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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSo, that slaughterhouse owner who hired 600+ undocumented people
He's losing his business and facing criminal charges, right?
Right?
Guys?
ProudMNDemocrat
(16,786 posts)This is part of the Immigration that is NOT getting enough attention. Work no American wants to do. Employers who hire under the table to skirt the law, cheat workers out of fair wages in order to make huge profits. Another form of SLAVERY.
wryter2000
(46,051 posts)I wouldn't bet my SS check that they were all undocumented. I'd guess ICE might have rounded up anyone who appeared Latinx. Still, your point is spot on.
Pacifist Patriot
(24,653 posts)Not every form or missing form, every mistake on each form. If it doesn't, we definitely have some answers to your questions.
At a minimum, minimum (!), the company should be facing a $6 million fine on this documentary infraction alone. That's before any other penalties that might apply are thrown in to the mix.
JT45242
(2,281 posts)When I was an assistant manager at McDonald's. One of my jobs every month was to check the I9 form of every employee (including white bread me), because the person who did it before me didn't update the forms when drivers licenses expired etc. We got hit with a boat load of fines because the inspector loved to put it to McDonalds.
Would be a great revenue stream for the government if they went after the business owners (who would probably then push for an amnesty and green cards to protect their profits).
So, this owner should be getting killed with fines while facing all sorts of other economic pressures (inability to sell overseas thanks to tariff wars).
Doubt it will happen, but it should.
ancianita
(36,110 posts)Republicans won't like their laws imposed on them.
Maybe this will soften them up about DACA and other kinds of immigration reform.
You don't have to recheck drivers' licenses when they expire for I-9 purposes.
Cicada
(4,533 posts)Employers in many cases know the employees are unauthorized. So what? If the employee presents papers, which everyone knows are phony, photocopy them, end of story. No fine. Its all a scam, everyone on all sides know its a scam. It would be easy to prevent this scam but no one wants to end it. Not the employee, not the employer, not elected representatives who understand these workers are actually good for the economy, good for legals too. So everybody just plays along with this game. I confess. I prepare payroll reports I know are phony. But are legal. I dont want this system to change. This make believe world is better than the alternative. Where these workers dont get hired.
TexasBushwhacker
(20,205 posts)Right now it's voluntary, which is ridiculous.
Cicada
(4,533 posts)Yes, we can stop most employment of those here without authority, if we want to. But we have a huge shortage of low skill workers. Thats why everyone ignores solutions. We need to legally admit way more workers. From an economic point of view. We should combine that with compensation to those already here who get harmed. Job and wage security.
greatauntoftriplets
(175,745 posts)TheRealNorth
(9,481 posts)Republicans will protect their own. But if he is a Democratic donor, he's fooked.
PA Democrat
(13,225 posts)the National Chicken Council, and surprise, surprise, it looks like they largely support Republicans.
National Chicken Council donors:
https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/pacgave2.php?cycle=2018&cmte=C00034272
Recipients of $$$$ from the National Chicken Council:
https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/recips.php?cycle=2018&id=D000000568
SCantiGOP
(13,871 posts)The issue of extra-legal immigration could be solved with one simple law. (before proceeding, a note that I am not defending this position, merely noting it)
===Don't sanction those who are working illegally, but impose mandatory prison sentences and meaningful fines on the owners and managers at any facility found to have workers who are not working legally.
This approach would never be adopted by the conservatives because 1) it would punish the wealthy instead of the poor, and 2) it would wreck many aspects of our agricultural system, from harvesting to processing.
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)No eVerify, no deduction for that employee's wages on a personal or corporate tax return.
This could even be adopted by the states that have an income tax. The SCOTUS has already ruled that the states cannot make immigration law, but they can make tax law within their borders.
Farmer-Rick
(10,192 posts)Because it destroyed the labor market for everyone.
teach1st
(5,935 posts)But through the early 1970s, it became clear that Chavez's position was out-of-step with other Mexican American rights groups.
In 1974, the government announced a plan to deport a million undocumented immigrants, and the Attorney General said the plan had the support of United Farm Workers. Chicano activists erupted, and Chavez denied supporting the proposal.
He explained his shifting position later that year in a November 22 letter to the editor, published in the San Francisco Examiner.
"[T]he illegal aliens are doubly exploited, first because they are farm workers, and second because they are powerless to defend their own interests," he wrote. "But if there were no illegals being used to break our strikes, we could win those strikes overnight and then be in a position to improve the living and working conditions of all farm workers."
He promised that United Farm Workers would support legalization for the undocumented, "our brothers and sisters."
Chavez wasn't alone in changing his ideology, Gutiérrez writes. In fact, his shift from an immigration restrictionist to an "amnesty" supporter reflected the greater movement in Mexican American rights.
Farmer-Rick
(10,192 posts)Sad thing is Amnesty didn't work either.
The only real solution is hold employers accountable. They have no right to cheap and easily abused labor. It's the filthy rich who are making money off of this situation.
Then also I would look at some consistent humane refugee policies.
marble falls
(57,124 posts)broters have paid over the decades for using undocumented workers - many times and millions. They've since become 'woke'.
There isn't a "meat processor" in Iowa or Nebraska that couldn't be raided and fined today, right now.
CurtEastPoint
(18,652 posts)JHB
(37,161 posts)Its CEO is another billionaire named Joseph Grendys.
It was founded by a Fred Koch, but not that Fred Koch.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)JHB
(37,161 posts)Maybe that says something about the chicken
Recursion
(56,582 posts)TryLogic
(1,723 posts)Joe941
(2,848 posts)From the AP report on the arrests:
https://apnews.com/bbcef8ddae4e4303983c91880559cf23
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Grendys
He bought out Fred Koch in 1992. Grendys' companies now slaughter, ship and sell chicken using the Koch Foods, Antioch Farms, Preferred Foods and Rogers Royal brands.[1] Koch slaughters over 12 million chickens and processes over 50,000,000 pounds (23,000 t) of chicken every week.[4]
In 2011, Koch employed 14,000 people, had an annual turnover of $2.8 billion, and was one of America's five largest "fully-integrated chicken processors".[5]
The Fred C. Koch who founded Koch industries died in 1967.
IronLionZion
(45,466 posts)ARE YOU RELATED TO OTHER COMPANIES WITH THE KOCH NAME?
Koch Foods is an independent, privately held company that specializes in the processing of poultry. We are in no way affiliated with the Koch brothers, Koch Industries, Koch Companies or any other organization that uses the Koch name.
http://kochfoodsinc.com/our-company/faq
Duppers
(28,125 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)What are we going to do, sanction employers who are treating undocumented workers fairly (debatable, of course), making them all but unemployable, while starving them in Mexico and Central American countries by harsh trade policies.
cstanleytech
(26,300 posts)the owner will not face any major repercussions.
George II
(67,782 posts)oldsoftie
(12,558 posts)flying_wahini
(6,617 posts)This has been my argument for the last 40+ years. (I live in Texas.)
If Republicans wanted fix the immigration problem they WOULD HAVE.
They have been in control of the Texas Legislation for DECADES.
The reason they dont is so they have people that will work hard and they exploit
Them with low pay, unpaid overtime and few benefits.
Its a Big Win for these business owners.
lpbk2713
(42,761 posts)They keep the latest wages earned by the undoc workers. They don't have
the resources to hire attorneys and they sure as hell can't show up in court.
Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)Just sayin'.
rampartc
(5,422 posts)lolololololol ice is part of their employee retirement plan.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)AllaN01Bear
(18,275 posts)oh, but they are the job crerators . hem.
pecosbob
(7,541 posts)Six managers were indicted. A federal jury acquitted Tyson of having knowingly hired illegal immigrants.
Windy City Charlie
(1,178 posts)If these companies thought all of these workers were legal, why were they probably paying them below minimum wage? You know that's what's going on. "We had NO idea they were illegal". BS
That's why the Republicans only talk a good game about illegal immigration.....they know exactly what their donors are doing.....because these owners know if any of the illegals raise a fuss, all they have to do is contact their Republican friends and get those people deported.
Hekate
(90,734 posts)I'd like to see further penalties -- maybe.
But mostly I'd like to see an intelligent and legal arrangement that acknowledges what is: that Americans no longer do certain kinds of labor no matter how much you pay; that American plant managers have a chat with their Spanish-speaking leadmen and arrange for X number of seasonal workers to come in from the home village; that Y number will stay year-round. That's what IS. Legalize it.
In addition, acknowledge and plan for: decent housing, children, schools, medical care, ESL classes for adults, and other elements of a human life. PLAN for it. The people themselves will fill in the blanks: little grocery stores with foods they prefer, churches in their native language, barber shops, you name it.
But for the sake of all the gods, stop this insanity and inhumanity of treating Mexicans and Central Americans like political footballs generation after generation after generation. What is happening.
now is worse than ever and shames America to the core.
2020Junker
(99 posts)A North American Workers agreement.
What it would mean is that people could work while remaining citizens of their country, but they would be tracked, taxed, and subject to the local jurisdiction's labor laws.
Obviously, quite a lot would have to be hashed out there. But it's at least something to flesh out and think on when trying to ensure companies aren't using undocumented immigrants to undercut wage laws and taxes. Something to reign in the exploitation of the most vulnerable.
Because it's absolutely clear the federal government does not have a handle on the exploited immigrant worker problem.
aikoaiko
(34,174 posts)I've seen it before where the migrants work for a third party. The factory hires and pays the third party to hire and pay the migrants.
Plausible deniability.
malaise
(269,087 posts)hunter
(38,321 posts)God Bless U.S.A. socialist institutions.
In the old days industrialists who abused their workers to the point of organizing had to call the Pinkertons.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_union_busting_in_the_United_States