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applegrove

(118,700 posts)
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 06:03 PM Aug 2019

Millions Removed from Voter Rolls

Millions Removed from Voter Rolls

August 1, 2019 at 5:49 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 4 Comments

https://politicalwire.com/2019/08/01/millions-removed-from-voter-rolls/

"SNIP....

“Using data released by the federal Election Assistance Commission in June, a new Brennan Center analysis has found that between 2016 and 2018, counties with a history of voter discrimination have continued purging people from the rolls at much higher rates than other counties.”

“At least 17 million voters were purged nationwide between 2016 and 2018, similar to the number we saw between 2014 and 2016, but considerably higher than we saw between 2006 and 2008.”

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Millions Removed from Voter Rolls (Original Post) applegrove Aug 2019 OP
This should be the top topic today bronxiteforever Aug 2019 #1
The fight is to let everyone know to check their registration and register again if they're off the mahina Aug 2019 #3
Yep, and instead the top topics are about tweets Kentonio Aug 2019 #5
This is HUGE malaise Aug 2019 #2
Fortunately, there are easy fixes. First, if you vote every couple of years and haven't moved Hoyt Aug 2019 #4
that ignores all the lawsuits for improper purges Hermit-The-Prog Aug 2019 #13
The second article has nothing to do with purges. The first article, Hoyt Aug 2019 #14
I disagree with your characterizations and conclusions Hermit-The-Prog Aug 2019 #16
the first article says no voters where purged because several groups banded together and sued questionseverything Aug 2019 #17
2nd article is not about purges. First article shows system worked. Hoyt Aug 2019 #18
first article shows system works as long as we have tons of money for lawyers questionseverything Aug 2019 #19
The election officials announced their intent, and it was overruled. Very few people, who still Hoyt Aug 2019 #20
the brenan center is totally credible...i just do not get you at all questionseverything Aug 2019 #21
Yes, and even they say they don't know how many of the purges Hoyt Aug 2019 #22
"Everyone" won't, and YOU KNOW IT. Hortensis Aug 2019 #24
I'm telling you that the vast majority of people do not get purged if they vote, still live in the Hoyt Aug 2019 #25
You're making the archconservative argument that it's okay Hortensis Aug 2019 #29
Kick dalton99a Aug 2019 #6
The GOPutin machine has known since day one of Trump's stealing the 2016 from Hillary... C Moon Aug 2019 #7
Curious of what ratio is (% of repugs/% of democratic voters)...I suspect probably 50-50, ... SWBTATTReg Aug 2019 #8
So do we throw up our hands and cry, "On no! This is terrible!" elocs Aug 2019 #9
This is fucking infuriating. And unconstitutional. There need to be injunctions, lawsuits. SunSeeker Aug 2019 #10
First of all, DUers are not the people you should be informing. YOHABLO Aug 2019 #11
And 16 million were removed from voting prior to the 2016 election Botany Aug 2019 #12
K&R, uponit7771 Aug 2019 #15
The battle for power is enormous, and the party of kleptocrats Hortensis Aug 2019 #23
Ya know, I've moved 5 times over a long period of time, and I NEVER thought about notifying napi21 Aug 2019 #26
Plus there are so many ways to prevent a vote at election time lunasun Aug 2019 #27
Re-register as a republican SoCalDem Aug 2019 #28

bronxiteforever

(9,287 posts)
1. This should be the top topic today
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 06:07 PM
Aug 2019

The Supreme Court gave the green light to disenfranchise African Americans. Areas with discriminatory history purging at higher rates. US election jurisdictions with histories of egregious voter discrimination have been purging voter rolls at a rate 40% beyond the national average, according to a watchdog report released Thursday.

mahina

(17,673 posts)
3. The fight is to let everyone know to check their registration and register again if they're off the
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 06:19 PM
Aug 2019

Voter roll!

 

Kentonio

(4,377 posts)
5. Yep, and instead the top topics are about tweets
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 06:37 PM
Aug 2019

And about who offended who in a debate. There’s a reason Republicans get away with this crap.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
4. Fortunately, there are easy fixes. First, if you vote every couple of years and haven't moved
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 06:26 PM
Aug 2019

out of you district, it is highly unlikely you will be purged.

If you’ve moved, but registered in another district, you might be purged some day from your old district. Not a big deal, because you are registered in your new district.

If you haven’t voted in several years, or are just not sure whether you are registered, it’s so easy to check. You can do it online in most states. Or call your local Democratic field office for help.

Even in my redassed state, you have to go 7 years without voting to get purged, and they have to send you a notification before they remove your name.

The vast majority of people purged are those who have moved out of a district and did not notify the district to remove their name. I’ve been purged at least twice for that reason, but was already registered in another district. No problem.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
14. The second article has nothing to do with purges. The first article,
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 09:26 PM
Aug 2019

states no voters were purged. The system worked as it should. The first article has nothing to do with OP, other than it recounts a purge that failed under the system.

questionseverything

(9,656 posts)
17. the first article says no voters where purged because several groups banded together and sued
Fri Aug 2, 2019, 03:52 PM
Aug 2019

the second article states Georgia officials destroyed evidence before it could be examined , so you do not know what was hidden

questionseverything

(9,656 posts)
19. first article shows system works as long as we have tons of money for lawyers
Fri Aug 2, 2019, 07:59 PM
Aug 2019

and never let up for a sec


why are you denying repubs illegally purge voters as the Brenan center suggests?


I will take their word ovr a nameless ,faceless internet dude anyday of the week

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
20. The election officials announced their intent, and it was overruled. Very few people, who still
Fri Aug 2, 2019, 08:44 PM
Aug 2019

live in a District, get purged unless they have gone years without voting.

In my red state, it has been 7 years for some time and the election division had to mail you notices so you could respond, it is now 9 years without voting and failure to respond to at least 2 notification before someone is removed, presumably because they moved and failed (like most of us) to notify our former election office. I've been purged at least 2 times, yet had no problem voting in my new District.

There are so many things in our country that ought to be condemned, including purging voters who are removed for no reason (assuming that actually occurs), that griping about this gets us nowhere, except convincing people who don't take the time to investigate that we shouldn't vote.

The 17 million people -- or even 10,000 of those people -- aren't going to show up at the polls and get turned away because the vast majority have moved and will vote in their new District where they are registered. Or, they don't vote and probably won't in the future either.

Try to find some creditable sources where people were turned away from the polls because they were removed from the voter rolls for something other than not voting for years or moving to another area.

Now you wanna talk about gerrymandering, treating minority voters like dirt, etc., I'm with you. I'm also with you as far as staying vigilant so we can stop anything like the OP in its tracks.

questionseverything

(9,656 posts)
21. the brenan center is totally credible...i just do not get you at all
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 08:52 PM
Aug 2019

Using data released by the federal Election Assistance Commission in June, a new Brennan Center analysis has found that between 2016 and 2018, counties with a history of voter discrimination have continued purging people from the rolls at much higher rates than other counties.”


the reason this article is important is so people can dbl check and make sure they are registered in time.......you pretending repubs never take people off the rolls illegally stops people from checking



google cross check and you will find thousands of articles about repubs planning to illegally take peops off voter registrations

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
22. Yes, and even they say they don't know how many of the purges
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 09:04 PM
Aug 2019

were legitimate.

Even in 2018, you won’t be able to find many, if any, reports of a significant number of people being turned away from polls. The vast majority of those removed from the polls have died, moved, or not voted for years. Thus, they don’t show up to be denied.

I said everyone needs to check their registration, even ask local Democratic office for help if necessary. Most of all vote, and it’s highly unlikely one will ever be purged.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
24. "Everyone" won't, and YOU KNOW IT.
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 09:16 PM
Aug 2019

I'm wondering, do you understand what liberal democracy is, government of, by and for the people as Lincoln explained it? It's easy to believe you don't care, but you should understand what you yourself are in grave danger of losing.

Btw, reports are coming out of Russia, a faux democracy that continues to hold pretend elections as long as the people pretend they have a choice, that protestors are being threatened with having their fingers cut off.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
25. I'm telling you that the vast majority of people do not get purged if they vote, still live in the
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 09:32 PM
Aug 2019

same place. In fact, most states do not purge unless you have not voted for like 5, 7, even 9 years and failed to respond to at least 2 mailed notices. Purging is not the issue people are making it because the vast majority of people "purged" were purged legitimately. I've been purged at least twice in one District, because I moved to another District and no long voted in the original District.

Are there other ways to suppress voted, you bet. In fact, in the South, I've seen poll workers treat minorities like dirt. We know in some states, there is limited time to vote, too few polls, confusing info, etc.

But Purging ain't where the suppressive action is (assuming Democrats are fulfilling their oversight responsibilities).

So, please don't lecture me about democracy.

I'm just tired of people saying things like 17 million voters have been purged from the rolls as if that is 17 million people who can't vote, or even a million or 100. 99+% of purges are likely legitimate, even if the purge was based on the fact the person had not voted in 7 years or so and does not respond to notices mailed to their last known address. And even if the purge were somehow Russian interference, it is so darn easy to check your registration status or ask a local Democratic office to help.

Voting ain't that hard, and I don't see excusing people from voting because it's this big ordeal. It's not. Heck in my red state, we can vote by mail, there is extended voting for weeks before the election. If one goes to the polls, and there actually is some issue, you can usually file a provisional ballot if poll workers can't resolve it right there.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
29. You're making the archconservative argument that it's okay
Sun Aug 4, 2019, 05:11 AM
Aug 2019

to make people earn the right to vote. Every election. And that if they do not, they do not deserve it.

The right to vote is ours as citizens. Period. You're arguing AGAINST equality and representative government. Your argument is inimical to democracy, to liberalism and humanism, and to the Democratic Party that believes in and fights to protect government of, by and for the people.

But the Republican leadership hasn't chosen this standard fascistic tactic out of anti-democracy principles but because democracy doesn't work for them any more.

Every vote stolen is an attack on the sovereignty of all. If only most of those the Republicans are disenfranchising fight their way back onto the rolls -- and are vigilant enough to make sure they stay there -- the Republicans win. Disenfranchise 1.6 million, 1.2 million re-register = 400,000 disenfranchised.

Democracy loses your way. Every time. And you know it.

C Moon

(12,213 posts)
7. The GOPutin machine has known since day one of Trump's stealing the 2016 from Hillary...
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 08:23 PM
Aug 2019

that they were going to have to work hard to steal the 2020 election.
They've been working on it daily since. I think a lot of what Trump is doing is to steal the election—even the ICE /border wall thing is being used to remove AND scare voters away from the polls.
I think it's going to be the dirtiest election in the history of the U.S.

And I can't help but feel our party is just playing the game as usual, thinking voting will be fair. It won't be.

SWBTATTReg

(22,144 posts)
8. Curious of what ratio is (% of repugs/% of democratic voters)...I suspect probably 50-50, ...
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 08:39 PM
Aug 2019

depending upon criteria of purge(s), e.g., voters moved to another location, didn't notify voting authority of their move, etc.

elocs

(22,586 posts)
9. So do we throw up our hands and cry, "On no! This is terrible!"
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 08:40 PM
Aug 2019

and then use it as an excuse for a Democratic loss to Trump?

With all of the millions of dollars being thrown at the Democratic presidential nomination candidates, including the ones with a 0 chance of being nominated, there should be plenty of money to fund an organization dedicated to making sure that people are registered to vote or that if they need an ID to vote that they have one or help them obtain one.

If voters are purged from the rolls, they're purged and there's no sense in crying about that now but there is time to get them registered in time for 2020.
Because come election day there will not be a damned thing any of us can do about Russian interference or gerrymandering or any of that but the one thing we have left in our power to do is to get out and vote. So let's get people registered and enough of the excuses. There's still plenty of time left.

SunSeeker

(51,574 posts)
10. This is fucking infuriating. And unconstitutional. There need to be injunctions, lawsuits.
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 08:49 PM
Aug 2019

We can't let another election be stolen.

 

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
11. First of all, DUers are not the people you should be informing.
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 08:59 PM
Aug 2019

It's the people who think their vote doesn't count, or they're just too damn lazy to do the simple task of making sure they're registered in their district. Democracy doesn't work if you don't participate.

Botany

(70,523 posts)
12. And 16 million were removed from voting prior to the 2016 election
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 09:00 PM
Aug 2019

HRC's margin over Trump was probably much greater than the 3 million figure.

https://thinkprogress.org/states-purged-16-million-voters-from-the-rolls-before-the-2016-election-1c5688dcaad7/

States purged more than 16 million voters from the rolls between 2014 and 2016. That number, calculated in a new report published Friday by the Brennan Center for Justice, is a significant increase from previous years and an indication that large numbers of eligible voters are likely being disenfranchised by inaccurate and unlawful voter roll maintenance.

The report comes just a few weeks after the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in favor of Ohio’s voter purge system, clearing the way for more states to move forward with the types of purges that disproportionately impact low-income and minority voters.

For the two years before the 2016 election, the number of purged voters across the county increased 33 percent over the two years before the 2008 presidential election, according to the report. The increase in purged voters was most significant in parts of the country with a history of racial discrimination that, until the Supreme Court’s Shelby County v. Holder decision in 2013, were required to seek pre-approval of changes to their voting laws from the Department of Justice.

The report, which examined purge data submitted to the Election Assistance Commission, found that states historically subject to preclearance were purging voters at a higher rate than other states. If the jurisdictions with a history of discrimination had purged voters at the same rate as other jurisdictions, 2 million fewer voters would have been removed from the rolls from 2012 to 2016.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
23. The battle for power is enormous, and the party of kleptocrats
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 09:10 PM
Aug 2019

and white male supremacy can only win by election theft. We once thought the Republicans would be forced to diversify. Instead, they've morphed into fascistic extremists and committed to taking control permanently.

napi21

(45,806 posts)
26. Ya know, I've moved 5 times over a long period of time, and I NEVER thought about notifying
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 09:53 PM
Aug 2019

any of the election commissions about my move. I just always registered in my new location when I changed my drivers license to the new state. The problem I see now though indicates many States are more intent on purging probable Dem. voters from their rolls.

How can we find out witch States are just purging people who haven't voted in a long time, and witch are purging for nefarious reasons?

BTW, I cur5rently live in Ga. and it IS one of the States that purged mostly people of color. They seemed to Identify them by particular names. The JA who is now our Governor (Brian Kemp) had 50,000 registrations in his desk drawer!

When we identify offending States, what can we do?

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
27. Plus there are so many ways to prevent a vote at election time
Sat Aug 3, 2019, 10:26 PM
Aug 2019

These are just the purged before Election Day

SoCalDem

(103,856 posts)
28. Re-register as a republican
Sun Aug 4, 2019, 03:25 AM
Aug 2019

trust that a viable dem candidate will emerge from a primary...but if your eligibility is at stake, why not be a faux-republican.. They move heaven & earth to bolster their own ranks.

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