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mysteryowl

(7,390 posts)
Sat Sep 28, 2019, 10:10 AM Sep 2019

Dan Coats, Director of national intelligence, fired 3 days after the Ukrainian phone call.

Three days after his now infamous phone conversation with Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskiy, Donald Trump abruptly fired his director of national intelligence in favour of an inexperienced political loyalist.

According to a New York Times report, the White House learned within days that the unorthodox call on 25 July with Zelenskiy had raised red flags among intelligence professionals and was likely to trigger an official complaint.

That timeline has raised new questions over the timing of the Trump’s dismissal by tweet of the director of national intelligence (DNI), Dan Coats, on 28 July and his insistence that the deputy DNI, Sue Gordon, a career intelligence professional, did not step into the role, even in an acting capacity.


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/sep/27/dan-coats-dni-trump-firing-ukraine

And, the director was fired via tweet!

Posted for those of us that did not know about this, as I did not.
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Dan Coats, Director of national intelligence, fired 3 days after the Ukrainian phone call. (Original Post) mysteryowl Sep 2019 OP
Let's get them to testify leftieNanner Sep 2019 #1
This seems to be leading to Gordon or Coats as the True Blue American Sep 2019 #2
Or maybe he just wanted to make sure the DNI in place was someone he could trust to tblue37 Sep 2019 #6
I thought he was already identified as CIA. triron Sep 2019 #7
Yeah, but wouldn't Coats have been an actual witness to much of what happened? Ligyron Sep 2019 #15
In my link True Blue American Sep 2019 #16
Thanks! Ligyron Sep 2019 #18
Coats may not have seen the final WB report, but... Fiendish Thingy Sep 2019 #19
the three stooges... SleeplessinSoCal Sep 2019 #23
or sleepy eye balls not fooled Sep 2019 #28
Obstruction? Buckeyeblue Sep 2019 #3
Yep, they knew he stepped into it again uponit7771 Sep 2019 #5
Everybody expected Sue Gordon to take over... kentuck Sep 2019 #4
Coats went to a meeting and told her to get out. True Blue American Sep 2019 #9
Great journalism and good catch, mysteryowl. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2019 #8
At this point, it's just common sense rainin Sep 2019 #10
Exactly. volstork Sep 2019 #11
Bankruptcy was probably the plan. rainin Sep 2019 #12
Sounds like something that weasel would do. calimary Sep 2019 #21
It's the same thing in vulture capitalism lunatica Sep 2019 #34
Borrow lots of money. Over leveraged bets can bankrupt even a casino. nt Lucky Luciano Sep 2019 #13
No matter what Barr True Blue American Sep 2019 #17
We need to keep reminding Trumpanzees of this! slumcamper Sep 2019 #22
PLEASE QUIT SUGGESTING NAMES. TNNurse Sep 2019 #14
Huh? You must have misread the article mysteryowl Sep 2019 #26
"Trolls" are able to read the Guardian essme Sep 2019 #33
And the new guy did Trump's bidding lame54 Sep 2019 #20
Coates sure dodged being in the hot seat Captain Zero Sep 2019 #25
Trump usually fires people by tweet.... SergeStorms Sep 2019 #24
I thought Coats and Gordon resigned.. choie Sep 2019 #27
"What was weird was the president's forcefulness in not wanting Sue Gordon to take over" IronLionZion Sep 2019 #29
... Lucinda Sep 2019 #30
DU poll from 9/24. Coats is the whistleblower: 61% Yes, 39% No. Marcuse Sep 2019 #31
veddy interesting NJCher Sep 2019 #32
Coats the Whistleblower? Thrill Sep 2019 #35

tblue37

(65,408 posts)
6. Or maybe he just wanted to make sure the DNI in place was someone he could trust to
Sat Sep 28, 2019, 10:34 AM
Sep 2019

run interference, as the acting DNI actually did try to do when he sent the complaint to the WH & the DOJ instead of to Schiff's committee as required by law.

Ligyron

(7,633 posts)
15. Yeah, but wouldn't Coats have been an actual witness to much of what happened?
Sat Sep 28, 2019, 11:26 AM
Sep 2019

The whistleblower cites multiple officials, and not themselves as witnesses.

IDK...

Fiendish Thingy

(15,624 posts)
19. Coats may not have seen the final WB report, but...
Sat Sep 28, 2019, 11:44 AM
Sep 2019

He may have been in the room during the July 25 call, and knew first hand of the use of the secret server.

Coats and Gordon are critical impeachment witnesses, and may be beyond any claims of privilege since they no longer work for the executive branch.

BTW, what is the penalty for violating executive privilege, other than losing your job? There's no criminal statute that I am aware of, only disbarment if it's attorney client privilege.

rainin

(3,011 posts)
10. At this point, it's just common sense
Sat Sep 28, 2019, 11:01 AM
Sep 2019

that whoever accepts a leadership position in the trump administration is either compromised, nefarious, or both. Someone with integrity wouldn't throw away their reputation for him.

volstork

(5,402 posts)
11. Exactly.
Sat Sep 28, 2019, 11:06 AM
Sep 2019

He poisons everything he touches. FFS, he bankrupted a CASINO!! How do you even do that?

rainin

(3,011 posts)
12. Bankruptcy was probably the plan.
Sat Sep 28, 2019, 11:12 AM
Sep 2019

Buy on borrowed money. Extract huge sums of wealth through management fees and other means. Declare bankruptcy and be relieved of the debt. It's a strategy.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
34. It's the same thing in vulture capitalism
Sun Sep 29, 2019, 12:10 PM
Sep 2019

A favorite “business” practice of Mitt Romney and his buddies.

Enter a good company as consultants at exorbitant fees, do some so-called studies where they find a so-called problem which they just happen to specialize in and then proceed to charge the company millions of dollars and bankrupt the company. If they think they can get more out of the company they buy it at a lower price, but usually what they do is leave the company with millions for themselves and the company in the process of laying off all their employees and failing because they can’t pay the debts they’re left with. The other result is the employees are clean out of luck.

This vulture capitalism has ruined entire towns in many states, leaving them permanently ruined, because a lot of towns are one company towns.

True Blue American

(17,986 posts)
17. No matter what Barr
Sat Sep 28, 2019, 11:32 AM
Sep 2019

Does now, his name and reputation will not be good.

And, to think his Daughter and SIL went to work for Trump.

TNNurse

(6,927 posts)
14. PLEASE QUIT SUGGESTING NAMES.
Sat Sep 28, 2019, 11:23 AM
Sep 2019

It does not matter who and you are putting their life in danger by identifying.
You know there are trolls on here.

Please protect the life of the person who may get him out of our lives.

mysteryowl

(7,390 posts)
26. Huh? You must have misread the article
Sat Sep 28, 2019, 01:11 PM
Sep 2019

There is no "name suggestion" about anything.
You must have commented on the incorrect thread.

Captain Zero

(6,811 posts)
25. Coates sure dodged being in the hot seat
Sat Sep 28, 2019, 01:01 PM
Sep 2019

When it all came down, didn't he? Trump had been getting edgy about having Coates around for quite a while. As I recall. I haven't read the guardian article yet. In the hearing McGrath mentioned Coates impeccable timing at being gone just before the WB complaint arrived.

SergeStorms

(19,204 posts)
24. Trump usually fires people by tweet....
Sat Sep 28, 2019, 12:56 PM
Sep 2019

or through subordinates. He's a gutless coward who doesn't have the balls to do anything like that in person.

"Only the best people", in Trumpese means, "only people who will do my bidding, and won't let silly things like laws and propriety get in the way of making me look good".

Trump is the biggest con-man and coward to ever throw his hat into the political arena. He's a despicable adolescent with none of the good qualities human beings usually possess.

IronLionZion

(45,458 posts)
29. "What was weird was the president's forcefulness in not wanting Sue Gordon to take over"
Sat Sep 28, 2019, 11:46 PM
Sep 2019

She probably knows some dirty secrets and can testify against him

Marcuse

(7,488 posts)
31. DU poll from 9/24. Coats is the whistleblower: 61% Yes, 39% No.
Sun Sep 29, 2019, 01:44 AM
Sep 2019
[div class="excerpt"Is Dan Coats the whistleblower?

July 16, 2018:
Trump announces to the world that he believes Vladimir Putin and not Dan Coats with regard to Russian interference.

July 25, 2019:
Trump partakes in the now controversial phone call with the new president of the Ukraine, Volodymyr Zelensky

July 28, 2019:
Trump announces that Dan Coats will be leaving his role as director of national intelligence

August 12, 2019:
The whistleblower files a complaint with the intelligence community inspector general

August 15, 2019:
Dan Coates burst into a classified meeting and urged the woman next in line for his job, Deputy Director of National Intelligence Sue Gordon, to resign. They both left their jobs three days after the complaint was filed.

44 votes, 2 passes | Time left: Unlimited
Coats is the whistleblower
27 (61%)
Coats is not the whistleblower
17 (39%)
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