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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhat grade would you give the House and Senate ?
What grade would you give them separately and combined?
Why?
Personally, I would give them both low grades for being unable to communicate.
I would definitely give the Senate an "F".
rampartc
(5,437 posts)house no better than d. they have screwed around for the better part of a year and still no impeachment hearings? when they can enforce subpoenas and require reasonable sounding answers at hearings I might consider higher.
Brother Buzz
(36,466 posts)For both chambers, but for very different reasons.
N_E_1 for Tennis
(9,781 posts)for their crimes...until this farce is over and properly punished by congress...that institution is a miserable, dishonest, lying failure. All of them.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)I cannot begin to understand how you can believe that our house Democrats are "unable to communicate" with Republicans, and vice versa.
Last November McConnell promised many groups that he would block house Democrats at every juncture. Just as he promised and did during Obama's era, even though he and his fellow Republicans betrayed and smashed every principle of democratic government in doing so.
To put it mildly, I have the greatest contempt for those who spread false equivalences in the media, and respect for those who believe and consequently spread their poison further is impossible.
kentuck
(111,110 posts)A ??
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)to equate congressional Democrats with Republicans.
kentuck
(111,110 posts)Hmmmmm. You sound a bit disingenuous.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)But, here, to help me understand where you're coming from, feel free to explain how senate Democrats' response in this situation justifies giving them an F:
kentuck
(111,110 posts)Who said anything about giving Senate Democrats an "F" ??
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)"unable to communicate" their opposition to senate Republicans voting on a lifetime appointment for Justice Kavanaugh without proper investigation into the many charges brought up in hearing?
kentuck
(111,110 posts)That Democrats and Republicans are not communicating.
In my opinion, the blame must be shared in that regard.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)both sides were communicating. They actually communicated very effectively behind closed doors, in hearings and in public.
But apparently you feel the Democratic senators did such a poor job in producing evidence of probable criminal wrongdoing by Kavanaugh and objecting to over 100,000 documents on Kavanaugh being hidden by the Republicans that their poor communication caused Kavanaugh to be nominated. Equal F's for all.
Including this poor communicator, who just can't ever seem to get her point across.
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kentuck
(111,110 posts)You are picking out one issue to define the entire situation in the House and Senate. It's nothing but a diversion. We all know you are a loyal Democrat. You don't have to prove it.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)of Democrats and Republicans.
Enormous differences exist between our party leaderships on every possible issue, and none of them are failures of communication.
But since you didn't like that last example, how about trying another one: You can choose just one category, ANY category. And then choose just one issue, ANY issue, within that category. For instance, how about national defense, issue Russia?
WaPo: McConnell Defends Blocking Election Security Bill, Rejects Criticism He is Aiding Russia
You can pass on this if you like, or we can do it differently. You go find something that shows senate Democrats were "unable to communicate" why we need to pass the Election Security Bill and why both parties deserve F's for a bipartisan knee-grab for Putin.
If you prefer, though, pick another category and issue. ANY issue.
AP Explains: Congress fight over election security bills: ... Democrats have tried to pass several election security bills in recent weeks only to have them blocked by Republicans, who say they are partisan or unnecessary. The federal government has stepped up its efforts to secure elections since Russians intervened in the 2016 presidential election, but Democrats say much more is needed, given ongoing threats from Russia and other countries. (SOUNDS like they were communicating with each other to me...)
Intelligencer -- Russian Election Hacking in 2020 Could Easily Be Much Worse Than 2016
Wired - Russia Is Going to Up Its Game for the 2020 Elections
I believe we are in a declared cyberwar, said Michael Bayer, a longtime Pentagon adviser who led a recent review of Navy cybersecurity. It is aimed at the whole of society and the state. I believe we are losing that war.
kentuck
(111,110 posts)But, that is just your opinion. Everyone is entitled to one.
(on edit)
I would add that "failure to communicate" would not be the only criteria to grade them on. The Senate still gets an "F".
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)As for your point of view, you have hoards of support among those who work to elect Republicans, from Russia, and from the anti-Democrat left, and from many of the feckless 40% who didn't bother to vote in 2016. You don't need mine.
kentuck
(111,110 posts)"?? !"
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)been mistaken in you. My fault. I tend to forget that not everyone was an adult before the right became so extreme that they were forced to give up pretense that they served the people and switched their most productive messages to "the Democrats are just as bad" and "the Democrats did it, not us."
We know that not everyone can withstand the Chuck Todd-type message that comes at us from all directions. Joe Scar and team are so charming and knowledgeable, who could deny their wisdom?
Sleep well.
kentuck
(111,110 posts)Nobody said that "the Democrats are just as bad" as the Republicans. Certainly not I. I do think they are both failing to communicate with each other in any way. I would bet money that Chuck Schumer has not had a dialogue with Mitch McConnell. Yes, we can say it was all Mitch McConnell's fault but it takes two to tango. That is my point about both Parties get low grades for "failure to communicate".
I hope that clarifies the point somewhat. I will continue to criticize the Democrats when I think they deserve criticism. I do not worship a Party or a Leader.
grumpyduck
(6,262 posts)D for the House and F for the Senate.
The OP asked for grades for the chambers, not for individuals.
maxsolomon
(33,400 posts)I want Impeachment Investigations to move faster, and I want more Conservadems to find their courage.
I have no illusions that legislation is possible as long as McConnell has control in the Senate.
The Senate gets an F- for the Republikkk clowns it contains: Graham, Cruz, Cotton. Fuck the GOP.
spanone
(135,880 posts)House B
Senate F-
nevergiveup
(4,764 posts)House Democrats....A-
Senate Republicans....Red Card meaning Expulsion
House Republicans.....F+
LakeArenal
(28,845 posts)Congress does get an A for effort.
Thats it for me.
Senate? Off the abysmal chart.