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****INTELLIGENCE HEARING THREAD 2**** (Original Post) Lars39 Jul 2019 OP
Missed who's up Lars39 Jul 2019 #1
Mike Quigley. GoCubsGo Jul 2019 #2
Thanks! Lars39 Jul 2019 #5
Mike Quigley did a great job for those hearing all this for the first time. Efilroft Sul Jul 2019 #29
Mike Quigley phatkatt Jul 2019 #3
Trump Tower again...on to WikiLeaks Lars39 Jul 2019 #4
Tying Trump to WikiLeaks Lars39 Jul 2019 #6
Mueller should have pointed out the fact that there is a possibility that avebury Jul 2019 #7
I agree. n/t rzemanfl Jul 2019 #11
When will someone ask a question to the deputy? Vdizzle Jul 2019 #8
Schiff up...mueller...WikiLeaks role needs investigation Lars39 Jul 2019 #9
Rick Crawford up Lars39 Jul 2019 #10
Could Trump Jr now be at risk for investigation for his avebury Jul 2019 #12
Nunes is up again Lars39 Jul 2019 #13
Jeezus, they are obsessed with Peter Strok, aren't they? GoCubsGo Jul 2019 #14
That's all you hear on talk radio underpants Jul 2019 #17
like with Hillary's emails, it's all they've got Skittles Jul 2019 #132
Explaining Fusion GPS to Mueller Lars39 Jul 2019 #15
Nunes....argh Lars39 Jul 2019 #16
****Recess for 5-10 minutes **** Lars39 Jul 2019 #18
**** 5 MINUTE BREAK **** BumRushDaShow Jul 2019 #19
I'm muting the repigs bdamomma Jul 2019 #20
They just flat out wear me out, then Schiff pops up Lars39 Jul 2019 #21
Chuck Todd is talking again. Changing the channel. ( no cable ) Tech Jul 2019 #22
I've stuck with abc. Lars39 Jul 2019 #24
Even MSNBC noted the difference in tone in comparrison to this AM & the Judicial napi21 Jul 2019 #23
I think he'd rather an unanesthetized root canal. Pacifist Patriot Jul 2019 #31
abc commentators having an interesting conversation right now Lars39 Jul 2019 #25
*** ABOUT TO START AGAIN *** BumRushDaShow Jul 2019 #26
Mueller reseated....it's starting Lars39 Jul 2019 #27
Eric Swalwell is up Lars39 Jul 2019 #28
Love that chart Lars39 Jul 2019 #30
Exceptional graphics Pacifist Patriot Jul 2019 #32
Investigation hampered by encryption and deletion, Lars39 Jul 2019 #33
Elise Stefanik is up Lars39 Jul 2019 #34
I just cannot wrap my brain around a female Republican. Pacifist Patriot Jul 2019 #35
Power hungry is all I can figure Lars39 Jul 2019 #36
I can't figure out how she missed essme Jul 2019 #38
And she said as much. She knew damn well what she was doing. Pacifist Patriot Jul 2019 #43
Racism drives many of them RAB910 Jul 2019 #45
My husband, who is not political, is watching this. He is giggling about how Politicub Jul 2019 #37
She's relentless on the dossier knowing damn well he's not going to say a word. Pacifist Patriot Jul 2019 #40
She was inept Lars39 Jul 2019 #42
They really, seriously do not understand essme Jul 2019 #50
Oh they know. They want tape Fox can run that will make him look uncooperative. Pacifist Patriot Jul 2019 #60
Nunes is up again...Clinton's emails sigh Lars39 Jul 2019 #39
I'm glad I don't have her emails on my Bingo card. I'm not big into day drinking. Pacifist Patriot Jul 2019 #44
Would have been drunk long ago lol Lars39 Jul 2019 #46
Again with Nunes and the emails! Gidney N Cloyd Jul 2019 #48
Throwing red meat to the base Lars39 Jul 2019 #52
Like Nicole Wallace just said, they're not trying to make sense, they're just tossing crap out there Gidney N Cloyd Jul 2019 #55
Nunes is a treasonous bastard. gademocrat7 Jul 2019 #41
And he's inserting new names to deflect from Trump's guilt Politicub Jul 2019 #47
Nunes was struggling to score points on that last exchange. He struck out. PA Democrat Jul 2019 #51
Joaquin Castro is up Lars39 Jul 2019 #49
His party line questions are smart. Illustrates the obstruction. Politicub Jul 2019 #56
Devin Nunes just deep sighed dweller Jul 2019 #53
I think he may be trying to express disdain and disbelief, but it just comes across as frustrated. Pacifist Patriot Jul 2019 #62
Either the Xanax is starting to work, or the afternoon is going better. Tech Jul 2019 #54
Joaquin is good...fleshing it out Lars39 Jul 2019 #57
Yes, tho finally disappointed; elleng Jul 2019 #59
Will Hurd is up Lars39 Jul 2019 #58
OMG!!!!!! He is the first Republican who actually PA Democrat Jul 2019 #64
Nope, he's the first Lars39 Jul 2019 #65
He's asking very good questions. Pacifist Patriot Jul 2019 #67
For power probably. cstanleytech Jul 2019 #133
Will Hurd has always seemed like a principled man. madaboutharry Jul 2019 #70
Whats his entire voting record been like though? Has he voted lock step when his bosses demanded cstanleytech Jul 2019 #134
Is it possible that Mislik ? (not sure of the name) phylny Jul 2019 #61
Or just part of ongoing investigation maybe Lars39 Jul 2019 #63
Much better Sunsky Jul 2019 #66
Doing it as I sit here and will do it in the next campaign (Russians interfering) Lars39 Jul 2019 #68
I would have liked Heck to support Hurd's line of questioning before... Pacifist Patriot Jul 2019 #71
He let Muellers statement sink in a bit for effect imo. As he should have. Lars39 Jul 2019 #72
Denny Heck is up Lars39 Jul 2019 #69
Ratcliffe thanked Mueller then handed it to Nunes Lars39 Jul 2019 #73
Like Nunes would understand the operation of the FBI Politicub Jul 2019 #75
Throwing in the towel TheRealNorth Jul 2019 #76
He seems inclined to add bits to cushion the blows against the admin... polichick Jul 2019 #74
Nunes is laying out the next twelve months of bullshit the GOP will use to distract from Trump Politicub Jul 2019 #77
Nunes is a pathological liar. gademocrat7 Jul 2019 #81
He's a complete sociopath. Dead inside. Politicub Jul 2019 #83
Peter Welch is up Lars39 Jul 2019 #78
and good. elleng Jul 2019 #79
Yes! Lars39 Jul 2019 #80
This is his first term on the committee I think. He's great. Politicub Jul 2019 #82
Eliciting LOTS of useful statements. elleng Jul 2019 #84
Yes! He's getting to the heart of the matter of defending our elections from interference Politicub Jul 2019 #85
Welch is asking very good questions. gademocrat7 Jul 2019 #86
Maloney is up Lars39 Jul 2019 #87
Trump tried every way possible to stand in the way of a subpoena Politicub Jul 2019 #92
Mueller to Welch: "I hope this is not the new 'normal' but I fear it is" Ponietz Jul 2019 #88
Chilling Pacifist Patriot Jul 2019 #89
Thanks for catching that. elleng Jul 2019 #90
And his advice, ending with using resources Lars39 Jul 2019 #91
Val Deming is up...were presidents answers under oath? Yes Lars39 Jul 2019 #93
And Mueller wouldn't clear the president on whether his answers were credible. Politicub Jul 2019 #96
Implication is Trump lied about having advance knowledge of wikileaks. Politicub Jul 2019 #97
Demmings -- great follow up... "What did you find that went to the president's credibility?" Politicub Jul 2019 #94
Maloney 👍🏻 dweller Jul 2019 #95
Demings keeps coming back to President not being credible Midnightwalk Jul 2019 #98
Yes...very damning Lars39 Jul 2019 #99
Touching on money laundering, tax returns Lars39 Jul 2019 #100
Nunes is up again Lars39 Jul 2019 #101
Ongoing counter intelligence investigations? Midnightwalk Jul 2019 #102
*** FINAL STATEMENTS NOW *** BumRushDaShow Jul 2019 #103
Watching on C-Span and impressed with Democratic members' live Tweets Ponietz Jul 2019 #104
Schiff is up again! Lars39 Jul 2019 #105
Nunes had 5 mins dweller Jul 2019 #106
Gotta go milk the cows? Lars39 Jul 2019 #107
I was shocked he declined to get in some parting shots. Pacifist Patriot Jul 2019 #112
I'll bet he's one of the targets Midnightwalk Jul 2019 #125
Wish Schiff could have asked all the dem questions Satch59 Jul 2019 #108
He is masterful. PA Democrat Jul 2019 #109
I think the Dems are carefully leading to Impeachment essme Jul 2019 #110
Brilliant close. Pacifist Patriot Jul 2019 #111
I hope his final remarks get pickup in the MSM Politicub Jul 2019 #113
**** DONE **** BumRushDaShow Jul 2019 #114
Whew! And Muller didn't even break into that water bottle :-) Lars39 Jul 2019 #116
That's true! BumRushDaShow Jul 2019 #123
He is emphasizing the areas that Mueller's investigation did not cover PA Democrat Jul 2019 #115
His statement plus Mueller testimonypaint a picture of a president who is a clear and present danger Politicub Jul 2019 #118
I'm drained. blogslut Jul 2019 #117
Adam Schiff MFing asskicker jcgoldie Jul 2019 #119
Yes indeed! Lars39 Jul 2019 #120
+1 - an American hero! Politicub Jul 2019 #121
Lars39, thanks for the threads! IcyPeas Jul 2019 #122
My pleasure...And many thanks to bdmomma also Lars39 Jul 2019 #124
Thank you, Lars39. gademocrat7 Jul 2019 #127
Thanks to Lars and bdamomma! PA Democrat Jul 2019 #129
Adam Schiff was outstanding! DeminPennswoods Jul 2019 #126
Agreed. Nunes didn't even make a closing statement. PA Democrat Jul 2019 #128
Nunes really looked glum DeminPennswoods Jul 2019 #130
Rep. Sean Patrick Maloney: "What did you think of the president's written responses? iluvtennis Jul 2019 #131

Efilroft Sul

(3,581 posts)
29. Mike Quigley did a great job for those hearing all this for the first time.
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 02:29 PM
Jul 2019

He got Mueller to admit that WikiLeaks is a hostile entity to the United States, then got a follow-up opinion from Mueller regarding Trump's praise for Wikileaks, saying something like to call that praise problematic is an understatement. That could resonate with the public at large.

avebury

(10,952 posts)
7. Mueller should have pointed out the fact that there is a possibility that
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 02:08 PM
Jul 2019

someone in Barr's office could have leaked his memo to Barr.

underpants

(182,879 posts)
17. That's all you hear on talk radio
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 02:13 PM
Jul 2019

Gaetz (from the morning hearing) is the epitome of just reading the script but they all do it. Lack of original thought plus they are speaking to their constituent choir. Oh and it gets them on TV.

bdamomma

(63,922 posts)
20. I'm muting the repigs
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 02:16 PM
Jul 2019

they just want to pile up on Mueller. Again, this is for the American people to digest and realize that this POS squatting in the WH is a big fake. How can they stick up for this POS, who condemns women, is locking up children, assaults women, has ties with a pedophile Jeffrey Epstein, giving an okay to adversary that interfered with our election and of course may do it again.

Lars39

(26,116 posts)
24. I've stuck with abc.
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 02:21 PM
Jul 2019

The point made to Christie is that the a Republicans haven’t even addressed the Russians interfering in elections. Christie isaying this will hurt the Republicans.

napi21

(45,806 posts)
23. Even MSNBC noted the difference in tone in comparrison to this AM & the Judicial
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 02:19 PM
Jul 2019

Committee. It's obvious to me why Mueller didn't want to do this!

Lars39

(26,116 posts)
33. Investigation hampered by encryption and deletion,
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 02:31 PM
Jul 2019

And inaccessible because of attorney client privilege

essme

(1,207 posts)
38. I can't figure out how she missed
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 02:36 PM
Jul 2019

that Mueller will NOT be discussing the Steele Dossier. She's trying to make it look as if he is refusing to cooperate. Fox news fodder was all that was- a total waste of time.

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
37. My husband, who is not political, is watching this. He is giggling about how
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 02:36 PM
Jul 2019

Mueller keeps shutting republicans down.

Especially Elise Stefanlk

He’s my barometer about what piques the interest of the general public.

essme

(1,207 posts)
50. They really, seriously do not understand
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 02:38 PM
Jul 2019

that he will not answer questions about the Steele dossier.

Gidney N Cloyd

(19,847 posts)
55. Like Nicole Wallace just said, they're not trying to make sense, they're just tossing crap out there
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 02:41 PM
Jul 2019

Tech

(1,772 posts)
54. Either the Xanax is starting to work, or the afternoon is going better.
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 02:40 PM
Jul 2019

I laugh Every time Nunes sighs. I am not sure that is the effect he is going for.

One observation, for being so pro military, I have only heard democrats thanking and acknowledging his military service.

PA Democrat

(13,225 posts)
64. OMG!!!!!! He is the first Republican who actually
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 02:46 PM
Jul 2019

addressed prevention of future election interference!

Or did I miss it?

madaboutharry

(40,220 posts)
70. Will Hurd has always seemed like a principled man.
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 02:48 PM
Jul 2019

He isn't a Trumpeter or right wing nut. He is an old school republican. Last week he voted with the Democrats with the vote against racism.

cstanleytech

(26,319 posts)
134. Whats his entire voting record been like though? Has he voted lock step when his bosses demanded
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 05:06 PM
Jul 2019

he do so? If the answer is yes then frankly I would not trust him anymore than I would trust a venomous snake not to bite me.

phylny

(8,386 posts)
61. Is it possible that Mislik ? (not sure of the name)
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 02:44 PM
Jul 2019

is a spy/agent and that’s why he’s not been prosecuted?

Lars39

(26,116 posts)
68. Doing it as I sit here and will do it in the next campaign (Russians interfering)
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 02:48 PM
Jul 2019

Muller stopped that guy in his tracks

Pacifist Patriot

(24,654 posts)
71. I would have liked Heck to support Hurd's line of questioning before...
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 02:50 PM
Jul 2019

veering back to Trump. Yes, it's important to flesh out Trump's complicity, but I'd like the Dems to show that they are as concerned about election interference as they are about Trump.

polichick

(37,152 posts)
74. He seems inclined to add bits to cushion the blows against the admin...
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 02:54 PM
Jul 2019

This could help or hurt in making the case I guess, depending on how you look at it.

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
77. Nunes is laying out the next twelve months of bullshit the GOP will use to distract from Trump
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 02:58 PM
Jul 2019

And I don't have Fox News, but I would guess they're breathlessly running with the names that aren't in the report to help build up the GOP's campaign.

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
85. Yes! He's getting to the heart of the matter of defending our elections from interference
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 03:03 PM
Jul 2019

And Mueller is clearly concerned, too, based on how much he engaged with Welch.

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
92. Trump tried every way possible to stand in the way of a subpoena
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 03:08 PM
Jul 2019

and I think Mueller honestly believed that the congress would act on the election interference piece in part 1 of volume 1. He prioritized it over the obstruction piece in volume 2, though both are important.

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
97. Implication is Trump lied about having advance knowledge of wikileaks.
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 03:13 PM
Jul 2019

Because Trump's "inadequate and incomplete" written testimony contradicted some of Mueller's findings.

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
94. Demmings -- great follow up... "What did you find that went to the president's credibility?"
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 03:10 PM
Jul 2019

Mueller couldn't answer the question, but she was smart for asking it.

Midnightwalk

(3,131 posts)
98. Demings keeps coming back to President not being credible
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 03:15 PM
Jul 2019

And mueller hasn’t disagreed once. Couldn’t answer sometimes At least once agreed “generally “

Midnightwalk

(3,131 posts)
102. Ongoing counter intelligence investigations?
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 03:19 PM
Jul 2019

Is that rhe implication of ongoing investigations of whether rhe russians might be exploiting the lies that were told?

Ponietz

(3,006 posts)
104. Watching on C-Span and impressed with Democratic members' live Tweets
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 03:20 PM
Jul 2019

The message is going out, bypassing much of MSM, and the trends list shows that.

Midnightwalk

(3,131 posts)
125. I'll bet he's one of the targets
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 03:38 PM
Jul 2019

Of the counter intelligence investigations. Only sonething like that would shut him up. Looking like a fool or a sycophant wouldn’t.

Satch59

(1,353 posts)
108. Wish Schiff could have asked all the dem questions
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 03:23 PM
Jul 2019

Just love him and what a great way to end this!!

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
113. I hope his final remarks get pickup in the MSM
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 03:28 PM
Jul 2019

He comes across a lot more credible than any republican who asked questions.

BumRushDaShow

(129,467 posts)
123. That's true!
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 03:36 PM
Jul 2019

Interestingly enough, the water bottle sip & shuffle often gets targeted and over-analyzed by the talking heads so perhaps it was good that it did not become an excuse to manufacture a media "distraction".

PA Democrat

(13,225 posts)
115. He is emphasizing the areas that Mueller's investigation did not cover
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 03:29 PM
Jul 2019

and the ongoing risk to our country's elections and national security, laying the groundwork for further investigations into Trump.

Nunes did not even make a closing argument.

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
118. His statement plus Mueller testimonypaint a picture of a president who is a clear and present danger
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 03:31 PM
Jul 2019

to the US.

blogslut

(38,016 posts)
117. I'm drained.
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 03:31 PM
Jul 2019

Good work everybody! Sam Stein speaks for me:




Sam Stein
@samstein

On the one hand the Mueller sputtered a bit. On the other, he said Trump wasn’t exonerated, could be charged after he left office, was “generally untruthful” in his answers, accused his team of lying, misleading and covering up, and called his love of WikiLeaks problematic

iluvtennis

(19,872 posts)
131. Rep. Sean Patrick Maloney: "What did you think of the president's written responses?
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 04:29 PM
Jul 2019

NPR Politics
@nprpolitics
·
1h
Rep. Sean Patrick Maloney: "What did you think of the president's written responses?"

Robert Mueller: "Certainly not as useful as an interview would be."



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