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lostnfound

(16,189 posts)
Wed Aug 14, 2019, 08:37 AM Aug 2019

Thought experiment. What if it was a heist?

It’s totally believable that the bumbling conMan that runs the justice department accidentally on purpose allowed Epstein to kill himself. Made it easy for him.

It’s plausible that it was pure incompetence, and it’s plausible that Epstein’s continued existence at this point was counterproductive to the interests of some people in power. So much easier to sweep things under the rug with him gone.

On the other hand, there are elements of the story that could make for a far more interesting and far more complicated spy story. Two young guys being groomed for an Oh So Social club by a father who is already in it —one who plays stern headmaster at the high school by day after a career of playing spy games by day and night. His son Mr Silver dreams of following in his dad’s footsteps. The man who will become Mr Gold is sadistic and focused, but rather smooth; reportedly “interesting” and curious, will be useful. Maybe he gets tips and learns tricks from the guy who hired him. Someone helped him get a job at Bear Stearns.

He builds a life where Secrets come to light, and get buried and hidden, and he plays a twisted game of feeding appetites, extortion played with velvet gloves, and enough powerful people at the party to hide the trees in the forest. Extortion using the tool of a siphon – – It’s not really extortion if the extorted ones don’t lose the principal, they just get charged high fees. And ask for favors from the rich and powerful, in the “I’ll scratch your back if you scratch mine” frame of thinking.

Once in a while, when needed, the well of dark secrets can be tapped and a few pieces of information handed over to those who will use it. Maybe for a mix of clients — but people don’t upset the apple cart.

Decades later, a fortune has been amassed, and a giant hornets’ nest of komprommat that no one wants to tangle with. Decades later, this is threatened, perhaps by a couple of persistent reporters and some brave victims. Inconveniently, the game gets exposed, and 18 months of super soft time in the club med person isn’t going to be sufficient to sweep it back under the rug. This time.

This powerful well of information is a valuable lever to those who wield it. Maybe there’s a kill switch — Tons of information will be exposed is the man dies of anything other than natural causes. He’s smart enough to know I can make it look like suicide. Maybe the information is desired.

Maybe the deal is, “We fake your suicide, we give you a new identity, we take over your extortion enterprise.”

BEGINNING OF THOUGHT EXPERIMENT....
So now comes the bank heist part of the movie.. Except you’re not trying to get the gold out; you’re trying to get Mr Gold out with a new identity, and no one the wiser. So how would you do it?

You start with a little cover story of a failed suicide attempt. So.. how or why did Mr Gold get an apparent neck injury in an apparent suicide attempt before his apparently successful apparent suicide?

You add a little mild sedative to the coffee of Some overworked substitute guards. Who knows where they came from? Might be helpful if one of them was part of your team, easy to send in your new guy if the place is. understaffed and turnover is high.. or it might be unnecessary..depending on the method and the drugs Mr Gold takes.. You put Mr Gold in an ambulance, and elsewhere, a different ambulance takes a freshly dead look-alike to an unnamed hospital?

Was there such a hospital? They haven’t named the hospital, have they — but of course patient privacy rules would ensure that no one there would want to talk about it. But maybe you just send a freshly dead look-alike to the coroner. I don’t know where or how you get one of those, but people who Socialized in certain circles might have their methods. I also don’t know how much effort a coroner puts in to identity verification if the body is not a John Doe but iOS brought as a person with a name. Dental records? Surely not DNA?

END OF THOUGHT EXPERIMENT.

What is the minimum number of disruptions in the universe that must be made to accomplish this heist? What is the maximum number of obfuscations, smoke, faked solicitude and ambiguities that you can provide, to discourage anyone from noticing or digging up inconsistencies?

Why bother? Mr Silver and many others would seem to.be better off with Mr Gold gone. So why bother? To stop the kill switch from being activated perhaps, or because he really was an insider with a long history? Or to get information as needed to obtain and maintain access to the controls of Mr Gold’s treasure troves?

In any case, I expect dark demons will arise from that treasure trove, but the scary thing is, they won’t all be real. Combine footage of the innocent partygoers with the disgusting ones, and no one will be in a position to dispute it. They don’t have to be prosecuted, just taken down, tainted with the stench of having been involved and Mr. Gold’s debauchery.


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Thought experiment. What if it was a heist? (Original Post) lostnfound Aug 2019 OP
Great read. Could be? Or too convoluted? Srkdqltr Aug 2019 #1
I wish somebody would "leak" this to the news media... Lucid Dreamer Aug 2019 #2

Lucid Dreamer

(584 posts)
2. I wish somebody would "leak" this to the news media...
Wed Aug 14, 2019, 09:43 AM
Aug 2019

and see which network ends up with it published or aired first. Hee hee.

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