He’s currently an American citizen because after helping the Republican Party, the party and Reagan allowed him to become a citizen in the 1980s.

That his sons aren’t as evil

And Lachlan is the conservative one and the one who is taking over the media side of Fox.

So the sons are just as bad.

vote for him anyway.

I was at a gathering a few weeks ago where I overheard a young Republican telling people that "Obama had increased the deficit". So I asked him "how do you know(?)" and he responded it was "common knowledge". So I asked where is it common (?) and he started driveling out some stuff about "just watching the news"; while meantime, I took out my phone and pulled up a website showing budget deficits each year during the Obama administration, and showed it to him. His response was "well, I hadn't seen that but I need to look at more sources because I can't trust this one", then immediately turned away from me and started a different side conversation with someone else.

It wasn't what he wanted to see, and I had made him look stupid. I highly doubt he will "look for other sources". He could have done that on the spot with his own phone or I would have gladly allowed him to use mine, but all he wanted to do was run from the conversation as fast as possible. And, I'm pretty sure it didn't change his mind about what he WANTS to believe.

Not saying we shouldn't point these things out but I have my doubts as to how effective it will actually be in terms of influencing people who think of themselves as Republicans not to vote for Trump. I think turning out our own voters and particularly the new first time voters is going to be the key to winning this election. I'm just not seeing many people who voted for him before showing much interest in changing their votes.

Either way.

Educate the ones who can be educated.
Shame the ones who can’t.


Remember Republicans desperately want us to avoid shaming trump voters. They want their voters to not think about politics much and just cruise into the voting booth thinking everything is normal and usual.
Our job is to prevent that. The president is a corrupt criminal and if they support him they are helping put kids in cages.

Make them feel uncomfortable. That is key.

First, he’s a young white male Republican. They mostly don’t care about facts, and they respond to emotion and anger. (Liberals don’t like that, and don’t like to do it, but it’s whats most effective with this personality type.)

Therefore, say this:
“Oh, that’s a lie. Did you know a rightwing billionaire owns Fox and he uses it to lie to suckers on the right so they’ll vote for tax cuts for billionaires? I bet your rightwing media didn’t even TELL YOU there was a $2 TRILLION tax cut for billionaires and you’re going to pay it back. Republicans are already trying to take your heathcare — and your parents’ Medicare — away to pay for that tax cut for billionaires.
You Sucker. You fool. You’re getting screwed by conservative billionaires and you believe their lies. Idiot.”


If you can say this in front of his (male) Republican friends, so much the better.

To liberals this approach sounds crazy. But it works.

Just be aware that your opinion also echoes what Republicans want us to say.

they know about and have access to many news sources.

they don't care about the truth about trump himself and his own failures and corruption. becsuse they agree with him in what he is doing to minorities. they overlook all that other things becsuse of agreement on his treatment of certain people.

As someone in a red area, I promise you that almost no trump voter knows that Rupert Murdoch designed Fox to lie to them. They don’t even know who Murdoch is.
They believe Fox is real.

It’s hard to imagine unless you live it.

I suggest watching “Brainwashing of My Dad”. And check back in here. I bet you change your mind about how much choice trump voters make about what’s true and what’s not.

and ears. They don't believe Reuters, print, or tv media. They don't believe the reports the govt publishes because they think the media messes with them. They won't believe anything bad about MF45 until it hits them square between the eyes.

Tell them it is their media that lies to them so its billionaire controllers can fleece them. Try it!

it would be one thing if this was about maybe one issue. let's say trade with China and they felt trump was right.

but when you get to defending things like forcing kids away from their parents and trumps attacking other human beings as infestations it says something about them.

And Goebbels.

Propaganda works.


It’s not our only problem. But it may be the biggest.

antisemitism was the norm in europe foe centuries before the holocaust.

As Hillary famously said, about half of Trump voters are deplorables that cannot be reached. And another half are fooled by lies.

There are some that can be reached, and in states like Wisconsin which are close and are also saturated by rightwing radio (hello @certainot) it pays off for us to fight rightwing propaganda there.