Preponderance of evidence does not point to natural, accidental, murder, or suicide, they also have the option of "undetermined" .

undetermined.


I believe he was murdered and I believe she had no choice but to come to this conclusion the same way Mueller said since he couldnt get witnesses to tell the truth he could not get evidence of conspiracy.

if they did not feel think most the evidence pointed to the manner they chose. Not just in this case, but in any case & for any of the manners listed.

I used to know a forensic pathologist with the local ME's office and she would talk in general terms about cases where there is suspcion of a murder or suicide but no concrete proof. If an ME calls a murder an accident, natural causes, or suicide, it can be very difficult for the prosecutor to bring a case should new evidence arrive. As a rule, for the family's sake (though maybe not in this case), the M.E. doesn't want to call a death a suicide if it was not. In cases like that, "undetermined" is the best option.

I am skeptical in this case. Epstein may indeed have hanged himself, but I can't help believe he had some excellent help making it look like that & that may be what led the doctor to her conclusion. And, just to add a little tinfoil, we don't know what pressures may have been brought to bear to list a manner of death.

Maybe that’s why she chose a?

Seems reasonable.

Any evidence of a struggle. Although his hyoid bone was broken, this can happen, especially in an older person when the bones are more brittle, in cases of suicide by hanging and is not proof of homicide. But if someone was trying to strangle you, you'd struggle and you'd try to pry away whatever you were being strangled with, so there would be fingernail scratches and significant abrasions on your neck. But what if someone drugged him so he wouldn't struggle? The ME would have found evidence of that, too.

Suicidal hanging doesn't have to be from the ceiling. All it takes is something you can wrap around your neck, including your own clothing, and you can hang yourself by tying the other end of your "noose" to anything in the cell. You can hang yourself in a kneeling position if you're determined enough, and it actually happens pretty often in prisons. Epstein had experienced a life of great wealth, luxury and debauchery for years, but he was now facing the fact that he would spend the rest of his life in prison, probably isolated from the rest of the population. He was a narcissist, and narcissists commonly commit suicide when they fall from grace.

Occam's razor. The more assumptions you have to make to support a theory, the less likely it is to be correct.

But the russian mob could have killed him, an american based mob could have, hell the GOP could have arranged it for all we know.

His death CHANGES EVERYTHING, dershowitz and rump and others were going DOWN, believe it.

The DOJ, I fear, won't do theirs.

her trying to do her job.

Like Mueller, can only work with what they have.

People really shouldn't criticize her.

whenever there is a death under unusual, suspicious or undetermined circumstances. SOP in any medical examiner's office.

The ME... she has more experience then you guys who are second guessing with no evidence at all.
Just trashing her.

While is the bone injury found is very common in strangulation, it's also observed in a decent percentage of suicidal hangings.

good one

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because NOTHING else makes sense. I know it as I know rump did NOT win those 4 states, he had help on election day. No, cant prove it, but I am sure of it.

I am amazed how many are accepting this, sad even.

AGAIN the ME did what she could with the limited evidence she had.