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thegoose

(3,115 posts)
Sun Aug 4, 2019, 02:04 PM Aug 2019

Does anyone else detect a sea change today?

Guests on every network are calling Dump a white supremacist. He's not getting any slack except from that pasty white douchebag Mulvaney. Then he flies the flags at half-staff and his giant orange ass goes golfing. Piece of shit.

He did this. The blood is on his hands. Can we survive another year of this filth?

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Does anyone else detect a sea change today? (Original Post) thegoose Aug 2019 OP
Not nearly enough. CentralMass Aug 2019 #1
And it will happen again dalton99a Aug 2019 #2
Yes. sarge43 Aug 2019 #5
It does seem different this time leftieNanner Aug 2019 #3
Mitch True Blue American Aug 2019 #45
Let's start a rumor leftieNanner Aug 2019 #55
I remember after Las Vegas shooting, remember 58 killed, shot dead? CharleyDog Aug 2019 #62
The Las Vegas shooter wasn't directly inspired by Trumpism. John Fante Aug 2019 #63
if nothing happened after Sandy Hook... its never going to happen lapfog_1 Aug 2019 #78
NO!! Not enough white people on M$M saying this is white supremacist terrorism !! I'll feel uponit7771 Aug 2019 #4
Beto called him out thegoose Aug 2019 #7
I see Pete Buttigieg is calling him out too Skittles Aug 2019 #29
+1, they all need to put that Red Don is a stochastic terrorist in their narratives and questions uponit7771 Aug 2019 #53
Not really BannonsLiver Aug 2019 #6
Unfortunately we have always been somewhat racist and Srkdqltr Aug 2019 #57
"We are no better or worse than anyone else." BannonsLiver Aug 2019 #59
In my time things have taken on a faster pace. People don't like it. pwb Aug 2019 #60
It seems like most people are following O'Rourke's lead OldDem65 Aug 2019 #8
The prick Jonathan Karl on ABC asked his panel if O"Rourke isn't part of the problem rufus dog Aug 2019 #21
Goodness! I don't watch ABC but from what I gather OldDem65 Aug 2019 #40
Welcome to DU rufus dog Aug 2019 #46
+1 uponit7771 Aug 2019 #54
welcome to DU OldDem65 Skittles Aug 2019 #31
I'm liking him very much OldDem65 Aug 2019 #44
A white terrorist from Dallas drove 9 hours to El Paso IronLionZion Aug 2019 #51
And Sherman A1 Aug 2019 #9
THURSDAY??? Try "by 9:36pm tonight" :-( BamaRefugee Aug 2019 #38
Oh, I think it will make it a few days Sherman A1 Aug 2019 #49
Thursday is 8/8, heil Hitler day. suegeo Aug 2019 #61
we have a year and about 5 and a half months of his vile crap to endure---and then decades riversedge Aug 2019 #10
? why do you say over five years Skittles Aug 2019 #32
I'm not going to hold my breath, or get my hopes up. Coventina Aug 2019 #11
No one on my FB feed has posted anything about these two shootings maryellen99 Aug 2019 #12
Most of what I see is in groups. MuseRider Aug 2019 #13
New friends? Duppers Aug 2019 #25
Most of my hobby groups have a no politics rule nt maryellen99 Aug 2019 #27
He also popped in on a wedding and partied down last night. Unseemly indeed! nt tblue37 Aug 2019 #14
Santorum was oozing out a defense of Trump lame54 Aug 2019 #15
here's a yardstick you can use stopdiggin Aug 2019 #16
No. Everyone already knows what he is. And nothing will change re guns. Vinca Aug 2019 #17
No sea change. More like a little tide pool that will be gone within a day. 'MURICA!!! BamaRefugee Aug 2019 #18
Zactly. Duppers Aug 2019 #26
No we should not go another 18 months with this racist... pbmus Aug 2019 #19
Nope. cwydro Aug 2019 #20
Politically bucolic_frolic Aug 2019 #22
Happened on a weekend, with most out of town rufus dog Aug 2019 #23
The blood is on the hands of REPUBLICANS !!!!!! pangaia Aug 2019 #24
They love it. They're licking their hands clean, accompanied by a nice Chianti. BamaRefugee Aug 2019 #39
I don't use my tv... Harker Aug 2019 #28
By Monday it will be off the news cycle. KentuckyWoman Aug 2019 #30
fascist don't care, he will always have their undying support yaesu Aug 2019 #33
Sorry cilla4progress Aug 2019 #34
Fomenting hatred, fear and division The Wizard Aug 2019 #35
My cousin is still talking just now about "Focahantas" wanting to take all the guns. Grasswire2 Aug 2019 #36
Trump fulfilling his campaign promises to golf more and vacation more than Obama. keithbvadu2 Aug 2019 #37
Something happened for sure. Great-grandson of Prescott Bush just used the MaryMagdaline Aug 2019 #41
Not really. Just another day in the USA. Pepsidog Aug 2019 #42
No. It's exactly the same as always. A day or two of shocked reason ... Kablooie Aug 2019 #43
not in the slightest AlexSFCA Aug 2019 #47
More terrorists have cited Trump as inspiration for attacks in America over the last 3 years IronLionZion Aug 2019 #48
NOT AT ALL! wprice2 Aug 2019 #50
I think you may be on to something. BigDemVoter Aug 2019 #52
Yes. Just like I did a bunch of other days, and was wrong. Captain Stern Aug 2019 #56
Not unless he gets canned every time he meets the press and every time they report on him, 58Sunliner Aug 2019 #58
So another great flood is coming? triron Aug 2019 #64
Maybe today but that does not mean it will be the same tomorrow or the next day. elocs Aug 2019 #65
Strength in numbers. Nt BootinUp Aug 2019 #66
sea change enid602 Aug 2019 #67
No. It feels more like Groundhog Day. We've been here before and... Blaukraut Aug 2019 #68
I thought the same myself. Maru Kitteh Aug 2019 #69
I thought that after Sandy Hook. Texin Aug 2019 #70
As of the morning news, I may be wrong along with some other posters rufus dog Aug 2019 #71
No Swift Hixson Aug 2019 #72
welcome to DU gopiscrap Aug 2019 #73
Can the MSM show Trump hard at work on the golf course? Beartracks Aug 2019 #74
NO live love laugh Aug 2019 #75
Did congress reconvene? If not, then no! ecstatic Aug 2019 #76
We went through this after Charlottesville. RandySF Aug 2019 #77

sarge43

(28,945 posts)
5. Yes.
Sun Aug 4, 2019, 02:11 PM
Aug 2019

Used to be that nothing got done until someone died. Not anymore, thoughts, prayers and flags at half staff will have to do.

Yea for our side.

leftieNanner

(15,154 posts)
3. It does seem different this time
Sun Aug 4, 2019, 02:08 PM
Aug 2019

Moscow Mitch is getting some serious heat back home in Kentucky too.

With the NRA in turmoil, this may be the time to ACT and do some major gun legislation.

leftieNanner

(15,154 posts)
55. Let's start a rumor
Sun Aug 4, 2019, 05:05 PM
Aug 2019

Elaine can see that hubby Mitch is goin' DOWN! So she sticks her foot out as he walks by with his Jack Daniels and Coffee, hoping he might hit his head on that slate patio.

Nice try Elaine. Next time for sure.

CharleyDog

(758 posts)
62. I remember after Las Vegas shooting, remember 58 killed, shot dead?
Sun Aug 4, 2019, 06:24 PM
Aug 2019

people said "it seems different this time"

But, no. Not different.

So, no, I am sure nothing will be done.

If we marched in the street like Puerto Rico or Hong Kong, then maybe, but we are beaten down? apathetic?

uponit7771

(90,364 posts)
4. NO!! Not enough white people on M$M saying this is white supremacist terrorism !! I'll feel
Sun Aug 4, 2019, 02:09 PM
Aug 2019

... like there's a sea change when they treat the Trump aligned white supremacist terrorist just like the brown folk and feel as threatened about common society as I do as a brown skinned person.

BannonsLiver

(16,460 posts)
6. Not really
Sun Aug 4, 2019, 02:11 PM
Aug 2019

America sucks. And to be frank, we’ve always been a little overrated. I found that out when I started traveling internationally.

Srkdqltr

(6,322 posts)
57. Unfortunately we have always been somewhat racist and
Sun Aug 4, 2019, 05:17 PM
Aug 2019

Anti immigrant, anti religion except Christian or whatever part of Christianity is in favor. Have always shortchanged our troops after a war. We are no better or worse than anyone else.

BannonsLiver

(16,460 posts)
59. "We are no better or worse than anyone else."
Sun Aug 4, 2019, 05:29 PM
Aug 2019

That’s factually inaccurate. We are the most violent among the wealthy countries in the world. That is backed up by data.

Our healthcare system is worse than a number of countries. Our public schools are worse. Our physical fitness is worse.

Save the both sides shit for someone who buys it. I stand by what I wrote.

pwb

(11,291 posts)
60. In my time things have taken on a faster pace. People don't like it.
Sun Aug 4, 2019, 05:38 PM
Aug 2019

It is more laid back in some countries for sure . agree

 

OldDem65

(76 posts)
8. It seems like most people are following O'Rourke's lead
Sun Aug 4, 2019, 02:14 PM
Aug 2019

He has been really strong in speaking the truth with a lot of passion. You know what they say, the truth will set you free. I'm really liking him. I think I am going to donate to his campaign.

I heard that Trump is golfing again today. O'Rourke sure has stepped up taking on the kind of role any normal or good president would take.

 

rufus dog

(8,419 posts)
21. The prick Jonathan Karl on ABC asked his panel if O"Rourke isn't part of the problem
Sun Aug 4, 2019, 04:05 PM
Aug 2019

Because Beto called tRump a White Supremacist. The prick Jonathan Karl did not confront Beto directly, but he waited until the next segment and asked the question to Heidi Heitcamp, who handled the question semi decently.

Regardless, the prick Jonathan Karl, is either a fucking wimp and was too afraid to confront Beto. Or the prick Jonathan Karl, is fucking ignorant and had to be fed the question by his producer.

The way to combat this is to confront the prick Jonathan Karl, exactly how Moscow Mitch is being confronted. The prick Jonathan Karl, should be called out wherever he goes. He needs to be made uncomfortable each and every day.

Then the prick Jonathan Karl, may finally realize what tRump is doing to people of color, how they are now living in fear daily. It is the only way the prick Jonathan Karl, and others like him, will understand.

Now will the prick Jonathan Karl, use it to claim both siderism, of course. He will do it regardless. But sooner or later it will hit them as long as we don't back down.

 

rufus dog

(8,419 posts)
46. Welcome to DU
Sun Aug 4, 2019, 04:47 PM
Aug 2019

Do you think Beto calling tRump a White Supremacist is equal to tRump hate filled rhetoric?

I sure as hell don't care for the media trying to put Dems on the defensive and Karl was trying to play the "both sides" do it. Or more succinctly, tRump can spark racial hatred but shouldn't be called out for it.

So Karl is collecting his paycheck, playing the game and trying to equate Beto with tRump. He does that because he is afraid of losing his paycheck, so he disregards morals in the name of money.

Now Karl isn't the only one, one of many actually. And taking the high road will result in further erosion of our democracy. They have had years to take on tRump and refuse to, why? But as soon as a Dem pushes back they attack the Dem.

Did the fucking prick Jake Tapper call out AOC for comparing the border cages to Concentration Camps, he sure as hell did. Did the fucking prick Jake Tapper every apologize to AOC when it became evident that they are Concentration Camps, he sure as hell didn't.

As I type this, the MSNBC anchor is questioning Dems about Beto's remarks. So it is obvious that the Repuke weekend spin machine is pushing this meme.

It is obvious that tRump is a racist. The questions should be directed at every republican guest. "Why do you support a racist?

IronLionZion

(45,534 posts)
51. A white terrorist from Dallas drove 9 hours to El Paso
Sun Aug 4, 2019, 04:58 PM
Aug 2019

to murder Hispanic people in Beto's hometown. It's personal for Beto so I bet he speaks the truth with a lot of passion.

This is the only country where this keeps happening. It wasn't some foreigner. It wasn't a drug cartel. It was some dumbass white supremacist who didn't like this country becoming more diverse.

They joke about this in Trump's rallies. Trump encourages and doesn't condemn it from his supporters.

suegeo

(2,573 posts)
61. Thursday is 8/8, heil Hitler day.
Sun Aug 4, 2019, 05:49 PM
Aug 2019

Is it true, that the puppet & his GOPee asshole enablers want to raise the flags on heil Hitler day?

Not a coincidence, if true.

riversedge

(70,306 posts)
10. we have a year and about 5 and a half months of his vile crap to endure---and then decades
Sun Aug 4, 2019, 02:15 PM
Aug 2019

to undo his ruin of our environment. And the damage he has done to so many human minds will last a century. IMHO

Coventina

(27,172 posts)
11. I'm not going to hold my breath, or get my hopes up.
Sun Aug 4, 2019, 02:16 PM
Aug 2019

Sadly, all my hope ended with Sandy Hook.

Believe me, I hope I'm wrong.

maryellen99

(3,789 posts)
12. No one on my FB feed has posted anything about these two shootings
Sun Aug 4, 2019, 02:16 PM
Aug 2019

They didn’t after Pulse or Charleston either.

MuseRider

(34,120 posts)
13. Most of what I see is in groups.
Sun Aug 4, 2019, 02:29 PM
Aug 2019

Usually things are said in groups I think, maybe that is just my experience. I apparently do not belong to any groups I totally disagree with on political issues. I do know I belong to one woman's group who regularly and thoroughly shake him down every day, it is my favorite group these days.

stopdiggin

(11,370 posts)
16. here's a yardstick you can use
Sun Aug 4, 2019, 03:44 PM
Aug 2019

Is Stephen Miller still working at the WH two weeks from now? If he is then ... "nevermind."

Vinca

(50,304 posts)
17. No. Everyone already knows what he is. And nothing will change re guns.
Sun Aug 4, 2019, 03:51 PM
Aug 2019

Blah, blah, blah, mental health. Blah, blah, blah, video games. Nothing happened after Sandy Hook and no one would be surprised if the next nut took out the newborn nursery at the hospital. It's sickening what has happened to this country.

bucolic_frolic

(43,295 posts)
22. Politically
Sun Aug 4, 2019, 04:05 PM
Aug 2019

I think there is a sea change. The GOP is on the defensive, they look frightened, they know this issue will not go away, they have no solutions because of their rigid minds and ideology, their attempts to blame video games are laughable, they can't hide behind Trump and they can't hide Trump, they are naked and twisting in the breeze, and that will not change. Their fall is inevitable.

 

rufus dog

(8,419 posts)
23. Happened on a weekend, with most out of town
Sun Aug 4, 2019, 04:07 PM
Aug 2019

So they weren't able to get the spin out immediately.

All the talking heads will fall back tomorrow after getting calls from the Repukes.

yaesu

(8,020 posts)
33. fascist don't care, he will always have their undying support
Sun Aug 4, 2019, 04:18 PM
Aug 2019

so I'm not looking for any major changes.

Grasswire2

(13,571 posts)
36. My cousin is still talking just now about "Focahantas" wanting to take all the guns.
Sun Aug 4, 2019, 04:22 PM
Aug 2019

So this sea change hasn't trickled down to his base.

MaryMagdaline

(6,856 posts)
41. Something happened for sure. Great-grandson of Prescott Bush just used the
Sun Aug 4, 2019, 04:31 PM
Aug 2019

“White terrorism” phrase. That’s even stronger than “white supremacy.” Lots of MAGA people are cool with “supremacy” language. “Terrorism” is something new they’ll have to grapple with.

Kablooie

(18,641 posts)
43. No. It's exactly the same as always. A day or two of shocked reason ...
Sun Aug 4, 2019, 04:40 PM
Aug 2019

then a quick reversal back into the Fox News tactic of blaming everyone and everything except the obvious causes of these massacres in order to protect Trump and the gun rights extremists.

The pattern will not change.

AlexSFCA

(6,139 posts)
47. not in the slightest
Sun Aug 4, 2019, 04:48 PM
Aug 2019

At this point he can just go out and shoot a hispanic man on 5th ave and little will change. A sitting president ‘can’t be indicted’. In fact, he’d increase his support if he did that. We have two Americas.

IronLionZion

(45,534 posts)
48. More terrorists have cited Trump as inspiration for attacks in America over the last 3 years
Sun Aug 4, 2019, 04:52 PM
Aug 2019

than any other person or group.


wprice2

(13 posts)
50. NOT AT ALL!
Sun Aug 4, 2019, 04:58 PM
Aug 2019

All forgotten by end of the week, if not sooner. Listen to rethuglicans today talk-video games, mental health, Trump is in NO ways to blame, don't rush to blame guns, blah blah blah bullshit!!!!

BigDemVoter

(4,157 posts)
52. I think you may be on to something.
Sun Aug 4, 2019, 05:00 PM
Aug 2019

If this shooter in Ohio turns out to be a white supremacist, the pressure on Pussy Grabber will intensify.

As for the terrible loss of life in OH, I can say that I DO hope the perpetrator IS a wingnut . . .

Captain Stern

(2,201 posts)
56. Yes. Just like I did a bunch of other days, and was wrong.
Sun Aug 4, 2019, 05:15 PM
Aug 2019

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

In a few days, trump will be doing/saying some other stupid shit, Pelosi won't be doing every single thing we want her to do right now, there will be some other stuff going on with Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez or one of her aids.

Point is, there's going to be plenty of other stuff to talk about. El Paso and Dayton are going to be old news.

But, it's heartening to see that there are folks out there on the networks that are straight-up calling things like they are, and the networks are airing it. Baby steps are better than no steps at all.

58Sunliner

(4,406 posts)
58. Not unless he gets canned every time he meets the press and every time they report on him,
Sun Aug 4, 2019, 05:20 PM
Aug 2019

associating his policies and his actions with outcomes among his supporters. Start calling his detention centers murder/torture camps. Stop calling them policies. These are sociopaths and psychopaths and the press wants to report on them like they are not. The disconnect has to stop. His tweets have to be scrutinized through the lens of fascism and racism. That giant POS is undoubtedly already planning a diversionary attack to try to force the focus elsewhere.

elocs

(22,609 posts)
65. Maybe today but that does not mean it will be the same tomorrow or the next day.
Sun Aug 4, 2019, 07:22 PM
Aug 2019

Yes, we can survive another year of Trump, but another 5 years is very, very doubtful.

enid602

(8,655 posts)
67. sea change
Sun Aug 4, 2019, 08:14 PM
Aug 2019

The sea change will only occur when trump announces he’ll end or substantially cut SS and Medicare. With a $1.5 trillion projected deficit this year, it’s not too far off. We won’t have a constitution by then. . .

Texin

(2,597 posts)
70. I thought that after Sandy Hook.
Mon Aug 5, 2019, 10:32 AM
Aug 2019

If the deaths of babies - five and six year olds for god's sake - wasn't enough for the motherfuckers in the rethug party to stop their god forsaken stonewalling in favor of the goddamned NRA, nothing ever will be. It's gotten steadily worse every day thereafter. And we've got fucking Russia funneling monies into the coffers of the RNC via the NRA, along with a fucking Russian asset or the ultimate Manchurian Candidate, if you will, inciting stochastic national terrorism on a minute-by-minute basis from the Oval Office on twitter. These two incidents over the weekend along with every other victim in the hours since who've been murdered in America's shooting gallery will be forgotten within the next twenty four hours. Mark my words on this.

 

rufus dog

(8,419 posts)
71. As of the morning news, I may be wrong along with some other posters
Mon Aug 5, 2019, 10:55 AM
Aug 2019

So far the media isn't protecting him. Although they aren't commenting that we have seen this play out before. (although one guest on MSNBC did bring review his speech with "let's see what how he acts at his next rally)

But overall he is getting smacked down hard on both MSNBC and CNN. FFS even Chris Jansing pointed out the House has passed bills and are waiting for the Senate to act. She could have called out Mitch directly, but still much better than expected.

 

Swift Hixson

(14 posts)
72. No
Mon Aug 5, 2019, 10:58 AM
Aug 2019

Admittedly, I have been boycotting all cable news since the election, but I don't see a few guests speaking up fundamentally changing the metabolism of how they operate. We speak out on social media all the time. Then the media returns to form. For the news/propaganda dissemination industry, Trump is a spectacle good for their bottom line, no matter how much people are suffering.

Predictions of his imminent electoral demise should be taken lightly. We will have to vote him out without any help from the media. We have difficult work ahead.

Beartracks

(12,821 posts)
74. Can the MSM show Trump hard at work on the golf course?
Mon Aug 5, 2019, 11:09 PM
Aug 2019

Last edited Mon Aug 5, 2019, 11:42 PM - Edit history (1)

Seriously, news folks, it *IS* news when the President is setting a record number of days playing golf, and especially when doing so while the country is mourning. I can easily see a news program doing a segment EVERY time Trump is hitting the links, with video of Trump out on the green while the reporter either a) details all the important issues of the day, or b) describes how hard Trump claims to be working on those issues. Don't play for laughs, but treat it like any other news story, because it definitely is serious and affects the lives of the viewers.

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