I don't give my clicks to sites that are hostile to Democrats.

goals as long as we promote blue dogs. Many of these goals supported by a clear majority of voters nationwide. And we wonder why so many hold the opinion that both parties are the same.

I understand pragmatism, but find it so damned frustrating.

just usually prefer more limited goals. Btw, there are 27 of them out of 235 in the house.

And that many moderate conservatives have always been progressive also. The Republican leadership says otherwise these days, so they don’t talk about it over there the way they used to. President Eisenhower proudly proclaimed himself a progressive conservative, as only one example of many. Every Republican president until this one has actually pursued some progressive goals In the middle of their small government goals. And if you ever chat with conservative neighbors and listen To what they say, not the vocabulary and slogans they use, you will find they want progressivism in government still even if their current leaders tell them they don’t.

Then there are, what, 89? members of the house progressive caucus? Of course, although they all consider themselves progressive, people like Sanders might be able to count on one hand the number they consider progressive. Then there are the 101 progressive liberals in the other caucus Sanders types like to dishonestly smear as conservative!

Since everything must be done by majority, if you really want to achieve your progressive goals, you need to ally with the 200-some progressives who do share your goals. Ten or less or over 200. That’s how it’s done, and it’s the only way it’s done. The choice is made is also a Measure of true progressivism, or something else.

No longer support Salon thou

I can see her point about blue dogs, but IMHO there was some backtracking in her statements.. such as President Obama went too far with health care agenda i.e. the big loss in 2010.

My biggest takeaway was one we already know. When Dems vote we win

people who will vote left if they vote, that will be highly advantageous to us.

One of our biggest worries has been that people don’t vote the same in presidential races as they do in local. Presidential is more ideological, local more practical. That more conservative voters who in the main theory helped give us the blue wave in the midterms would vote Republican in the general.

But if it was mostly large turnout of people who are basically leftist, then we don’t face the same big risk of losing a bunch of briefly swung voters. The same factors, Trump and the Republicans, if anything should have as or even larger effect in the general election.

The rest is detail about what would work and each micro area best.

in the GOP side, which would convince a few of them not to vote. Addressing the $1.2 trillion annual budget deficit for example

This game of reasonableness can be played in both directions

Racism is not the only reason MAGAts vote. They like tax cuts too, since they get most of the money - OR THINK THEY DO.