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TruckFump
(5,812 posts)Although the orange asshole will never win it...slamming the door in this fat face feels sooooo good.
Question: Can there be write ins for him?
wryter2000
(46,081 posts)So he cant get votes in the CA Republican primary.
Edit. He has no primary challengers
Vinca
(50,303 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Parties?
This will have a huge impact on the popular vote huh. Maybe most all CA repuke votes? So if worst happens and he wins EC the Dem will definitely have more pop votes huh.
onenote
(42,759 posts)He'll be on the ballot for the general election.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)onenote
(42,759 posts)Whether or not someone wins, loses or even runs in a state's primary has no impact on whether they are on the ballot once they've won the nomination.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)dalton99a
(81,575 posts)The law, signed by Gov. Gavin Newsom on his final day to take action and passed on a strict party-line vote in the Legislature, requires all presidential candidates to submit five years of income tax filings. They must do so by late November in order to secure a spot on Californias presidential primary ballot in March. State elections officials will post the financial documents online, although certain private information must first be redacted.
onetexan
(13,058 posts)Takket
(21,625 posts)customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)He will tell his supporters to write him in. It's better than having them mess up our primary.
highplainsdem
(49,035 posts)Ohiogal
(32,063 posts)Danascot
(4,694 posts)Cuomo Signs a Bill to Allow Release of Trumps State Tax Returns
As the battle over President Trumps federal taxes intensifies in Washington, Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo of New York signed a bill on Monday to allow congressional committees to access the presidents state tax returns.
The new law requires state tax officials to release the presidents state returns for any specified and legitimate legislative purpose on the request of the chair of one of three congressional committees: the House Ways and Means Committee, the Senate Finance Committee and the Joint Committee on Taxation.
It is effective immediately, though it is unclear whether it will face a legal challenge from the Trump administration; on Monday, Mr. Trumps personal lawyer, Jay Sekulow, called the new law more presidential harassment.
It was also uncertain if the committee leaders would test the new law; some Democrats on Capitol Hill have viewed New Yorks effort warily, fearing it could complicate or even damage their quest to secure Mr. Trumps federal returns.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/08/nyregion/trump-ny-taxes-cuomo.html
UTUSN
(70,740 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)panader0
(25,816 posts)This story, if it real, makes my week.
If he releases his taxes, he'll lose many more votes that that.
FakeNoose
(32,748 posts)I doubt he'll get anywhere near 4 million votes from California in 2020. But he will be on the ballot because the state law can't keep him off.
edhopper
(33,615 posts)not the General election.
And since he will be the nominee, it doesn't matter.
Fiendish Thingy
(15,657 posts)Couldnt Weld, Kasich, etc steal the nomination from Trump? Couldnt they get enough delegates to deny Trump the nomination?
Thats why this IS a big deal.
onenote
(42,759 posts)The Republican primaries are frontloaded with red states, none of which are remotely likely to pass legislation requiring a candidate to make their tax returns public as a condition of getting on the primary ballot. Trump needed 1237 delegates to get the Republican nomination -- he won 1725 and had the nomination wrapped up before the California primary even was held. His nearest competitor in terms of delegates had 484.
There simply aren't enough delegates in states that might pass such legislation to deny him the nomination and certainly no chance any other candidate gets anywhere near a majority. Even in the highly unlikely event that Trump fell short of a majority because he couldn't get delegates from a few states (and assuming further that the republican party in those states doesn't switch from a primary to a caucus or state convention to get around the ballot issue), Trump will come to the convention with far more delegates than the other candidates and after the first ballot, those delegates will simply support Trump.
Fiendish Thingy
(15,657 posts)18 states are considering similar laws to California's, including Washington, New York and Illinois.
If these laws had been in place in 2016, Trump would not have been the nominee, as not being on the ballot in just California (172 delegates) and Washington(44 delegates) (both winner take all delegates states),along with New York (89 delegates to Trump), he would have fallen short of the threshold to clinch the nomination, which would at least have forced a contested convention with no clear nominee, unless voters voted for their second choice, in which case another candidate would have won the nomination.
As Joe would say, this is potentially a BIG fuckin' deal.
tritsofme
(17,399 posts)If a major candidate was being held off a primary ballot, delegates could be chosen through caucuses or conventions, the party could even require it those states.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,415 posts)edhopper
(33,615 posts)Besides th repukes will just change the rules to make sure he gets the nomination..
It should be not on the General election ballot.
onenote
(42,759 posts)And he can all but sew up the nomination with just red states.
Fiendish Thingy
(15,657 posts)Probably enough to deny Trump the nomination, or force the GOP to forcibly remove the power from the voters and select their nominee strictly through delegates at the convention. If they choose the latter, it could certainly be spun as another step toward tyranny and away from democratic process, and might suppress GOP turnout in the general.
Johnny2X2X
(19,114 posts)This will just muddy the waters IMO, Trump lost the popular vote by 3 million in 2016, that is a big talking point. If CA hadn't been counted he would have lost by 7 or 8 million votes and it would have not been a story because CA doesn't count.
AlexSFCA
(6,139 posts)for other measures and candidates that are often lumped into primary election.
onenote
(42,759 posts)redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)You know he will roll out the lawyers.
AncientGeezer
(2,146 posts)Johnny2X2X
(19,114 posts)No Trump on the ticket and it will crush Republicans down ticket.
onenote
(42,759 posts)that won't have any significant impact on anything.
renate
(13,776 posts)And maybe it will spread. If legislation like this could be made to apply in time for the general election and not just the primaries, it would only take a few like Pennsylvania or Ohio for this to really matter.
onenote
(42,759 posts)The Republicans control the Ohio state senate by a 24-9 margin and the Ohio state house by a 61-38 margin. They aren't passing any legislation that would require Trump to give up his tax returns (and DeWine would veto it if they did).
The margins are closer in Pennsylvania, but the Republicans still control both the state senate and the state house.
malaise
(269,157 posts)Oh Yes!
lunatica
(53,410 posts)dlk
(11,576 posts)However, it is highly unlikely he will prevail. I wish more states would pass similar laws.
former9thward
(32,080 posts)And Trump is very likely to prevail. The Supreme Court ruled against Arkansas in 1828 when they tried to tinker with ballot qualifications for federal office. And courts have been knocking down attempts ever since. If it gets to the SC they will rule 9-0 for Trump.
dlk
(11,576 posts)Recent SCOTUS rulings show they prefer to avoid getting involved in state election matters. Some things have changed since 1828. We will see what happens.
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)MichMan
(11,972 posts)People have a right to know the finances of their county commissioners, state legislators, mayors, prosecutors, and judges too.