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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums'He conned us from day one': Giuliani's Ukraine ally leaves trail of South Florida debts
From left to right: Igor Fruman, Lev Parnas, President Donald Trump and Rudy Giuliani.
He said the Ukrainians were upset because we were a dangling participle and we needed to make a deal to make them go away, Diane Pues recounted in a recent interview. He said we no longer knew who we were dealing with and that the Ukrainians had ties all the way up to the State Department and the White House and they were partners with Rudy Giuliani.
Working with Giuliani, the White House and the State Department was no idle boast.
...The Ukrainians are two South Florida businessmen named Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman who have recently become major Republican donors and couriers of what they say is explosive information sourced from Ukraine about widespread corruption involving Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, American diplomats and Ukrainian officials. The exploits of Parnas and Fruman have caught the admiring eye of President Donald Trump, as well as right-wing pundits and politicians who are amplifying their material. A government whistleblower complaint one that led House Democrats last week to open an impeachment inquiry into Trump cited media reports detailing Parnas and Frumans work introducing Giuliani to Ukrainian officials....
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/article235626327.html
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)The implications for Trump and Giuliani in being mixed up with Parnas and Fruman are not good.
Grins
(7,218 posts)BootinUp
(47,165 posts)Miguelito Loveless
(4,465 posts)It's right there in the name of the company, how much more obvious can they be?
neohippie
(1,142 posts)Somebody needs to follow the money behind these two, my guess is that it leads back to the Russian mob and the people who helped get Trump elected now they are trying to throw more distractions and disinformation into the investigations
mia
(8,361 posts)More than half of the proceeds from the $3 million loan appear to have been used to pay off a prior bank mortgage on Frumans condo, with the remaining $1.2 million wired from a Miami lawyers trust account to a corporate entity controlled by Parnas called Aaron Investments I.
Wire transfer records show $325,000 was then wired from Aaron Investments I to America First Action, the Trump PAC.
Four days after that donation, Parnas posted a photo of himself and Fruman at an intimate Power Breakfast!!! with Donald Trump Jr. at the Beverly Hills Polo Lounge.
https://www.apnews.com/79ea79b925d141b8b558706c44f0d77c
rickyhall
(4,889 posts)Johnny2X2X
(19,066 posts)Trump only does business with criminals. He does not trust honest business people because he thinks they'll turn him in for corruption.
Leghorn21
(13,524 posts)Good info!!
mia
(8,361 posts)Glad to have you and other DUers responding to the info in this article. Thank you!
salin
(48,955 posts)Not as in baseball - but as in the faked intel source stovepiped to Team Cheney's efforts to cook a narrative as an excuse to invade Iraq.
catbyte
(34,402 posts)urgent need to take a shower.
Perseus
(4,341 posts)Now, I understand that for Hunter Biden being able to collect $50,000.00 a month salary was a great opportunity, but I also think Joe Biden should have had the foresight to know this would bring a lot of problems, as it has. Why didn't he advise his son against it?
Another question, in what capacity did Hunter Biden work at that company? Did he have the resume for a $50,000.00/month salary? I will research it, I really do not have an answer for either question. All I know is that it has been used by republicans as Joe Biden should have known it would be used.
If you are in politics, and if you intend to run for president some day, you have to walk a very careful road to make sure you avoid doing or saying anything that can be used by your opponents because if you know republicans, they will use against you even wearing a tan suite, no matter that one of them did too.
patphil
(6,182 posts)Bursima Holdings was already in trouble when he got there.
His father was instrumental in getting the Ukraine government to replace the government prosecutor who wasn't doing his job to investigate that companies corruption.
Hunter Biden's job may have been to confirm the situation as fuel for the US government's decision to pressure the Ukraine to clean up its act.
This is just a guess on my part; nothing to back it up.
Ilsa
(61,695 posts)Ukrainizn passports? Or maybe just ethnic Russians that lived in Crimea and were hoping for the takeover and reintegration of Ukraine back into Russia.
mia
(8,361 posts)from Belarus following the fall of the Iron Curtain."
https://www.apnews.com/79ea79b925d141b8b558706c44f0d77c
dalton99a
(81,515 posts)of criminals
patphil
(6,182 posts)This whole thing is getting "curiouser and curiouser" (Alice from the Lewis Carroll books). It's going right on down the rabbit hole.
The article reminds me of Daniel Hopsicker's "Mad Cow Morning News" site.
https://www.madcowprod.com/
If you haven't read his work, there is a whole lot of amazing stuff there.
Patrick Phillips
awesomerwb1
(4,268 posts)He has that look of "wait, we agreed no pictures"....
Duppers
(28,125 posts)Involved in?
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,349 posts)ewagner
(18,964 posts)First article that makes sense of the Giuliani mess...
Rocky888
(297 posts)RICK SCOTT.
onethatcares
(16,172 posts)or three, but this is just personal opinion, scott, rubio, gaetz.
but what would I know?