Dr. Sampson oversaw the autopsy on Jeffrey Epstein.

I guess there was a desire to find a conspiracy. The Examiner's work blows part of that possibility out of the water, so some are disappointed.

The Chief Medical Examiner does have an impressive resume. I see no reason why she would throw away an impressive lifetime of work to help scumbags cover up a murder.

The OP gave the context of the Doctor's job in the first paragraph. Even I knew that Epstein was given an autopsy in the New York Medical Examiner's office and to tell the truth, I have spent most of this week with my head up my ass. So you should certainly have been able to connect the dots with the information the OP gave and knowledge of current events.

to be hanging on such details. I knew that an autopsy had been done but didn't bother to remember exactly where it was done or by whom.

Don't tell me you just went there.

But the prison and Barr are guilty of negligence.

No udders were involved, to my knowledge.

a whole lot of people. I am sure there are pathologists who could get away with stuff but I do not know any who would want to try. I used to work in a lab before I became a nurse. It would be hard for results to go out without more than just the pathologist knowing the results. They all go through the results on big cases and agree on the results. It would probably not be impossible but I would think that with a big case they would all be checking each other to be certain nothing is missed.

I’m a vet path. Assuming paths for (only ) humans are similar, that’s what we do for any high profile case or necropsy/autopsy that will have major implications (i.e., litigation, quarantine, cull). Rarely does a path want all that on his/her shoulders alone.

Otherwise you end up in the paper when the end up needing to exhume someone later.

DU-ers ragging on an accomplished woman?

Are you at the right site?

You want to see DUers calling her a liar?

Go here:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142355877

I am at DU. And they will be lining up to call her a corrupt liar just as soon as the news is more widely published.

I will bet you that most of them will assume the ME is a "he" while they are at it.

If that's what the evidence shows, that's what it shows.

Was paid/scared off.

Incompetent.

Or somesuch.

Who here is disparaging Dr. Barbara Sampson?

The two who have popped up in this thread... are they not DUers?

I wanted to have a one-stop link in order to refer to her credentials, instead of having to cut and paste each time.

Oh, and one of our members believes she's a coward.

BUT -

Your thread title:

"The Pioneering Woman Of Science Whom DUers Are Going To Attack And Smear"

and this statement:

"Go ahead and smear her your best, DU."

are indeed generalizations and totally unnecessary.

is a poor way to make your point.

What is your goal?

Do you think people are going to want to listen to you after you've attacked them?

If the comments do not apply to you, then they do not apply to you.

See, e.g. "not all white people" - https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=%22not+all+white+people%22+site%3Ademocraticunderground.com

What is interesting is the number of people who have their knickers in a twist over the choice of phrase used to refer to "persons who post to DU" versus the number of people who are impressed by Dr. Sampson's qualifications.

Oddly, a number of people have rec'd and otherwise approved this post. I can't imagine who they might be.

More probable than usually to be true and no smear.

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Evidence from her office has been used to lock up mob killers, drug gangsters, and the lowest of the lowlife imaginable in NYC.

But this time they got to her.

And you are going to go with that?

Too bad she couldn't have kept any, you know, EVIDENCE of being threatened, since that wouldn't have occurred to her.

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But if you are going to threaten someone, you need to make sure of three things:

1. That your threat will be believed,

2. That your threat will work, and

3. That your threat will not leave any evidence in the event that it doesn't work.

1 and 3 are in tension with each other.

Remarkably, officials get threatened by all sorts of people all of the time. A high-ranking official of the administration of Bill de Blasio is very unlikely to simply fold and falsify a report on an autopsy that had a number of sets of eyeballs - including an outside expert and former CME of NYC - on it.

Were they all threatened?

Well said.

Sid

Happy?

it saves me having to look them up. They are quite impressive. I was around some MD plus PHD candidates in the early 70s. The few women in that mainly male course of study were incredibly intelligent and had backbones of steel.

territory that had previously been male-dominated. I found that to be true in a different line of work.

Also, never assume incompetence to be the cause of anything if a believing a conspiracy theory is more fun, and never try shaving with Bill Ockham's razor.

Defanged the attack before it got going.

I'm constantly surprised by how many people don't understand the fundamental details of how our government works. Federal, state, and local agencies just seem to blur together in many people's minds.

this woman, who is evidently well qualified to give her professional opinion. I certainly will not disparage her or her findings. But, I will point out that the history of high profile, and lesser cases, is replete with conflicting opinions regarding autopsy results, from a myriad of experts. I always believe the more qualified people who look at the evidence the better, within reason. Accusing someone with having an agenda in their findings without any proof of questionable motives is ignorant behavior. Reserving final judgement and examining all details and permutations of the scientific results is legitimate.

Epstein is the morally and ethically corrupt piece of shit. I’m sure the medical examiner would rather have no affiliation with any of this.

And I don't see why you're surprised people remain skeptical. We've all seen far too many events like this that protect the status quo.

On the other hand, there are some who've never heard a government explanation they weren't willing to promote.

The problem isn't her, it's that nobody here trusts Bill Barr (for good reason)

On it. Saying no one is immune to threats doesn't mean the threat came from the inside.

I do find it curious that there are people who will always buy the official story and never ask questions.

...belongs on a "right wing site"?

You're going to have to try harder.

when the objective is to break ones neck being hung. That Epstein didn't have a drop to break his vertebra, the fact is he was strangled by his noose and it broke bones the same way strangulation would have.

Its no secret and its been op'd here in the past the many suicide watch jail inmates in this country who commit suicide because of lazy/undermanned/overworked staff.

Some people need to apply Occam's razor to this event.

I agree with everything JBerry's posted about this.

It is a small bone in the front of the neck below the chin, and is relatively easily broken:



It is usually protected by the jaw.

And, as you note, it is not some kind of indicator that someone was strangled by another person:

Brooklynite posted this studiously-ignored article:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=12385016

the drop required to break his vertebra, the noose sill broke bones in his neck. And I believe if he were leaning forward as he hung he certainly would have, he had a great chance to break his Hyoid. I've seen a few photos of jailhouse hangings and they tend to be leaning forward when they're found.

I consulted with my sister when she represented a family suing Harris County after deputies killed and then hung an inmate. And I got to see the photo of a farmer who had hung himself off a line that didn't get his feet off the ground in Iowa just before the bank was going to auction his farm. And a nephew hung himself on the clothesline in my cousin's basement.

I don't need to see anymore hanging photos the rest of my life.

Sheesh, dude I AGREE with you. And we both know how unusual that is.

I simply added the point about the bone in question for precision.

You might consider the meaning of the phrase "as you note" in my post, indicating general agreement.

How very artful!

I hadn't heard. I still haven't.

Fucking hilarious!

is how fast the tox results came in.

Usually they take about three weeks on average.

Clearly, you've been here a long time, so you should know by now that DU has its share of contrarians, skeptics, and conspiracy theory enthusiasts. This is nothing new, and Epstein is just the latest CT du jour.

But those posters are generally a small part of the overall population. I'm not sure how making broad generalizations about DU as though everyone is like that accomplishes anything.

"But those posters are generally a small part of the overall population"

Ah, may I see your Generalization License?

And could you let me know where I can get one?

There are hundreds or thousands of active posters on DU. The ones who are advancing CTs about Epstein's autopsy are a tiny fraction of that. Simple math.

Even among those who are posting on the topic, the same few posters seem to be the ones pushing the most outlandish theories.

You seem to think that condescension and lumping everyone into nice, neat groups is going to convince people of your positions. It's likely to do the opposite, as it clearly has in this thread.

As others have noted, I think you're just trying to stir shit up. Mission accomplished.

was enabled by incompetence or an intentional plan to take him off suicide watch. It does not mean others were not involved.

once someone makes up their mind that a conspiracy has taken place, no amount of evidence produced can ever change their mind, because the evidence is part of the conspiracy. So since we all despise drumpf/Barr, we assume they had Epstein killed, and therefor no other evidence makes an difference.

BTW... this is the EXACT same reasoning MAGAts use to conclude that bill and Hillary had epstein murdered, and the exact same reason none of them will chance their mind.

The replies to the OP in this thread are very upsetting. Makes me think DU is nothing more than freeperville seen through blue colored glasses instead of red.

in every level of government is trumps whore.

In fact, the many vacant posts in the trump administration indicate there's an acute shortage of trump whores and it may be growing.

The majority of DUers aren't making judgements over this person's judgment. If some do, it's just the nature of a public forum.

I don't see why you started this thread criticizing DUers for the comments of a few.

i'm willing to accept that the person she examined somehow managed to hang himself, maybe with a little encouragement.

I think you are underestimating what money can accomplish.

2 guards asleep on the job?

killing Epstein (or his suicide) does not stop the release of his "material," video from his years of entertaining the rich and famous.

no one who matters wants Epstein dead. they just want him quiet.

Guards sleeping isn't unheard of. Multiple guards sleeping? Not unheard of, especially in this day and age of people working multiple jobs just to pay their bills.

I saw guards napping in empty cells, locker rooms, cafeteria/break room, in transport vehicles-anywhere they could catch a few zzz.

It's not uncommon to see them also working security at a Walmart, sporting events,etc. They're just as exhausted.

Public sector jobs don't pay well. People do what they can to survive. If it means working three jobs and cat naps at one, so be it.

Frankly I resent the broad brush that paints most DUers as sinners because a handful are not too smart. Generalizations are pretty lazy ways to make your point.

Which means all of us.

I posted a thread attacking myself?

If the comments do not apply to you, then they do not apply to you.

Just like "white people" or anything else.

You didn't limit your comments to a small group, or any group, or DUers. You slammed the site in general.

"not all white people" - https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=%22not+all+white+people%22

And, as seen many times on DU:

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=%22not+all+white+people%22+site%3Ademocraticunderground.com

The people who are rec'ing this thread... are they DUers too?

out of the post, if you weren't trying to deliberately insult DU.

White people are more likely than other races, as a group, to support Trump.

HOWEVER, there is zero evidence that DUers are more likely, as a group, to disparage the Medical Examiner. Your analogy fails.

when it didn't add to the logic or grammatical simplicity of either sentence.

People anywhere, on DU and off, might have the view that you described.

....who seem to relish in sniffing down on many others here, like they are above it all. The same ones, every time.

... proves she is a character on Law and Order SVU. Clearly a Soros funded crisis actor hired by the Illuminati to protect chem trail manufacturers at Monsanto from vaccination toxins and pizza.

Biden too. Damn. I always suspected he wasn’t real.

who took Epstein's roommate away, and left him alone in the room with the means to hang himself -- after a previous attempt to hang himself.

For myself I would like to see all the autopsy with photos, photos of the cell and drawings of his body position as found. Perhaps then my skepticism will be allayed. But I assure you your words and attitude will not.

Nothing actually.