His trumper friends all piled on, high-fiving & rubbing it in to the "snowflakes." Finally someone posted, "Not for long," along with a pic of an avalanche. I'll have to revisit & see if it turned into a food fight.

They can go on and on all they want. He only needs to repeat that sentence. Or variations of it, such as he sold your loyalty to Ukraine for personal gain, or if they’re in the military or have family in the military tell them he sold our military out when he chose to be a traitor.

I do like your friends response though!

"It's a metaphor for raping it."

Trump in a nutshell.

Some of these people believe the guy was sent here literally by God himself to save the country. They aren't going to believe that their savior is a traitor. Besides, they justify everything he says and does because of the end result. He's packing the courts, he's making the "right" people miserable, etc.

You're expecting rational debate to get through to completely irrational people. If rational was going to get through to these people, it would have done so long, long ago. This is unlikely to change anything for most of them, particularly the ones who are only getting parts of the story spoon-fed to them by right-wing media.

Just say “He’s a traitor” and nothing else. No matter what crazed thing they say just respond with that. Period. It’s the fundamental truth. It’s a fact.

There will be a hell of a lot more that comes to light that will simply add to that fact.

His entire presidency has been under the shadow of Putin. Anyone who has paid attention knows that the guy's loyalties aren't to the United States, starting with the fact that everyone around him has links to Russia.

My point is that calling him a traitor isn't likely going to change the minds of the ~85% of Republicans who are diehards. That fact has basically been public knowledge as long as we've known about all of the Russian connections, and they don't care. They think it's all one big conspiracy, and this is unlikely to change that.

They're more likely to dig in and double down on the denial and the deep state.

We will transfer the frustration to them.

It’s always been their game, and trying to reason with them has been extremely painful for us because all they’ve done is jeer and mock us.

We can turn the tables on them.

Psychological victories are as important as any other kind of victory.