Or was that someone else?

He lost his immediate eligibility for it because he was fired a few days before he had enough time in. But there are ways to accumulate the time he needs.

Ranks right down there with scabbing a union worker.

Please don't insult honest, loyal union workers by imagining there's even the slightest comparison.

A falling out among corrupt officials does not make any of them a hero. Trump fired him for the "wrongly" reason, but absolutely we needed him to be fired. He performed at least one blatantly illegal and profoundly unethical action a week before the election that could only hurt Hillary and all the Democratic candidates riding to office on her coattails.

Blatant, prompting immediate investigation and finding of wrongdoing. Obviously illegal on its face. Massive betrayal of his duty and of the people. What else did he do more safely in the months leading up to his ruthless, last-minute, must-win action that we don't know?

As for the pension, I wouldn't bother boo-hooing. I'm sure that McCabe is owed BIG by powerful people for sacrificing his career to keep power in Republican hands. Of course, if Trump wasn't enraged when he realized McCabe wasn't his personal lackey, he would have been safe.

It should also be obvious that the ex Deputy Director of the FBI would know at least almost as much as Comey does that powerful people need to keep hidden.

Unlike many union workers these days, McCabe will never be poor. He wants permanent protection from prosecution and rehabilitation of reputation. He's hired extremely expensive Message Partners, a major DC firm that "cleanses" corrupt officials of disgrace, to handle that.

Filing a lawsuit is a standard tactic that always suggests innocence to gullible people, and the suit need not be successful. In fact, after being widely reported, many dishonest suits are dropped if discovery would be embarrassing. But reinstatement of pension -- based on the lie Trump used to fire him -- would convince many that he's innocent instead of that he's (so far) too powerful to touch.

A lot of people seem to be unaware what a scumbag McCabe actually is.

of the "deep state". as soon as the names became public limbaugh was attacking them. amateur sleuths might want to check into whether limbaugh was using their names before they became newsworthy. details like how the strzok emails were released would be helpful.

the 'deep state' in this case is not the republican deep state that's been sabotaging democracy for decades - this deep state has been made up to protect trump and because democrats ignore talk radio it's worked very well.

this 'deep state' got legs right around inauguration when kremlin propaganda tool limbagh started claiming obama bought a house near DC so he could be there to direct the coup with soros, clinton, sally yates, valery jarrett, etc. as the details were added they grabbed every chance to include more deep state operatives/moles in the DOJ and FBI etc., including mccabe, strzok, etc., as needed to undermine any investigations. this is the deep state that teabags in the gop like nunes mccarthy etc are actually are stupid enough to believe in - a conspiracy to set trump up, basically publicly coming out of limbaghs ass. but where did it originally come from?

while US republican think tanks could come up with this shit too, the russians have been feeding guys like corsi and web sites like breitbart for a long time - largely to pump into those radio stations, with limbaugh doing the heavy volume. how much of the detail had to come from foreign intel? or trump friendly republicans in in FBI and DOJ?

that 'deep state' construction is why trump's shits have been able to delay action and his departure.

mccabe's and strzok's and comey's lawyers need to include constant lying aimed at them from limbaghu and sons and include them in their lawsuits. limbagh's transcripts are out there as evidence.

hopefully soon we're going to find out some of the heavy redactions in the mueller report, possibly around corsi, have to do with russian use of talk radio, maybe going back to manafort using limbaugh to push mccain to pick palin.

it would be good to finally factor talk radio in this 'deep state' coup fantasy so we can discredit rw radio before the russians use it to ramp up the ebola scare after using social media in congo to stimulate attacks on ebola clinics. it worked great for them with corsi in 2014, now our local rw stations are going to help them do 2014 x 100 - they're claiming africans are coming across the southern border, including from congo.

they want to use it to declare a state of emergency, close the borders, and 'delay' the election, and democrats better wake up fast. those unchallenged kremlin-powered radio stations are going to play a major part with russian trolls piggybacking it.

works on those who know it's garbage and don't turn it on. They'll never need to be informed by Democrats that Democrats are not assisting invasions of thousands of Ebola-stricken Africans.

For those who insist on listening and believing, discrediting merely proves the "truths" RW radio brings. Not being facetious here, Certainot -- this has been studied. When people KNOW something is true, any information that contradicts it is taken as proof that the information is a lie and that whoever brings it is a liar.

We can't control them. Give us some credit though: Without the Democratic Party, without us to protect them as best we can from themselves, our nation would already have been taken over by kleptocrats and collapsed into the planet's most advanced third-world nation, competing with China for which had the most billionaires, and losing as poverty and decline grew.

is completely on their own as far as what they are exposed to and what they want to learn might work in a real democracy where everyone has free easy access to a variety of alternatives and coordinated propaganda operations like rw talk radio with near-captive audiences don't exist.

hitler used radio and it's just a milder version going on the last 30 years, dominating 40 states with 80 senators with large captive audiences of people with no free easy access to politics/current affairs while driving, working, or doing chores. and there are huge secondary and tertiary audiences - people too busy of lazy or apathetic or beaten down to work at finding the alternatives.

the talk radio monopoly is a unique propaganda operation and democrats completely ignopre it. americans can't have democracy if they allow a 20-1 monopoly to dominate so much of the country like that 15hrs/day 5 days a week, and we're seeing the consequences of the ignoring that - the biggest political mistake in history. it's not money, voter suppression, or russian trolls. those are symptoms. money? at $1000/hr x 15hrs x 1200 stations that's almost $5BIL/yr.

you can't let carnival barker set up a soapbox across the street and call your sister a whore, your brother a thief, and your ideas treasonous all day long and expect your neighbors to sort it all out on their own,

they put those barkers on every corner and stump in the country, with no one yelling back in real time.

on media, not on imbibers.

And please, the claim that no one is "yelling back" is absurd, certainly nowhere more than here where half the people marinate in MSNBC and CNN yelling all day long. All responsible media publish truth and expose RW lies for what they are, and links are constantly being posted that will prove that to you if you follow them.

I just really can't understand why you insist that we've failed in some duty to be the keeper of the minds of 150 million conservative citizens. That it's really our fault as if we were parents of badly behaved children.

And it's not as if the left doesn't also have a good share of self-made fools who also cannot be forced to notice or understand truths. You could call for people to "yell back" at that huge problem right here, but it wouldn't make any more difference to those who have no intention of listening than it does to those on the right.

and those people are on their own and free to find alternatives. the rw radio monopoly is a monopoly that protects itself from market demand and competition - it's not going to fix itself or allow anyone to fix it and if democrats and liberals ignore it it is not going to fade away before the planet melts.

democrats continue to play catch up and pretend they can 'message' if they just get together, while the RW and russian think PR pros can watch for liberal progress, put together a few one-liners, and get limbaugh to chew on it for a week. pretty soon it's truth on 1500 radio stations.

a major function of RW talk radio has been protecting itself. why do you think we haven't been able to get media reform? 30 years of "money is free speech" "corporations are people" "media regulation raises prices" "big govt want to regulate conservative/religious speech" etc. they used the same shit attacking net neutrality. so the left blames the democratic party for not wanting media reform and screams free speech! along with the RW and its russian trolls if anyone even mentions the words "fairness doctrine", no thaving a clue what ignoring rw radio has done to us.

thinking that web sites and TV and newspapers are alternatives is ignoring that monopoly dominance in huge areas of the country where there are no free easy alternatives.

i'm not saying individuals have to do anything. i'm saying it's really fucking stupid for progressive orgs, the dem party, and media to keep ignoring talk radio and continuing to analyze and strategize in a talk radio vacuum.

a small minority of true believers and a few hundred racist liars on 1500 coordinated radio stations with some russian trolls just staged a coup and put a cloud of orange assholes over the planet and the 1500 radio stations, very possibly used by the russians, gets a free pass. democrats and media don't even poll for it.

liberals and dems continue to waste their time and money ignoring rw radio, blaming symptoms like media consolidation, voter suppression, money in politics, fox, russian trolls, etc.

artificial intelligence-enhanced transcription can be used to finally digitize talk radio and force the ad industry to finally apply market demand for lies and hate.

democrats could break up the monopoly with very little effort - using those 'market forces', but.......

or maybe democrats will wake up if barr can't hide the mueller investigation spinoffs that point to russian use of talk radio the last 10 or 20 years.

of dem and media leadership ignoring RW radio and expecting 'free speech' and voting to take care of it.

GOP establishment doesn't want to lose all that cheap labor and its effect on keeping overall labor costs and minimum wage down but rove started using talk radio after 2000 to blow thee issue up, attacking immigrants to help them, successfully, pass voter ID and other suppression. then it got out of hand.

trump and the russians just amped up the same old issue, and they're getting ready to redo the successful 2014 ebola scare x 100 to declare a national emergency (during which those radio stations get louder). they're already setting it up on the radio to blame it on african immigrants coming across the southern border. would you put it past miller and trump and the russians to set this up to close the border and postpone the elections? who was pushing the social media to encourage attacks on ebola clinics?

talk radio has played a major part in delaying action on global warming and producing this trump disaster, doing what no other medium can, and there is no organized opposition to challenge it from the left while our orgs waste our donations and votes.

Those employees include

Federal air traffic controllers
Federal fire fighters
Virtually all employees at federal prisons (including clerical staff that never interact with prisoners
Federal Law Enforcement Officers

The loss of special benefits include

Lower rate of annuity payments (about 30% less)
Loss of Social Security offset which is the government adding SS to your Fers annuity until SS payments start.

Probably amounts to 50K a year

If he has a long record of favorable job reviews and can show that the firing was a) putative in nature b) part of a coercive effort to obstruct justice he will IMO win easily.

Ironically his book revenues are all most certainly more than his pension so by firingvhim Trump will likely double Comet's pension.

and along with it his Federal health insurance (and life insurance, if he had it).

Losing his LEO pension would mean that his LEO service is given no special credit in figuring his retirement, even were he to come back to work for the Federal government -- unless it were in a "Primary" LEO position held for 3 full years. And he not only loses his special provisions computation, he also loses all of his ancillary benefits, of which health insurance is the jewel. (Seriously, the jewel. There are retirees from the corporate world who come and work for the Federal government for 5 years to vest in a Federal retirement so that they can qualify for Federal employee health insurance. Retirees from IBM; retirees even from BC/BS!)

McCabe, sure, he can still file for an annuity based on his 19+ years of loyal, patriotic service -- when he's 56 if he wants a pension reduced by 30% , or at 62, if he wants a pension based on his service and 19+% of his salary instead of 34.25%. But the pension, called a "deferred annuity" does not include health insurance benefits.

(And to clarify: he would have been eligible for what is referred to as the FERS Annuity Supplement, added to his 34.35% annuity until he turned 62. The combined total would have been between $70,000 and $75,000, reverting to about $60,000 at 62 when the Supplement stops and he becomes eligible for Social Security benefits.)

(Since the reason for his firing is obvious, regardless what the s.o.b.'s at DOJ may have conjured up to justify his firing, he should win not only his full annuity rights but, possibly, back pay as well. There can also be punitive damages awarded which, I hope, include a large chunk of Jeff Sessions hide.)

Since I don't think he officially retired, he can at a later date get a job in a covered position and then retire from that job.

That's where the insidiousness of Sessions and Trump's play comes into evil focus. McCabe, if he lacked the 20 years of LEO service, will never qualify (short of a successful lawsuit) for the "Special Provisions" retirement afforded to law enforcement officers, fire fighters, air traffic controllers, and other Federal employee positions. (Actually, the one way he could re-assert his right to a LEO retirement at this stage of the game would be if he came into Federal government work in a "primary" LEO position, one which would require him to hit the streets looking for bad guys -- as opposed to working a desk -- and he'd have to do that for 3 full years. That done, his previous 19+ years of LEO service would count and he could retire with a total of, I guess, 22+ years of LEO service, and 34.25% of his salary, plus his health insurance.)

If he lacked the 20 years of service and returned to Federal work in a non-LEO position he could regain his retirement eligibility but not his right to the LEO annuity formula. 20 years of LEO service gives him 34.25% of his salary; 20 years of service retiring under the regular annuity formula would give him 20-22%.

I'm not clear on whether he missed 20 years by 2 days, or if he had served the 20 LEO years but was 2 days shy of his 50th birthday. If the latter, he could return to Federal work for even one full day and be able to retire under the LEO formula. (I'm assuming that, though he was officially fired "for cause" which would make him ineligible for the LEO formula, the "for cause" would not hold up on appeal because it was so blatantly political.)

(By the way, one reason LEOs and others get special treatment in retirement is because they are, by law, required to retire, mandatorily, at age 57. Most other Federal employees retiree after that age, with a significant number retiring past 60 and later.)

Why couldn't he go back in as an LEO, something that's not likely now but could happen under a new administration?

A LEO qualifies for the "special provisions" retirement at age 50 if -- and only if -- he has attained 20 years of LEO service by that time. But there's a catch: The 20 years of LEO service count for retirement only if he began his run of 20 with 3 consecutive years of what is called "primary LEO duty" which involves active pursuit and investigation of criminal activity. Once he or she has performed the 3 years, he or she can then move to what is called a "supervisory position" which usually involves less active pursuit and investigation and more supervision of other LEOs who are doing the grunt work. (Many LEOs, and McCabe is, I believe one of them, work many more than 3 years in primary roles, but I digress.)

Now the path to that 20 years of qualifying LEO service is broken once the LEO leaves a Law Enforcement position. Some officers quit or just move to a less stressful Federal position outside of Law Enforcement. If they accrued several years of LEO service before that break, its too bad! The only way they can get back on the 20-years-of-LEO qualifying train is, first, to re-enter LEO service in a primary position for 3 full, consecutive years. If they do that, then all of their previous service is again counted for LEO retirement. If they do not do that (3 years as primary) they lose LEO credit for everything.And that may be McCabe's dilemma: if he was 2 days shy of his 20 LEO years when he was fired, even if he is reinstated to a Federal position --- even a supervisory LEO position! -- he will not qualify for a LEO "special revisions" retirement.

The odd thing is, if he did have his 20 years of LEO and was only 2 days shy of his 50th birthday, it would be an entirely different situation. In that case he could qualify for LEO retirement by simply returning to Federal service in ANY capacity, even as a mail room clerk for the Post Office!, and retire with the higher LEO pension and other benefits. But even in that case, there's a stumbling block because Trump-Sessions officially fired him "for cause" which might prevent him from regaining LEO retirement status regardless, although he is very likely to win any appeal -- whether through Federal channels or the courts.

But, to cut the gordian knot here: if Trump loses in 2020, McCabe can be reinstated by the new president and regain his LEO pension rights and, of course, the honor which he earned during his term of service, often risking his life for his country, which is a damned sight more than either of the cowards who fired him can say for themselves.

He was fired two days before his 50th birthday after nearly 22 years of service, so we're probably looking at the second scenario you described. That may be one of the reasons he's saying since, if being fired "for cause" might make him ineligible to regain LEO status, he would need to challenge that.

Another Trump related attack on the FBI.

Just asking....

He seems self-motivated.

What do they hope to gain?

Exposure of Trump's slander, and compensation for lost income.

What did you think they hoped to gain?

The acknowledgement that they were illegally and wrongfully terminated simply because they didn't support trumpie, who like the spoiled brat/bully bastard that he is, felt threatened ?

And dueling is illegal.

whereas McCabe was not a political appointee but instead in the ranks of the civil service and civil servants can't just be fired at will by Trump as could Comey, so McCabe definitely has a strong case considering the lack of merit of grounds of his firing and timing that was very unfair without proper due process.

IIRC, MF45 fired him 2 or three days before McCabe would be vested in his pension benefits.

When he illegally had McCabe fired, it wasn't just McCabe he was dicking with.

He'll need to get a job in federal law enforcement for a few days. That's not likely to happen as long as this administration's in place - and he will have lost probably tens of thousands of dollars in pension benefits in the meantime - but he's not completely screwed.

him for the few days, so he could qualify iirc ?

It I think he has to work in the executive branch in order for those additional days to best at the hire pension.

Normally serves 10 years. He was appointed by Bush 43 and in keeping with that tradition Obama reappointed him. He was not covered by civil service protections so not likely.

He was appointed by Obama as I recall. Comey worked for Ashcroft while under Bush, however, and stood up to Bush/Cheney while Ashcroft was incapacitated, which was probably part of his appeal with Obama. Ultimately, however, it turned out to be a bad appointment.

The objection Comey, et. al, had was NOT to the torture, etc. that Bush/Cheney wanted to do. It was a PROCESS argument: They did not yet have the legal underpinnings in place. Three days after the hospital stunt, the DOJ had the paperwork in place with policy justification and Bush/Cheney were good to go with their evil agenda. Funny how the whole "Comey as savior" story developed long after the actual incident. Funnier still that this mythical story always ends at the night of the hospital with no mention of what then occurred JUST A FEW DAYS LATER. This is exactly how propaganda rewrites actual history, even to the point that unwitting Democrats repeat it over and over and over.

I wasn't trying to lionize Comey, just pointing out what he was said to have done and why Obama might have decided to pick him.

The onus is on each and every one of us to ask ourselves what it is that we actually "know," particularly when it sounds too good to be true---"Look over here, a Republican stood up to a Republican!"

The fact that this is all a lot of people "know" about this story only points to just how effective the propaganda is.

BTW, not a personal thing. Have read some of your other posts and know your heart is in the right place. Just an educational thing in hopes that yet one more person will stop repeating the myth and maybe start pointing it out to others.

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So, the first two's firings would be subject to Federal Employee hiring/firing rules & regulations. Comey would not.

but then McConnell has been busy loading the courts.

if you haven't, I recommend his book.

... but Andrew McCabe definitely has a good case. I'm sure he can prove malfeasance one way or another.

Comey did have a 10 year contract, as I understand it. Chump broke the contract when he fired Comey, but there's probably a clause that says he serves at the "President's pleasure" blah-blah-bah.

Although he was appointed to a 10-year term, he could be fired at any time for any reason.

I know you can’t be fired just for your race, gender, etc, or because you are whistleblowing or filing a legit claim of harassment, but other than that I’ve always been told in the USA employment he atvwill and you can be fired for any reason.

So even if drumpf did fire him for purely political reasons, does that even matter? Unless you can prove the firing was to obstruct justice?