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mia

(8,361 posts)
Tue Oct 1, 2019, 08:33 AM Oct 2019

'He conned us from day one': Giuliani's Ukraine ally leaves trail of South Florida debts


From left to right: Igor Fruman, Lev Parnas, President Donald Trump and Rudy Giuliani.


Over the summer, Dianne and Michael Pues got an ominous phone call from the business partner of a Ukrainian-American entrepreneur who owes the couple more than $500,000 over a movie deal gone bad.

“He said the Ukrainians were upset because we were ‘a dangling participle’ and we needed to make a deal to make them go away,” Diane Pues recounted in a recent interview. “He said we no longer knew who we were dealing with and that the Ukrainians had ties all the way up to the State Department and the White House and they were partners with Rudy Giuliani.”

Working with Giuliani, the White House and the State Department was no idle boast.

...The “Ukrainians” are two South Florida businessmen named Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman who have recently become major Republican donors — and couriers of what they say is explosive information sourced from Ukraine about widespread corruption involving Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, American diplomats and Ukrainian officials. The exploits of Parnas and Fruman have caught the admiring eye of President Donald Trump, as well as right-wing pundits and politicians who are amplifying their material. A government whistleblower complaint — one that led House Democrats last week to open an impeachment inquiry into Trump — cited media reports detailing Parnas and Fruman’s work introducing Giuliani to Ukrainian officials....


https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/article235626327.html


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'He conned us from day one': Giuliani's Ukraine ally leaves trail of South Florida debts (Original Post) mia Oct 2019 OP
This story in the Miami Herald was written by two Pulitzer Prize winners gratuitous Oct 2019 #1
And the same paper that brought down Epstein! Grins Oct 2019 #29
Suckers. Nt BootinUp Oct 2019 #2
Wait, the name of his company was "Fraud Guarantee"? Miguelito Loveless Oct 2019 #3
I wonder where these two get their money from neohippie Oct 2019 #4
"... records and deed filings in Florida reviewed by The Associated Press show the money mia Oct 2019 #16
Con Artist! shrug... rickyhall Oct 2019 #5
Mobsters, all of them Johnny2X2X Oct 2019 #6
+1 dalton99a Oct 2019 #15
Thanks, mia, thanks, Miami Herald!! Leghorn21 Oct 2019 #7
You're welcome, Leghorn21. mia Oct 2019 #9
Team Trump's Curveball? salin Oct 2019 #8
Geez. Every time I read something about that thing infesting the White House, I feel an catbyte Oct 2019 #10
Yeap, those two qualify as friends of Giuliani and the creature, "nothing but the best" Perseus Oct 2019 #11
Is it possible Hunter Biden was a plant to get inside information as to what was going on there? patphil Oct 2019 #20
"Ukrainians?" Or Russians with Ilsa Oct 2019 #12
"Parnas, 47, came to U.S. from Russia as a young child, while Fruman, 53, made his way to Miami mia Oct 2019 #13
Thanks. nt Ilsa Oct 2019 #24
A fine looking bunch dalton99a Oct 2019 #14
The Miami Herald does good work patphil Oct 2019 #17
Jr doesn't look very comfortable having his pic taken awesomerwb1 Oct 2019 #18
How many layers of crime are the cons Duppers Oct 2019 #19
it's turtles, er, um mobsters all the way down Hermit-The-Prog Oct 2019 #27
Kick for visibility... ewagner Oct 2019 #21
All corruption in Florida goes through one man. Rocky888 Oct 2019 #22
it might be two men onethatcares Oct 2019 #25
You are probably correct. Rocky888 Oct 2019 #28
This piece is a fine example of why I started subscribing to the Miami Herald. eom Mersky Oct 2019 #23
Trump is influence peddling for the fabrication of a smear of Biden. Thomas Hurt Oct 2019 #26

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
1. This story in the Miami Herald was written by two Pulitzer Prize winners
Tue Oct 1, 2019, 08:40 AM
Oct 2019

The implications for Trump and Giuliani in being mixed up with Parnas and Fruman are not good.

Miguelito Loveless

(4,465 posts)
3. Wait, the name of his company was "Fraud Guarantee"?
Tue Oct 1, 2019, 08:46 AM
Oct 2019

It's right there in the name of the company, how much more obvious can they be?

neohippie

(1,142 posts)
4. I wonder where these two get their money from
Tue Oct 1, 2019, 09:13 AM
Oct 2019

Somebody needs to follow the money behind these two, my guess is that it leads back to the Russian mob and the people who helped get Trump elected now they are trying to throw more distractions and disinformation into the investigations

mia

(8,361 posts)
16. "... records and deed filings in Florida reviewed by The Associated Press show the money
Tue Oct 1, 2019, 10:12 AM
Oct 2019
for the $325,000 donation to the Trump PAC on May 17, 2018, came from the same corporate entity that two days earlier received the proceeds from a $3 million private mortgage. That loan was secured by a luxury high-rise condo unit in North Miami Beach owned by a separate corporation tied to Fruman.

More than half of the proceeds from the $3 million loan appear to have been used to pay off a prior bank mortgage on Fruman’s condo, with the remaining $1.2 million wired from a Miami lawyer’s trust account to a corporate entity controlled by Parnas called Aaron Investments I.

Wire transfer records show $325,000 was then wired from Aaron Investments I to America First Action, the Trump PAC.

Four days after that donation, Parnas posted a photo of himself and Fruman at an intimate “Power Breakfast!!!” with Donald Trump Jr. at the Beverly Hills Polo Lounge.





https://www.apnews.com/79ea79b925d141b8b558706c44f0d77c

Johnny2X2X

(19,066 posts)
6. Mobsters, all of them
Tue Oct 1, 2019, 09:36 AM
Oct 2019

Trump only does business with criminals. He does not trust honest business people because he thinks they'll turn him in for corruption.

mia

(8,361 posts)
9. You're welcome, Leghorn21.
Tue Oct 1, 2019, 09:47 AM
Oct 2019

Glad to have you and other DUers responding to the info in this article. Thank you!

salin

(48,955 posts)
8. Team Trump's Curveball?
Tue Oct 1, 2019, 09:38 AM
Oct 2019

Not as in baseball - but as in the faked intel source stovepiped to Team Cheney's efforts to cook a narrative as an excuse to invade Iraq.

catbyte

(34,402 posts)
10. Geez. Every time I read something about that thing infesting the White House, I feel an
Tue Oct 1, 2019, 09:47 AM
Oct 2019

urgent need to take a shower.

 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
11. Yeap, those two qualify as friends of Giuliani and the creature, "nothing but the best"
Tue Oct 1, 2019, 09:53 AM
Oct 2019

Now, I understand that for Hunter Biden being able to collect $50,000.00 a month salary was a great opportunity, but I also think Joe Biden should have had the foresight to know this would bring a lot of problems, as it has. Why didn't he advise his son against it?

Another question, in what capacity did Hunter Biden work at that company? Did he have the resume for a $50,000.00/month salary? I will research it, I really do not have an answer for either question. All I know is that it has been used by republicans as Joe Biden should have known it would be used.

If you are in politics, and if you intend to run for president some day, you have to walk a very careful road to make sure you avoid doing or saying anything that can be used by your opponents because if you know republicans, they will use against you even wearing a tan suite, no matter that one of them did too.

patphil

(6,182 posts)
20. Is it possible Hunter Biden was a plant to get inside information as to what was going on there?
Tue Oct 1, 2019, 10:30 AM
Oct 2019

Bursima Holdings was already in trouble when he got there.
His father was instrumental in getting the Ukraine government to replace the government prosecutor who wasn't doing his job to investigate that companies corruption.
Hunter Biden's job may have been to confirm the situation as fuel for the US government's decision to pressure the Ukraine to clean up its act.

This is just a guess on my part; nothing to back it up.

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
12. "Ukrainians?" Or Russians with
Tue Oct 1, 2019, 09:54 AM
Oct 2019

Ukrainizn passports? Or maybe just ethnic Russians that lived in Crimea and were hoping for the takeover and reintegration of Ukraine back into Russia.

mia

(8,361 posts)
13. "Parnas, 47, came to U.S. from Russia as a young child, while Fruman, 53, made his way to Miami
Tue Oct 1, 2019, 10:03 AM
Oct 2019

from Belarus following the fall of the Iron Curtain."

https://www.apnews.com/79ea79b925d141b8b558706c44f0d77c

patphil

(6,182 posts)
17. The Miami Herald does good work
Tue Oct 1, 2019, 10:18 AM
Oct 2019

This whole thing is getting "curiouser and curiouser" (Alice from the Lewis Carroll books). It's going right on down the rabbit hole.
The article reminds me of Daniel Hopsicker's "Mad Cow Morning News" site.

https://www.madcowprod.com/

If you haven't read his work, there is a whole lot of amazing stuff there.

Patrick Phillips

awesomerwb1

(4,268 posts)
18. Jr doesn't look very comfortable having his pic taken
Tue Oct 1, 2019, 10:20 AM
Oct 2019

He has that look of "wait, we agreed no pictures"....

onethatcares

(16,172 posts)
25. it might be two men
Tue Oct 1, 2019, 12:56 PM
Oct 2019

or three, but this is just personal opinion, scott, rubio, gaetz.

but what would I know?

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