They aren't wanted, but sticking it to the Libs there seem to give the pigs orgasms.

I'd advise the Patriot Prayer and Proud Boy contingents to not mess with Portland soccer fans.

That'll be wild.

Timbers in a mood.

One of six victory lap friendlies.

that this antifa is a legitimate group. If it is, the will be doing harm just when we are making progress. If you cannot demonstrate peacefully with your face uncovered, you are up to no good.

Other than opposing Fascism?

at the WTO meetings. They are just using these marches as an excuse to fight.

I suggest you learn about Josh Duke's story. The vast majority of Antifa (and PNW Anarchists) are principled leftists who'd give you the shirt off their back.

I am suggesting that a few infiltrators are there to stoke violence. I would not be surprised if, in reality those young men are members of a white supremacist group.

It's possible, but anything's possible (except Trump demonstrating empathy for a human other than himself).

Go read the Rose City Antifa website and learn.

The nonsense that "antifa" is violent is an elaborate, fictitious rouse. Antifa isn't even a real group - it's an abbreviation that simply means anti-fascist, which ANY person with common sense in today's waking nightmare can claim.

You don't need to hide behind masks or want to break shit or needlessly pick fights to do that.

He attempts to provoke.

Antifa are not MLK combined with Ghandi. Only in America is opposing violence with perfect non-violence the standard.

white supremacist groups, which is a very real thing. Many people who have opposed them have had their places of employment bombarded with phone calls, they've had threatening messages left on their phones, and have had their homes vandalized.

If you can't acknowledge the need to protect oneself from such harassment, then you are up to no good in that you are allowing it to occur. Wake the fuck up.

I don’t know what their deal is or who they are. But I don’t trust them.

That's their deal. No big mystery to it. It's a good thing that you don't know who they are. That means they're doing something right.

Of damage behind them.

Novemeber of 2016
https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2016/11/pearl_district_ne_portland_wak.html

The May Day riot in May of 2017
https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2017/05/portland_may_day_demonstration.html

I could care less is some folks bust some windows out to protest that.

protest in 2017 Familes etc, but these clowns hijacked them both and fed right into the rights narrative.

It doesn't matter if you're peaceful, they don't care. They will call you weak, a terrorist, or a traitor, and they will view your pacifism with disgust. It will only encourage them to be more violent in the future, because they feel that they have no real opposition.

If you fight them with force, they will whine and yell and cry bloody murder, and still call you a terrorist and a traitor. It doesn't matter which path you choose. They will hate you either way.

to others is an @$$hole no matter what there cause is.

And they have not killed anybody, in nearly 30 years of their activity. And anybody who values corporate property over the survival of the human race is a much bigger asshole than Antifa could ever hope to be.

No leadership, no central organization, no coherent messaging, a bunch of guys who wear masks and refuse to identify themselves, guys who like sticks and rocks and breaking stuff, guys who believe the best way to deal with angry neo-Nazis is to amplify them instead of ignoring them......

I mean, I just have no idea why most liberals don't embrace them or trust them or view them as legitimate.

No clue at all.

That's not going to stop me from speaking out in support of them. I really could care less if I'm selling a bunch of people who think posting and bitching on an anonymous internet board and voting once every two years is the height of resistance while those doing the heavy lifting are out there actually making a difference and getting nothing but scorn from them.

And if you knew the first thing about history, you would know that ignoring fascism when it's still in it's early stages is pretty much the dumbest thing you can possibly do. Lots of people thought Hitler would go away if they just ignored him too. We all know how that worked out.

Antifa don't want Liberals to embrace them. They want you to stay out of the way and let them fight Fascism.

Which is growing all over the planet again.

They're in the White House and Congress and state legislatures. They're on the judge's benches and in the corporate boardrooms, in ICE and other law enforcement, in the think tanks and the RW propaganda apparatus, and too many other places to name.

Anyone who thinks that beating up some punks in the streets and destroying property is even going to touch the real fascists is incredibly naive or living in a fantasy world.

That's JMHO.

Or the 2 gentlemen defending a Muslim Immigrant from abuse on the Portland Max train. Oh, right, you can't, because Fascists killed them.

All Fascists, at every level, merit opposition.

They're in the streets, they're in the government, and they're in corporations. And I choose to fight them on every front, in the streets, at the ballot box, and with my dollars.

"I don’t know what their deal is or who they are. But I don’t trust them."

And that's Americanism, distilled down to its very essence.

ridiculous. They're out there to stir sh!t up. That's all. Are they as bad as the Alt Right? No. Are they good people? LOL. NO.

I'll take Antifa over you any day.

Marched, protested, been arrested, been tear gassed, been pepper sprayed.

Not that I really have to justify anything to you.

Never slayed anybody. I leave that to the actual fascists. And not every fascist is a German, sorry to break it to you.

Funny how cowards like you who always bitch from the sidelines are never anywhere to be found during moments like that. But feel free to pat your apathetic behind about how much better you do it.

I've alerted on you. Now fuck off. I have better things to do than be your distraction from the cavern of your mom's basement.

Spoiler alert: It involved some illegal breakaway marches, street blockades, and civil disobedience.

IMO the reason you wore masks was because you were breaking the law. And a lot of law enforcement are union members who vote Democratic

And even if I did, law enforcement can go fuck itself. Most of them vote Republican and I could give a shit if they have a problem with resistance to fascist government, even if it does break the law. Hundreds of thousands of people died needlessly in Iraq, so maybe they should stop being good little errand boy and girl bitches and come out and join us for a change instead of protecting the criminal powers that be. Plus, I saw more than a few abuses by them against people that didn't deserve it, so the last thing I'm going to do is waste my time worrying about whether or not they have a problem with any of it.

San Francisco is the answer to your question.

“The planet is burning and we are descending into fascism” No it’s not. You need to start questioning whoever is teaching you that bullshit

The Amazon is on fire, half my city burned down two years ago (Santa Rosa, CA, look it up). The entire town of Paradise, CA is gone, and I choked on the smoke from it for WEEKS. I've lived here for more than 30 years, this is NOT normal. So nobody has to teach me anything. I've lived through it and seen it with my own eyes.

And yes, we grow more fascist all the time. Wake up and question whoever is telling you that all is well.

I doubt I'll be out there with them anytime soon. I've got a respectable job and a family to feed. But I respect what they do. If the fascists were coming to my town on a hot summer's day, perhaps I'd serve iced tea to the antifascists.

Here, they scared the fascists into not even showing up, near my neck of the woods. Not all hid their faces.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/rightwing-rally-fizzles-in-georgia-kkk-burned-in-effigy_n_5c5678c7e4b09293b204c473

I can imagine that they would be tired of this shit.

Doubt that would be as effective as you think, though.

They ask for a permit to gather in public space.

George HW Bush called Portland "Little Beirut"

Antifa are allies doing important work, and deserve your support, or at least your tolerance.

They have mine, despite the heinous crime of tossing milkshakes at Fascists.

Read before you condemn: https://rosecityantifa.org/

Just telling families and tourists what to expect in Portland that weekend.

People DO often get hurt at these clashes.

Injuries to bystanders are exceedingly rare.

And strikes me as a cointelpro type of operation.

That explanation and excuse for them is downright old. Trust me, they're legit.

You don't need to blame the government for everything. Antifa is very much legit.

And I've been to plenty of marches where Antifa was around. And to this day, I'm glad they were there. You want them on your side if things get dicey.

If I can do it, so can you or anybody else.

Unsuspecting families and tourists can come upon the mayhem and get hurt.

That's why the mayor and police issue the warning.

It's not that hard.

Portland. Both were Alt-Right Rallies that others showed up to protest against, including Antifa, were being protested against by Antifa. There was some trouble at both. But I felt pretty safe. There were lots of law enforcement. Took a lot of up close pictures and some video in Denver especially.

Antifa appeared to be almost entirely very young people. I would say the majority of them appeared to be between 18 and 22 or 23. There were probably some a bit younger and a bit older. I was that age during the Vietnam days. The passion was familiar to me. I talked with a few of them. What I heard was objection to racism, bigotry,. and the corruption and corporatization of our political system and elections. Can't say that found any of this alarming or off-base. I think they are trying to be good patriots, and like many of us in the Vietnam era, sometimes get carried away with their passion.

One disclaimer: that is my impression. I haven't done a lot of research into Antifa. Entirely based on a couple of relatively short face-to-face, up close and personal interaction/experience. I could be wrong -- but for now, I think they are acting with good intents.

That’s the only thing I know to be true about them.

Any group that gets the right all riled up like they do is doing something right.

These folks seem legit, at least the ATL folks. That's just my gut though. I'm not involved with them.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/rightwing-rally-fizzles-in-georgia-kkk-burned-in-effigy_n_5c5678c7e4b09293b204c473

Go down there loud and clear in in huge numbers and reclaim your city from the fascists. Ceding the territory to them out of fear is the worst advice I've ever heard.

If I was going I would definitely be up for kicking some Proud Boy ass!

We need more of that. Not this nambly pambly cowardly bullshit about running and hiding or worrying about feeding into the right's narrative. We are under attack by these fascists. It's long past time to fight back.

The only way to properly fight a bully is to kick their asses.

about "Antifa, that makes any sense. I believe they're paid to play. Perception is reality.

But the reality is, they fund themselves.

Here's another clergy member on Antifa, who was saved by them when the Nazis tried to stomp them while they engaged in "peaceful protest" in Charlottesville, which most of the people here rather misguidedly think will save them when the fascists come knocking. He credits Antifa with saving their lives.

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=10155598308598279

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I wonder how many members are actually infiltrators.

That's a tired and worn out accusation that has very little bearing on reality. And what infiltrators there really are have little influence over what the organization does as a whole.

Will Antifa show up at the Democratic convention next year and make trouble?

I remember well what happened in Chicago in 1968, and who won that year's election.

We've got far bigger problems than that remote possibility.

And Madison, Wisconsin is not that far from Chicago, Illinois. It would not be surprising to me to find it would be a battleground between pro-Trump and anti-Trump forces all looking for face time on TV.

they won't be there to "make trouble". they have no interest in publicity.

"anti-trump forces" are basically every American with a brain at this point.

please read up; you're making assumptions that are incorrect.

is the same sorts as have protested the WTO conferences, and those protesters engaged in a lot of violence.

I'm sure there are some of them who might legitimately think they are doing something, and others who might do it just to give them an excuse to break shit, but I'm sure there's a significant force there who are determined to strawman us and make this the face of the left.

And has spent most of his life listening to conspiracy horseshit on the internet.

That’s right up there with the Alex Jones, we’re all headed to a underground FEMA death camp in abandoned Walmart’s.

Do people really believe that we are days away from ICE dragging people out of house’s and shooting them in the head?

It was written not by an Antifa member, but just a regular Joe who attended the Charlottesville counter protest and spent the day brawling with Nazis. Read this and see why liberals need to stop being a bunch of whiny cowards when it comes to defending ourselves from fascists and racists.

He also makes the point that it was Antifa, and Antifa alone, who shut down the Unite the Right rally that day. It was not the peaceful protesters, it certainly wasn't the police, and it wasn't the damn ACLU, who went to court for the Nazis right to hold the most violent protest the U.S. has seen in generations. Nope, it was Antifa.

Show them some gratitude, and if you're too big of a chickenshit to do that, get out of their way and stop bashing them while they do the business you're too weak to do.

https://crimethinc.com/2017/08/17/why-we-fought-in-charlottesville-a-letter-from-an-anti-fascist-on-the-dangers-ahead

"I am one of the thousands of people who confronted Nazis and white supremacists in Charlottesville, Virginia last weekend. I am a blue-collar person, with a job, family, and responsibilities. I would have preferred to do other things with my weekend. However, I had to ask myself: If these people are allowed to run roughshod over this town, what will they do next?

No, I did not behave peacefully when I saw a thousand Nazis occupy a sizable American city. I fought them with the most persuasive instruments at hand, the way both my grandfathers did. I was maced, punched, kicked, and beaten with sticks, but I gave as good as I got, and usually better. Donald Trump says that “there was violence on both sides.” Of course there was. I might add that there were not murderers on both sides—but that’s not really my point.

I would like to ask a different question. What would have happened if there had not been violence on both sides? What would have happened if there had only been violence on one side?

On the night of Friday, August 11, 2017, I saw something that I never thought I would see, and that I hope I never see again: 500 Nazis and white supremacists marching across the campus of the University of Virginia while police did nothing, surrounding 30 counter-demonstrators who were holding hands around a statue of Thomas Jefferson, and beating them with torches while calling them “nigger” and “boy.” By the end of the night, it was clear to me that the “Unite the Right” march had been organized for the express purpose of killing people on Saturday."

I'll be there that weekend. May have to stay on the Washington side of the border.

.....205 for paving sections, and other streets for MAX repairs and MAX trains may be delayed by half hour-hour and fewer trains will be running on the lines.

Check with Tri-Met.org if you are going to need to use MAX.

And the freeway delays are available here: https://www.kxl.com/weekend-closure-i-205-nb-foster-to-i-84/

I just hope I can catch a ride from a friend willing to drive into Portland after I turn the rental car in. I pick an off-airport location to keep the cost down.

I-205 is my preferred route, but I might use I-5 instead.