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hlthe2b

(102,297 posts)
1. Start here: Trump is pushing a fake scandal once again. Don't buy it.
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 09:35 PM
Sep 2019

You should read the entire article, but I included some clips.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/09/25/trump-is-pushing-fake-scandal-once-again-dont-buy-it/

First, there never was an investigation into Joe Biden or his son in Ukraine. It simply never happened. It’s a figment of Trump’s imagination, a fever dream that he hopes will distract from the reality of his all-too-real scandal — a scandal that threatens to destroy his presidency.

Second, when then-vice president Biden got involved in Ukrainian politics during the Obama years, he did pressure the Ukrainian government to fire a prosecutor named Viktor Shokin, not to protect Biden’s son, but because Shokin was notoriously corrupt. As part of official U.S. government policy — and in lockstep with America’s European allies, the International Monetary Fund and democratic reformers — Biden pressured the Ukrainian government to replace a crooked and ineffective general prosecutor with someone who would actually crack down on shady business dealings. In short, Biden did exactly the opposite of what Trump claims; he worked to clean up Ukraine and create more aggressive prosecution of any impropriety, not get his hands dirty for his son.

The real scandal — the one that is backed up by actual facts and evidence — is extraordinarily damning and doesn’t involve Biden at all. Trump allegedly used nearly $400 million of military aid to Ukraine — aid that was deemed a core national security priority of the United States — as leverage to extort the Ukrainian government into concocting phony political dirt on Biden. Trump used U.S. national security as a bargaining chip for personal political gain. By comparison, the Watergate burglars seem like teenage shoplifters.

DeminPennswoods

(15,286 posts)
17. It's hard to simplify, unfortunately
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 07:22 AM
Sep 2019

It seems Hunter's been trying to get his life together for awhile between rehab and relapses of his substance abuse problems. If you are talking to relatives and have someone in your family who is dealing with substance abuse issues, that might make the most relatable comparison.

JI7

(89,252 posts)
2. Trump tried to get Ukraine to lie and maybe up something about Bidens
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 09:35 PM
Sep 2019

in order to hurt Bidens election chances and in turn help him(trump).

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
9. "No matter what they did" or didn't do when they did NOTHING is like damning with faint praise. The
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 11:44 PM
Sep 2019

OP asks for Biden background. Trump is corrupt, allegedly committed an impeachable offense AND
lied about the Bidens.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
10. Unfortunately, we here at DU will not be the millions judging Biden. That's reality.
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 11:48 PM
Sep 2019

Most people aren’t going to look past the fact his son did profit from Ukraine work and Biden supported removing Ukrainian prosecutor, even though it had nothing to do with his son.

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
11. Millions won't believe Trump is guilty either. You need not concede to those millions in your
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 11:59 PM
Sep 2019

statement.

Cha

(297,323 posts)
15. Exactly, emmaverybo! It's important how to frame the truth..
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 06:11 AM
Sep 2019
“I think it’s very clear that the president is very afraid of Joe,” said Sen. Mazie Hirono (D-Hawaii). “And so he’s going after Joe and his family for political purposes and I’ll stand with Joe against any president who acts that way.”

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287293997

**BREAKING ** Former Ukraine prosecutor says Hunter Biden 'did not violate anything'

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287293616

Cha

(297,323 posts)
14. **BREAKING ** Former Ukraine prosecutor says Hunter Biden 'did not violate anything"
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 06:08 AM
Sep 2019
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287293616

“I think it’s very clear that the president is very afraid of Joe,” said Sen. Mazie Hirono (D-Hawaii). “And so he’s going after Joe and his family for political purposes and I’ll stand with Joe against any president who acts that way.”

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287293997

trump is the one in Trouble.. We can't allow his lawlessness to go Unaccountable.



TheFarseer

(9,323 posts)
16. It looks to me
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 07:15 AM
Sep 2019

That Hunter Biden and other familiar names like a top Romney adviser and the former president of Poland were placed on the board to convince the West to leave the company alone. I think that’s the worst of what happened.

Celerity

(43,419 posts)
7. these articles destroy the anti-Biden bullshit
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 09:51 PM
Sep 2019
Reporters Should Stop Helping Donald Trump Spread Lies About Joe Biden and Ukraine

https://theintercept.com/2019/09/22/reporters-stop-helping-donald-trump-spread-lies-joe-biden-ukraine/

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP appears increasingly desperate to deflect questions about the flagrant abuse of power he seems to have committed this summer by withholding aid to Ukraine as he pressed that country’s new president to open an investigation into the false claim that Joe Biden abused his power as vice president to protect his son’s business interests in Ukraine in 2015.

Since the news broke that Trump repeatedly pressed his Ukrainian counterpart, Volodymyr Zelensky, to open an investigation into Biden, while delaying $250 million in military aid to Ukraine, the president has urged reporters again and again to look instead at the viral conspiracy theory that the former vice president had admitted on camera that he blackmailed Ukraine’s former president.

In fact, as a detailed review of the evidence conducted by The Intercept in May showed, Biden’s intervention in Ukrainian affairs that year, when he successfully pressed Ukraine’s then-president to dismiss a chief prosecutor who had failed to pursue corruption investigations, was no secret and was widely praised by Ukrainian anti-corruption activists and international donors to the country.

The reason there is footage of Biden boasting about this intervention on stage at a public event in 2018 is that he knew he had nothing to hide. Put simply, there is no evidence to support the conspiracy theory that Trump and his personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani want Ukraine to validate by opening an investigation. Still, it has become an article of faith among Trump supporters that Biden got the chief prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, dismissed to derail a corruption investigation of a Ukrainian firm his son was paid to advise.

But journalists at leading American news organizations — including CNN, the New York Times, Politico, ABC News, and MSNBC — have helped weaponize this disinformation by repeating the baseless smear over and over, without promptly and accurately conveying that Trump and Giuliani are lying about what the former vice president did in Ukraine. So lies and misinformation have been broadcast nationwide, reaching millions of people who will never read subsequent fact checks debunking them.

snip




the original article from May that destroys the anti-Biden rot :


A Republican Conspiracy Theory About a Biden-in-Ukraine Scandal Has Gone Mainstream. But It Is Not True.

https://theintercept.com/2019/05/10/rumors-joe-biden-scandal-ukraine-absolute-nonsense-reformer-says/

LiberalFighter

(50,950 posts)
8. The Cliff Notes version
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 10:35 PM
Sep 2019

The corruption happened two years before Biden was on the board.
The prosecutor at the time was not investigating corruption. The members of the EU and others, including Joe Biden were pushing for Ukraine to have a prosecutor that would do their job.

NCLefty

(3,678 posts)
13. Hunter hunter and hunter who?
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 05:49 AM
Sep 2019

No indictment, no case.

Ukraine seems to have been as annoyed by this shakedown as anything.

#nothingburger

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