruckFump

(5,812 posts)
113. IMO, he's hearing impaired and when they take a break...
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:22 AM
Jul 2019

...someone should get him hearing assisted earphones.

Those are usually available in 99% of court rooms and meeting rooms.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,836 posts)
130. Don't be ridiculous. He's intentionally slowing down the blather
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:27 AM
Jul 2019

coming from the GOPers. He's doing fine when he gets decent questions.

berksdem

(595 posts)
117. thank you!
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:24 AM
Jul 2019

Am I the only one that thinks this is absolutely horrible? It feels like Bob just strolled in with no preparation... I hope the tide turns here b/c I don't see any benefit to how this is proceeding.

PA Democrat

(13,225 posts)
110. Republicans are trying to find loopholes in their interpretation of the Special Counsel statute to
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:22 AM
Jul 2019

completely nullify all of the findings by Mueller's team.

avebury

(10,952 posts)
116. So you weren't going to indict the President?
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:23 AM
Jul 2019

Mueller's Response should have been - While he is in office. There is nothing to prevent a President from being indicted once he leaves office if he has committed any crimes.

onecaliberal

(32,894 posts)
119. Sensenbrenner is trying to infer obstruction is not impeachable
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:24 AM
Jul 2019

Because mueller didn’t state it in the report. Because you know only a blow job is impeachable.

JackInGreen

(2,975 posts)
131. It's absurd on its face
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:27 AM
Jul 2019

Starr was instructed to find out whether or not Clinton could be impeached, Mueller was instructed to find evidence of a crime or obstruction of crimes, two very different goals. Starr is also, to be honest, a fucking weasel who would have done anything to please his (R) masters.

demmiblue

(36,885 posts)
149. I do too (Nadler was).
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:32 AM
Jul 2019

Some people are just better with questioning. I wish they would coordinate better, and perhaps give some of their time to the strongest, most impactful Rep.

PA Democrat

(13,225 posts)
140. He is walking through all of the evidence of obstruction asking for only a yes or no
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:29 AM
Jul 2019

response in most cases. This is good.

Cohen asked if the attorney general is the personal consigliere of the president or does he represent all of the American people.

uponit7771

(90,364 posts)
126. Looks like dems plan is to out the report, not a bad tactic but I think the can still put together
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:26 AM
Jul 2019

.. a string for narrative not in the report.

Lets see

PRETZEL

(3,245 posts)
174. Not able to watch live, but do you think at some point there will be a John Dean moment
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:39 AM
Jul 2019

and Mueller will say "Is there a question in there?"

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,836 posts)
191. It's still early. He could get exasperated enough.
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:42 AM
Jul 2019

But the GOPers aren't letting him get a word in edgewise, so he might not even be able to say that.

JackInGreen

(2,975 posts)
137. I swear
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:29 AM
Jul 2019

Give a (R) a camera, they'll take a half hour getting around to the point after grandstanding and making half a dozen points. People ask me why I can be eliminationist, these fuckers are all the reason I need.

Pacifist Patriot

(24,654 posts)
146. LOL! I was going to do that, but some of them have turned out to be as amusing
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:31 AM
Jul 2019

as they are infuriating. Chabot is loony tunes!

Pacifist Patriot

(24,654 posts)
142. Chabot is asserting this is retaliation for the Clinton impeachment?
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:30 AM
Jul 2019

"and that's really all this is about here" Fuck you, Chabot!

 

faymer7

(59 posts)
151. If the Dems are going to carry the day, someone on their side needs to clear the smoke away from
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:33 AM
Jul 2019

all that the GOP has thrown out there. they need to explain that insufficient evididence doe not mean there was no evidence. And they need to explain that you don't need a legal citation to state that a prosecutor "cannot exonerate" a person. They need to explain that no finding of guilty does not mean you are innocent

BumRushDaShow

(129,442 posts)
179. Remember this is just the first round
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:39 AM
Jul 2019

and each member has the explicit questions they planned to ask that must be asked. "Cleanup" can come later.

uponit7771

(90,364 posts)
163. +1, Mueller needs to tell them to talk slow and loud. Keeps the KGOP from question gish gallop...
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:36 AM
Jul 2019

... and steam rolling for answers.

onecaliberal

(32,894 posts)
167. Calm down. Mueller is a bit nervous, when dems are up he's doing fine.
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:37 AM
Jul 2019

Wild fucking hyenas are on the right. Talking fast and expecting g mueller to know every syllable in his report in two seconds. He’s simply trying to find the citations to answer correctly.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
190. The ASSHOLES are treating Mueller like a hostile witness!
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:42 AM
Jul 2019

They are showing absolutely NO respect for his impeccable career. Now Goumert asked for a hit piece on Mueller to be entered into the record.

uponit7771

(90,364 posts)
202. Mueller is not hip to all the KGOP stupid ass'd talking points. He doesn't know their string of ...
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:45 AM
Jul 2019

... stupid premises.

That might be a good thing in the end ... hopefully

Ponietz

(3,004 posts)
198. Gomer Gohmert questioning Mueller's credibility
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:44 AM
Jul 2019

Appalling ignorance, arrogance, animus...screaming at him.

donkeypoofed

(2,187 posts)
207. We can call him Gohmert Pyle now
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:48 AM
Jul 2019

What a dummy dumbass. I'm embarrassed for him because he doesn't know enough to be.

Response to DesertRat (Reply #219)

FailureToCommunicate

(14,020 posts)
223. Why doesn't he have someone help him turn pages for citations? He looks distracted
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:57 AM
Jul 2019

and, to the rapid fire questions of Rebubs, he appears a bit halting and dithering.

No good optics.

WinstonSmith4740

(3,056 posts)
239. I'm concerned about that.
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 11:37 AM
Jul 2019

Don't know if he's having a problem hearing, or what is going on. The people questioning him seem to have to tell him where they're sitting, and he seems to be going back and forth between confused and sharp as hell.

And the Rethugs are assholes.

FM123

(10,054 posts)
226. I hope the next Dem that goes after that jerk jordan
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 10:04 AM
Jul 2019

is assigned the task of taking him down BEFORE they start questioning Mueller. They know in advance the crap jordan spews.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
241. Democrats need to get
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 11:56 AM
Jul 2019

...back in detail to the 37 indictments. Over and over.

And ask how is it that 7 of them who were on the campaign don't prove collusion?

Over and over.

iluvtennis

(19,871 posts)
242. Ted Lieu:The reason again that you did not indict Donald Trump is because of the OLC opinion
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 11:56 AM
Jul 2019

@RepTedLieu
: "The reason again that you did not indict Donald Trump is because of the OLC opinion stating that you cannot indict a sitting President, correct?"

Mueller: "That is correct.

#MuellerHearings #MuellerReport



iluvtennis

(19,871 posts)
243. Val Demings:Lies by Trump campaign officials and administration officials impeded your investigation
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 11:59 AM
Jul 2019

Good Morning America
@GMA
.
@RepValDemings
: "Lies by Trump campaign officials and administration officials impeded your investigation."

Mueller: "I would generally agree with that."

#MuellerHearings
(link: http://gma.abc/2M989SA) gma.abc/2M989SA



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