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Recursion

(56,582 posts)
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 10:17 AM Aug 2019

20 million pound Caribbean Reparations Agreement signed

https://dominicanewsonline.com/news/homepage/news/20-million-caribbean-reparations-agreement-signed/

The University of the West Indies (UWI) and the University of Glasgow have signed the first ever agreement for slavery reparations since British Emancipation in 1838. The £20 million agreement was signed at the Regional Headquarters of The UWI in Kingston, Jamaica on July 31, 2019 by Vice-Chancellor, Professor Sir Hilary Beckles and Dr David Duncan, University of Glasgow’s Chief Operating Officer, representing Vice-Chancellor, Professor Sir Anton Muscatelli.

The terms of the agreement call for the University of Glasgow to provide £20 million to fund research to promote development initiatives to be jointly undertaken with The UWI over the next two decades. The sum of £20 million was the amount paid to slave owners as reparations by the British government when it abolished slavery in 1834.

The agreement represents the first occasion on which a slavery-enriched British or European institution has apologized for its part in slavery and committed funds to facilitate a reparations programme. In this instance, the two universities have adopted a regional development approach to reparations.

The funds will facilitate the operations of a jointly-owned and managed institution to be called the Glasgow-Caribbean Centre for Development Research. The Centre will target and promote solutions to Caribbean development problems in areas such as medicine and public health, economics and economic growth, cultural identity and cultural industries, and other 21st century orientations in Caribbean transformation.
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20 million pound Caribbean Reparations Agreement signed (Original Post) Recursion Aug 2019 OP
This is smart. I support reparations in formats that Drahthaardogs Aug 2019 #1
Not everyone in Jamaica or elsewhere agree malaise Aug 2019 #3
Not everyone in Jamaica or elsewhere agree malaise Aug 2019 #4
Everyone wants a big check Drahthaardogs Aug 2019 #5
There is a vast difference between 'essentially indentured servants' malaise Aug 2019 #6
But why should I pay? Drahthaardogs Aug 2019 #7
Sorry, part of my family in Italy came here then, you and you are wrong obamanut2012 Aug 2019 #8
And none of those things happened to ANYONE alive today Drahthaardogs Aug 2019 #9
Overdue... HipChick Aug 2019 #2

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
1. This is smart. I support reparations in formats that
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 10:33 AM
Aug 2019

Invest in education and development of black communities. I do not support cash giveaways.

malaise

(269,056 posts)
3. Not everyone in Jamaica or elsewhere agree
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 10:38 AM
Aug 2019

Their argument is that the descendants of many victims of slavery will receive nothing from this since they will never make it to UWI.

malaise

(269,056 posts)
4. Not everyone in Jamaica or elsewhere agree
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 10:38 AM
Aug 2019

Their argument is that the descendants of many victims of slavery will receive nothing from this since they will never make it to UWI.

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
5. Everyone wants a big check
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 12:09 PM
Aug 2019

It doesn't mean it's the right thing to do. My ancestors are from Italy and came here in the 1910's. They were essentially indentured servants in the coal mine who got paid in script. I feel no obligation to pay cash to others ancestors who were slaves. I do support infusions of cash into education, infrastructure, job training, etc. to repair the hardships brought upon by Jim Crow laws etc.

malaise

(269,056 posts)
6. There is a vast difference between 'essentially indentured servants'
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 12:15 PM
Aug 2019

and centuries of enslavement. Please spare me. Reparations are long overdue.

I too support infusions of cash into education, infrastructure, job training, etc. for slavery and neo-slavery in its various forms, but not everyone here agrees.

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
7. But why should I pay?
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 12:18 PM
Aug 2019

It's not my history. Just for the record, the largest mass lynching in America was perpetrated against Sicilian immigrants and Roosevelt called it "a good thing". So spare yourself.

obamanut2012

(26,080 posts)
8. Sorry, part of my family in Italy came here then, you and you are wrong
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 01:03 PM
Aug 2019

They came freely, and were not slaves. It doesn't matter how much the coal owners sucked. They were not stolen from Italy and Sicily, separated from their families, crammed into ships in irons, the dead tossed overboard, the live tossed overboard if the food ran low, the women raped. They were not "seasoned" in the Caribbean. They were not stripped and sold at auction. They were not enslaved as chattel, forced to "breed" with other slaves, raped, beaten, killed on whim. They were not kept down until the Civil Rights Movement, redlined, ghettoed, etc. A lot of this is still happening.

None of my family from Naples had any of this happen to them. Their children had at least a high school education, many of their kids went to war, had good union jobs, bought houses and cars and sent their kids to college. Many of the people who came from Italy during the 1910s lived to see their kids, grandkids, and great-grandkids thrive. Because they were white. Because, after the first generation, they were considered Americans. And because they were never chattel.

Your lack of understanding and empathy is appalling.

Black Americans whose ancestors came here as slaves deserve direct funding ins some way. Then, after them, women do, and that includes black women.

on edit: I am not debating these basic human rights with anyone who disagrees with me. You are wrong.

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
9. And none of those things happened to ANYONE alive today
Sun Aug 18, 2019, 03:11 PM
Aug 2019

However, the lingering effects of racism do effect people today. As such, I all for institutionalized support of colleges, communities, and organizations. I am all for building up the society, much like ANILCA did. I will not support cash payments to individuals. It fixes nothing. One generation benefits and the next receives nothing.

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