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I's starting this thread, if there is another duplicate thread I will delete.
sinkingfeeling
(51,473 posts)avebury
(10,952 posts)Yes/No Questions that are like taking a bazooka to Trump's official line as I have been exonerated.
Peregrine Took
(7,417 posts)This is the old Gerry Nadler - locked and loaded for bear.
True Blue American
(17,988 posts)donkeypoofed
(2,187 posts)His speech is stopping & starting. It appears he's thinking before every single word he says!
blogslut
(38,016 posts)honest.abe
(8,685 posts)He is under tremendous pressure. He knows what he says today could dramatically affect the future of this country and the world.
ok_cpu
(2,055 posts)he has trouble hearing, knows what is riding on every word, and also knows the republicons are going to gish gallop their baseless conspiracies all over him.
BumRushDaShow
(129,442 posts)blogslut
(38,016 posts)TruckFump
(5,812 posts)Excellent examination.
llmart
(15,552 posts)Good start! Mueller is nervous.
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)Sleeping the jury (or whatever its technically called) is putting everyone to sleep by asking mundane shit
Beringia
(4,316 posts)rampartc
(5,435 posts)I was thinking like like foghorn leghorn
..
I say I say now slow down boy
..
hlthe2b
(102,357 posts)He's doing himself no favors by being so combative.
TruckFump
(5,812 posts)What an idiot. He has no clue what he is talking about.
hlthe2b
(102,357 posts)stopbush
(24,396 posts)spooky3
(34,476 posts)Are barely accredited and have difficulty placing atudents, but keep admitting students to stay in business.
TruckFump
(5,812 posts)First year new admittee could chew him up and spit him out in a few bites.
Totally unclear and unintelligible, complex and compound questions...and narratives.
True Blue American
(17,988 posts)Republicans ran the House.
Another BH refusing to let Mueller answer!
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)honest.abe
(8,685 posts)Thanks!
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)... said no they're not the same in his answer.
They're technically not the same
You can conspire and not collude and vise versa
honest.abe
(8,685 posts)Celerity
(43,498 posts)They scored points there
that crime is set forth in the general federal conspiracy statute, 18 U.S.C. § 371. See Black's Law
Dictionary 321 (10th ed. 2014) (collusion is "[a]n agreement to defraud another or to do or obtain
something forbidden by law" 1 Alexander Burrill, A Law Dictionary and Glossary 311 (1871)
("An agreement between two or more persons to defraud another by the forms of law, or to employ
such forms as means of accomplishing some unlawful object." 1 Bouvier 's Law Dictionary 352
Page 180
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)Celerity
(43,498 posts)Mueller look like he was trying to rescind or contradict his own words.
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)... I'm praying some dem clears that up!
Celerity
(43,498 posts)uponit7771
(90,364 posts)... collusion or conspiracy.
Dems might have to stat away from the collusion angle to get to OoJ ...
Celerity
(43,498 posts)uponit7771
(90,364 posts)... KGOP is focused on discrediting Mueller and they're not putting together a factual string on it.
To the lay person the KGOP looks like they're just talking
angrychair
(8,733 posts)And as it says in his report, he does not exonerate him on conspiracy but admits that the limits of his mandate and access to witnesses and documentation are so limited that he could not make the conclusion of guilt, as we now understand it, he could not have accused trump of a crime anyway.
ancianita
(36,133 posts)concept of collusion?
That number of contacts are not for nothing.
Perhaps more will come up during the House Intelligence Committee hearing.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)uponit7771
(90,364 posts)bdamomma
(63,922 posts)Collins is being confrontational.
demmiblue
(36,885 posts)I don't think I can sit through the repugs questioning.
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)barbtries
(28,811 posts)it's just too frustrating.
demmiblue
(36,885 posts)barbtries
(28,811 posts)he's probably slapping himself in the face for that.
Pacifist Patriot
(24,654 posts)dewsgirl
(14,961 posts)uponit7771
(90,364 posts)... something Red Don will use because Collins was talking too fast.
We'll see on follow up.
global1
(25,270 posts)It's hard to follow what he's saying or asking. As such, he's making Mueller look bad.
I'm worried that Trump will use that against Mueller.
mtnsnake
(22,236 posts)answer too quickly. Next time some Repuke asshole tries to trick him about something he said, he should to to the exact page in his report before answering those fuckers.
avebury
(10,952 posts)he is speaking so fast that Mueller has to have him keep repeating his questions.
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)avebury
(10,952 posts)can understand what Rep. Collins is asking. Kill him with kindness.
Zoonart
(11,878 posts)talk quickly and unintelligibly so that they can say that Mueller was/is confused.
The ol' baffle 'em with bullshit ploy.
It won't work.
Roland99
(53,342 posts)irisblue
(33,023 posts)uponit7771
(90,364 posts)demmiblue
(36,885 posts)irisblue
(33,023 posts)PA Democrat
(13,225 posts)TruckFump
(5,812 posts)Soft and reasonable and easy to follow.
True Blue American
(17,988 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Contacts with Russia, how is it humanly possible there was no conspiracy?"
demmiblue
(36,885 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,442 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,829 posts)thanks for letting us know
Roland99
(53,342 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,442 posts)(spat out too)
polichick
(37,152 posts)uponit7771
(90,364 posts)Habibi
(3,598 posts)TruckFump
(5,812 posts)There are a lot of former prosecutors on that committee and they know how to rehab a witness.
bdamomma
(63,922 posts)Repigs will be confrontational and smug.
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)... before talking.
Then be quite after saying "I don't understand the question, please speak slower"
a kennedy
(29,706 posts)fast, faster, and blow it out of the chamber with shit questions.
polichick
(37,152 posts)Shanti Mama
(1,288 posts)TruckFump
(5,812 posts)I am hearing impaired and I know that look when things are not clearly heard.
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)... that by interrupting their cadence and asking them to slow down while talking.
bdamomma
(63,922 posts)Does he have a hearing aid
polichick
(37,152 posts)irisblue
(33,023 posts)trueblue2007
(17,238 posts)lostnfound
(16,189 posts)TruckFump
(5,812 posts)Goodheart
(5,339 posts)TruckFump
(5,812 posts)Speachifying and not asking questions.
polichick
(37,152 posts)TruckFump
(5,812 posts)I am wondering where the REAL lawyers are? (Betting the Dems have those.) Some thoughtful X-exam by a Repuke? It's like none of the Repukes could take the time to read the report and ask REAL questions.
blogslut
(38,016 posts)We're going to see a lot of that today from the GOP
calimary
(81,466 posts)onecaliberal
(32,894 posts)True Blue American
(17,988 posts)onecaliberal
(32,894 posts)Pacifist Patriot
(24,654 posts)I'm actually a little surprised they didn't pull a procedural stunt to try to halt or postpone the hearing at the outset this morning.
pwb
(11,287 posts).
Habibi
(3,598 posts)whether Trump or anyone was "exonerated" or not? WTF?
Cetacea
(7,367 posts)demmiblue
(36,885 posts)CousinIT
(9,257 posts)One of the Repubs has already said: 'Democrat', and 'socialists' <--- there you go. ANYBODY who is at all logical or reasonable would have to consider this highly tinged language as BIASED.
The PROBLEM is, about 40% of Americans are NOT "logical or reasonable". They are instead Republicans.
rainin
(3,011 posts)He sounds out of his league. It's going to be a long day.
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)rainin
(3,011 posts)This doesn't look good for him. He needs to show more confidence even if he has to ask them to slow down.
polichick
(37,152 posts)TruckFump
(5,812 posts)I see that look on his face. I'm hearing impaired and even with closed caption and the TV volume all the way up, I am having a hard time today. Note that he keeps asking for repeats -- that IMO is often a sign of hearing loss.
rainin
(3,011 posts)He needs to do something differently, because he's looking like he's not up to this. The country needs him.
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)Backseat Driver
(4,394 posts)Such a deficit is a stigmatizing deficit, especially to the elderly, but may be easily correctable to those who are financially capable and psychologically accepting of correcting that deficit that inhibits comprehension; other pathologies are progressive and cannot be improved. Many are far more stigmatizing. Could he be newly (within the past two years) physiologically and functionally mentally unwell?
TruckFump
(5,812 posts)Remember...he was a combat vet and he is now 75 years old.
global1
(25,270 posts)They are making him look like an old fuddy duddy and I'm sure Trump will use that against him.
I hate to even suggest that here but that is the impression I'm getting.
rainin
(3,011 posts)mcar
(42,372 posts)saying they believe Mueller is ill. Say there's a big difference in his appearance and demeanor since last time he testified before Congress.
rainin
(3,011 posts)I don't remember hearing a reason.
mcar
(42,372 posts)In exchange for the week's delay.
avebury
(10,952 posts)or the Rethugs are going to roll him. He needs to defend himself, his people and his work.
polichick
(37,152 posts)FM123
(10,054 posts)I wish there was a designated Dem that was there without specific talking points, but whose job was to follow up repug lies and give Mueller a chance to clear up the lies in the 5 minutes given....
demmiblue
(36,885 posts)PA Democrat
(13,225 posts)by implying that he went outside of his powers as special prosecutor.
Republicans are completely IGNORING the very serious fact that Trump and his people ENABLED and ENCOURAGED Russian interference into our elections.
He ended by making a statement to the effect that the "Democrats and socialists" on the other side of the aisle are trying to deceive the American people.
I think this is a losing strategy.
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)Pacifist Patriot
(24,654 posts)Mueller clearly wants to take great care with his answers.
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)TruckFump
(5,812 posts)What's with reading the regs over and over?
The factual findings of the report changes??? Based on a procedural defect???
This is NOT a judicial hearing...gads!!!!!
Pacifist Patriot
(24,654 posts)uponit7771
(90,364 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,836 posts)Think I'll take his five minutes to go to the bathroom and refill my coffee cup.
dem4decades
(11,304 posts)Pacifist Patriot
(24,654 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,442 posts)Sanity Claws
(21,852 posts)Where does he think he is going? Does he think he will score points by being so obnoxious to a witness, a decorated veteran?
SamKnause
(13,110 posts)Mueller is doing a terrible job.
Does he need hearing aids ?
Is he drunk ?
Is he on drugs ?
Has his mental capacity diminished ?
We are fucked !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Pacifist Patriot
(24,654 posts)was actually due to health issues. Mueller seems to have aged ten years since May.
SamKnause
(13,110 posts)I don't know what the hell is going on.
This might get Trump re elected.
Pacifist Patriot
(24,654 posts)uponit7771
(90,364 posts)... don't understand them or can't hear them.
Even if he's not doing it on purpose it slows everyone down, they're asking too fast and KGOP is injecting false premises.
SamKnause
(13,110 posts)Mueller is not up to the task.
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)... sounds like he's far removed from FAUX News stupidity.
I'm still thinking dems outing the report is going to win the day, I'm pray they put together a string of questioning that answers what's not in the report.
I do think Nadler face mashed them for the most part.
TruckFump
(5,812 posts)...someone should get him hearing assisted earphones.
Those are usually available in 99% of court rooms and meeting rooms.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,836 posts)coming from the GOPers. He's doing fine when he gets decent questions.
avebury
(10,952 posts)hearings today? Is seems like he didn't.
berksdem
(595 posts)Am I the only one that thinks this is absolutely horrible? It feels like Bob just strolled in with no preparation... I hope the tide turns here b/c I don't see any benefit to how this is proceeding.
polichick
(37,152 posts)bdamomma
(63,922 posts)refer to the report.
This is all for those American people who are not paying attention.
PA Democrat
(13,225 posts)completely nullify all of the findings by Mueller's team.
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)fishwax
(29,149 posts)avebury
(10,952 posts)Mueller's Response should have been - While he is in office. There is nothing to prevent a President from being indicted once he leaves office if he has committed any crimes.
cbdo2007
(9,213 posts)uponit7771
(90,364 posts)onecaliberal
(32,894 posts)Because mueller didnt state it in the report. Because you know only a blow job is impeachable.
JackInGreen
(2,975 posts)Starr was instructed to find out whether or not Clinton could be impeached, Mueller was instructed to find evidence of a crime or obstruction of crimes, two very different goals. Starr is also, to be honest, a fucking weasel who would have done anything to please his (R) masters.
onecaliberal
(32,894 posts)demmiblue
(36,885 posts)50 Shades Of Blue
(10,043 posts)demmiblue
(36,885 posts)50 Shades Of Blue
(10,043 posts)demmiblue
(36,885 posts)Some people are just better with questioning. I wish they would coordinate better, and perhaps give some of their time to the strongest, most impactful Rep.
50 Shades Of Blue
(10,043 posts)malaise
(269,157 posts)Loved it
PA Democrat
(13,225 posts)response in most cases. This is good.
Cohen asked if the attorney general is the personal consigliere of the president or does he represent all of the American people.
demmiblue
(36,885 posts)Ponietz
(3,004 posts)uponit7771
(90,364 posts).. a string for narrative not in the report.
Lets see
polichick
(37,152 posts)dem4decades
(11,304 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,836 posts)PRETZEL
(3,245 posts)and Mueller will say "Is there a question in there?"
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,836 posts)But the GOPers aren't letting him get a word in edgewise, so he might not even be able to say that.
PRETZEL
(3,245 posts)Hope that happens eventually
Pacifist Patriot
(24,654 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,836 posts)JackInGreen
(2,975 posts)Give a (R) a camera, they'll take a half hour getting around to the point after grandstanding and making half a dozen points. People ask me why I can be eliminationist, these fuckers are all the reason I need.
mnhtnbb
(31,402 posts)Republicans.
dem4decades
(11,304 posts)Pacifist Patriot
(24,654 posts)as they are infuriating. Chabot is loony tunes!
dem4decades
(11,304 posts)Pacifist Patriot
(24,654 posts)"and that's really all this is about here" Fuck you, Chabot!
50 Shades Of Blue
(10,043 posts)dhol82
(9,353 posts)50 Shades Of Blue
(10,043 posts)(Drinking coffee from my IMPEACHMENT NOW mug right now!)
dhol82
(9,353 posts)onecaliberal
(32,894 posts)faymer7
(59 posts)all that the GOP has thrown out there. they need to explain that insufficient evididence doe not mean there was no evidence. And they need to explain that you don't need a legal citation to state that a prosecutor "cannot exonerate" a person. They need to explain that no finding of guilty does not mean you are innocent
Pacifist Patriot
(24,654 posts)dem4decades
(11,304 posts)uponit7771
(90,364 posts)uponit7771
(90,364 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,442 posts)and each member has the explicit questions they planned to ask that must be asked. "Cleanup" can come later.
ecstatic
(32,731 posts)Please make us proud!
dem4decades
(11,304 posts)fishwax
(29,149 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)On both sides
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)... and steam rolling for answers.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)uponit7771
(90,364 posts)onecaliberal
(32,894 posts)Wild fucking hyenas are on the right. Talking fast and expecting g mueller to know every syllable in his report in two seconds. Hes simply trying to find the citations to answer correctly.
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)Ponietz
(3,004 posts)Not one relevant question Mueller could answer. Piece of ratfucking shit.
PA Democrat
(13,225 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)want to say? "
TruckFump
(5,812 posts)bdamomma
(63,922 posts)Thread 2
helpisontheway
(5,008 posts)dem4decades
(11,304 posts)napi21
(45,806 posts)calimary
(81,466 posts)fishwax
(29,149 posts)Lars39
(26,116 posts)when Gohmert questioned his credibility.
fishwax
(29,149 posts)uponit7771
(90,364 posts)demmiblue
(36,885 posts)pwb
(11,287 posts).
polichick
(37,152 posts)MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)They are showing absolutely NO respect for his impeccable career. Now Goumert asked for a hit piece on Mueller to be entered into the record.
Pacifist Patriot
(24,654 posts)Holy fuck this line of questioning is hideous.
klook
(12,165 posts)MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)dem4decades
(11,304 posts)Pacifist Patriot
(24,654 posts)uponit7771
(90,364 posts)... stupid premises.
That might be a good thing in the end ... hopefully
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Ponietz
(3,004 posts)Appalling ignorance, arrogance, animus...screaming at him.
Pacifist Patriot
(24,654 posts)DesertRat
(27,995 posts)gademocrat7
(10,667 posts)donkeypoofed
(2,187 posts)What a dummy dumbass. I'm embarrassed for him because he doesn't know enough to be.
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)bucolic_frolic
(43,281 posts)"Officer, you're obstructing justice because I think I'm innocent!"
bdamomma
(63,922 posts)nt
Ponietz
(3,004 posts)DesertRat
(27,995 posts)Response to DesertRat (Reply #219)
DesertRat This message was self-deleted by its author.
FailureToCommunicate
(14,020 posts)and, to the rapid fire questions of Rebubs, he appears a bit halting and dithering.
No good optics.
WinstonSmith4740
(3,056 posts)Don't know if he's having a problem hearing, or what is going on. The people questioning him seem to have to tell him where they're sitting, and he seems to be going back and forth between confused and sharp as hell.
And the Rethugs are assholes.
FM123
(10,054 posts)is assigned the task of taking him down BEFORE they start questioning Mueller. They know in advance the crap jordan spews.
BumRushDaShow
(129,442 posts)Joe941
(2,848 posts)It is so obvious.
Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)zentrum
(9,865 posts)...back in detail to the 37 indictments. Over and over.
And ask how is it that 7 of them who were on the campaign don't prove collusion?
Over and over.
iluvtennis
(19,871 posts)@RepTedLieu
: "The reason again that you did not indict Donald Trump is because of the OLC opinion stating that you cannot indict a sitting President, correct?"
Mueller: "That is correct.
#MuellerHearings #MuellerReport
Link to tweet
iluvtennis
(19,871 posts)Good Morning America
@GMA
.
@RepValDemings
: "Lies by Trump campaign officials and administration officials impeded your investigation."
Mueller: "I would generally agree with that."
#MuellerHearings
(link: http://gma.abc/2M989SA) gma.abc/2M989SA
Link to tweet