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polichick

(37,152 posts) Wed Jul 24, 2019, 05:25 PM Jul 2019

Election 2016 did not solve the Dem's Supreme Court problem...

or the Russian interference problem - in both cases Dems underestimated the enemy and lost.

Election 2020 won’t solve the Trump/Russia/destruction of democracy problem either - Democrats need to fight as if they understand what Trump, McConnell, Barr and others are after.

Do Dems really believe they won’t “win” at all costs?

Following today Pelosi should cancel vacation, begin impeachment hearings and educate Americans about how our country is being dismantled - and who benefits from it.

It’s foolish to count on a fair, democratic election to fix things - we are unlikely to have one.

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Election 2016 did not solve the Dem's Supreme Court problem... (Original Post) polichick Jul 2019 OP

We are losing faith in those we gave the power to... beachbum bob Jul 2019 #1

Yes - just like what happened in 2010 after the Dems failed to... polichick Jul 2019 #3

Much worse, a trump 2020 victory and 2 or 3 Supreme Court judges beachbum bob Jul 2019 #4

I mean, as in 2010, voter turnout will be depressed. polichick Jul 2019 #5

K&R alwaysinasnit Jul 2019 #2

The election is the only thing that can make a difference. wasupaloopa Jul 2019 #6

That's what Dems said last time - but it doesn't work if the election is rigged... polichick Jul 2019 #7

What I said is fact and is true. It can't be denied. wasupaloopa Jul 2019 #8

How did counting on the election work when Dems... polichick Jul 2019 #9

If we win trump is out. We are not counting on the wasupaloopa Jul 2019 #11

Not true. The Democrats control the House. rockfordfile Jul 2019 #10

True, the Repubs control the Senate. wasupaloopa Jul 2019 #12

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)

1. We are losing faith in those we gave the power to...

Reply to polichick (Original post)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 05:28 PM

Jul 2019

Pelosi inaction will breed apathy and huge democratic losses in 2020. She needs to quit worrying on what McConnel and the senate will do or not do ...and worry about us voters saying wtf is the point to all of work and money going to those who are failing us and America.

polichick

(37,152 posts)

3. Yes - just like what happened in 2010 after the Dems failed to...

Reply to beachbum bob (Reply #1)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 05:33 PM

Jul 2019

use the full extent of the power the people gave them.

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)

4. Much worse, a trump 2020 victory and 2 or 3 Supreme Court judges

Reply to polichick (Reply #3)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 05:35 PM

Jul 2019

America will be fucked for 50 years.

polichick

(37,152 posts)

5. I mean, as in 2010, voter turnout will be depressed.

Reply to beachbum bob (Reply #4)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 05:37 PM

Jul 2019

alwaysinasnit

(5,072 posts)

2. K&R

Reply to polichick (Original post)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 05:32 PM

Jul 2019

wasupaloopa

(4,516 posts)

6. The election is the only thing that can make a difference.

Reply to polichick (Original post)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 05:56 PM

Jul 2019

Unless we have power we can’t change anything.

We do not have the power at this time.

polichick

(37,152 posts)

7. That's what Dems said last time - but it doesn't work if the election is rigged...

Reply to wasupaloopa (Reply #6)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 05:59 PM

Jul 2019

After what happened to Gore, Kerry and Clinton, Dems should know they have to use all their power between elections.

wasupaloopa

(4,516 posts)

8. What I said is fact and is true. It can't be denied.

Reply to polichick (Reply #7)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 06:15 PM

Jul 2019

Unless trump is no longer in power there cannot be change.

The ONLY thing that can remove him is to defeat him in 2020.

There is no denying that.

polichick

(37,152 posts)

9. How did counting on the election work when Dems...

Reply to wasupaloopa (Reply #8)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 06:27 PM

Jul 2019

wanted to seat their SC pick and stop Russian influence?

Waking the people up - fighting so that the people will fight too - is what leadership is about.

Dem leaders should have led the fight against McConnell stealing the SC seat - instead of waiting for the election.

Obama should have told the people exactly what was going on with Russia and McConnell’s part - instead of waiting for the election.

That election was rigged - and the next will be too.

wasupaloopa

(4,516 posts)

11. If we win trump is out. We are not counting on the

Reply to polichick (Reply #9)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 07:21 PM

Jul 2019

election as a choice between it and something else.

It is the only way realistically that trump can be removed because he has to be convicted by the Senate and that will not happen.

rockfordfile

(8,704 posts)

10. Not true. The Democrats control the House.

Reply to wasupaloopa (Reply #6)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 06:47 PM

Jul 2019

wasupaloopa

(4,516 posts)

12. True, the Repubs control the Senate.

Reply to rockfordfile (Reply #10)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 07:22 PM

Jul 2019

Trump will not be convicted by the Senate.

That means impeachment will not remove him.

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